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What the hell is SCSI ???

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Name: NEO123
Date: July 8, 2004 at 07:16:05 Pacific
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Hi. I have been looking on ebay as a rough guide to what fast hard drives are available. There are a lot of SCSI drives 15000 rpm and stuff. I Dont think i have a scsi port so is there any way to use one with my computer I.E. Maybe an internal expansion card ???????
Please Help Because I am considering buying one.

Also would this work well if I got one and used it for The Windows Operating System only and no personal files on it (Programs etc.)

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Name: RockyBalboa
Date: July 8, 2004 at 07:35:15 Pacific
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SCSI is just another type of hard drive interface such as IDE and SATA, you can buy pci SCSI cards, i dont really know much about scsi other than SATA 2 is coming out and it will end SCSIs reign

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Response Number 2
Name: name
Date: July 8, 2004 at 07:38:57 Pacific
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Google gives 9,480,000 hits upon typing in SCSI.


http://www.scsilibrary.com/


is just one of them.


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Response Number 3
Name: johnoh
Date: July 8, 2004 at 08:20:29 Pacific
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Two IDE drives of 7200rpm each, set up to run mirrored (raid0) will give you performance as fast as scsi at a much better price per GB.


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Response Number 4
Name: NEO123
Date: July 8, 2004 at 10:33:09 Pacific
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Ok man thanks. But wtf? I never heard of sata 2? I though sata was just beginning its reign?


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Response Number 5
Name: Fishystix
Date: July 8, 2004 at 10:49:41 Pacific
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OMG did I just waste $90 on a standard SATA drive for a new interface? AHHHHHHH!!!


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Response Number 6
Name: egkenny
Date: July 8, 2004 at 18:02:48 Pacific
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Fishystix said:
> OMG did I just waste $90 on a standard SATA
> drive for a new interface? AHHHHHHH!!!

Current SATA drives were rated at SATA/150 but were never much faster than the old ATA/100 and ATA/133 drives. The only exception was the WDC Raptors which were only faster because they were 10,000RPM instead of the usual 7200RPM.

SATA/300 has been held back because chipset and architecture limitations of current motherboards would not let then run any faster than SATA/150 drives.

With new chipsets supporting PCI Express comming out soon that barrier may about to be lifted. We will have to wait and see when SATA/300 drives come out if they are really any faster.

Even if you waited for one of the new hard drives then you would probably need a new motherboard to support it. If Intel has there way with the BTX standard then you will need a whole new computer.


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Response Number 7
Name: Janos
Date: July 8, 2004 at 21:39:55 Pacific
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How true your words re kenny !!!

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Response Number 8
Name: zorki1c
Date: July 9, 2004 at 10:06:23 Pacific
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I keep hearing SATA isn't really any faster. But if I format an 80 gig ATA 133 IDE drive it takes a while. If I format my 80 gig SATA drive it takes about as long as it takes to write this. Something certainly is faster. Only thing I don't like about SATA is the cheesy connectors which are easy to knock loose if you are fooling around in the case.


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Response Number 9
Name: NEO123
Date: July 9, 2004 at 12:54:51 Pacific
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So really? would two 7200rpm SATA drives perform aswell as a Seagate Cheetah 15000rpm SCSI ??? Also I noticed it only seems to be SCSI that have speeds more than 7200rpm, why?? And how much of a performance increase will i notice if i got a spindle speed more than 7200rpm ?? I am a 'hardcore' gamer.

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Response Number 10
Name: johnoh
Date: July 10, 2004 at 16:11:11 Pacific
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"Also I noticed it only seems to be SCSI that have speeds more than 7200rpm, why?"

Because if you put a 15k rpm drive on an ide cable you would get timing errors. That's why sata is replacing ide. That plus the sleeker cable.

"I am a 'hardcore' gamer."

The benefit of the rpms is for loading programs. So if far cry takes 20 seconds to load using a 7200rpm drive it'll take maybe 10 seconds to load using a 15k drive. The game itself will perform no differently once its started. These speeds are relevant mostly for people repreatedly reading and writing monster sized files like video editors.

"I keep hearing SATA isn't really any faster."

That is true. 7200 rpm drives can get to about 66MB/S using no cache. Think of that as ATA66. That speed is limited by the disk, not by the controller or interface. ATA66 and ATA100 and ATA133 and SATA150 and SATA300 are all about the same because they are all limited by the spinning disk.

Okay they are not always the same, because data being read from cache or written to cache does indeed travel at the max controller speed, 100 or 133 or 150 or whatever. But you do not notice that since the amount of data in cache is too small. You notice it only on the benchmark score.

Get a big 7200rpm drive with the most cache you can get. Don't worry about ide versus sata too much. But once sata prices come down ide will go away.


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