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What RAM?

Original Message
Name: blackshearfd
Date: March 26, 2008 at 13:21:25 Pacific
Subject: What RAM?
OS: Win XPpro SP2
CPU/Ram: 256 MB
Model/Manufacturer: ATI Tech/RS300-SB200
Comment:
I want to upgrade my RAM, but don't know what I need. I have been reading some of the posts and ran the SIW. Under memory I got: Bank2/3
256MB
Speed 100MHz
Data width-64 bits
Form Factor - DIMM
Total width-64bits
Bank6/7 has the same thing with a speed of 66MHz.
Is this enough info to tell me what kind of RAM that I need, or is more info needed? I am hardware illiterate, so someone please help!

Keith


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Response Number 1
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: March 26, 2008 at 13:37:22 Pacific
Subject: What RAM?
Reply: (edit)
See response 5 in this for some info about some places where you can find out what will work in your mboard for sure:
http://www.computing.net/hardware/w...
Correction to that:
Mushkin www.mushkin.com

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Response Number 2
Name: jam
Date: March 26, 2008 at 14:30:11 Pacific
Subject: What RAM?
Reply: (edit)
Post the make/model of your motherboard.

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Response Number 3
Name: blackshearfd
Date: March 26, 2008 at 14:49:23 Pacific
Subject: What RAM?
Reply: (edit)
SIW shows a model #RS300-SB200 but not a make. It shows a chipset vendor as:ATI Technologies

Keith


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Response Number 4
Name: jam
Date: March 26, 2008 at 15:53:59 Pacific
Subject: What RAM?
Reply: (edit)
RS300-SB200 is the ATI chipset used on the board, not the board model number. I know a lot of people swear by SIW, but I've been less than impressed. See if CPU-Z helps at all...download, unzip, then click on CPUZ.exe. It may take a minute or so before it displays. See what's listed under the Mainboard tab & the SPD tab:

http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php


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Response Number 5
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: March 26, 2008 at 23:16:32 Pacific
Subject: What RAM?
Reply: (edit)
blackshearfd

Most mboards with ATI chipsets the same as yours have an obvious model number.
Open up the case (the left side when you're looking at the front) and look for obvious larger printing, often between the slots or in the center of the mboard.


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Response Number 6
Name: blackshearfd
Date: March 27, 2008 at 11:52:10 Pacific
Subject: What RAM?
Reply: (edit)
Gigabyte
GA-8TRS300M
That sound right?

Keith


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Response Number 7
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: March 27, 2008 at 13:22:26 Pacific
Subject: What RAM?
Reply: (edit)
Yes, that's it.

As in the info pointed to in response 5, you use the make and model to find the ram that will work for sure.

e.g.

GA-8TRS300M
Chipset: ATI Radeon 9100 IGP
http://www.crucial.com/store/listpa...

These very similar models probably use the same ram, but to make sure you would need to look up the difference between GA-8TRS300M and GA-8TRS350M on the Gigabyte web site.
e.g. if they are the same chipset except for the onboard graphics part of the chipset, you can use the same ram for sure.

Similar - Gigabyte GA-8TRS350M Motherboard
Chipset: ATi RADEON 9100 Pro IGP (RS350)
http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/con...

Similar - Gigabyte GA-8TRS350M
Chipset ยป ATI Radeon 9100Pro IGP
http://www.corsair.com/configurator...

Memory Giant almost always has listings for more possible models. If they list the same modules for GA-8TRS300M and GA-8TRS350M, you can be sure ram listed for one will work in the other for sure.

Also - many of the places where you can look up ram can attempt to find the right ram automatically if the mboard you want to use the ram in is the one you access the web site with.

.......

"Under memory I got: Bank2/3
256MB
Speed 100MHz
Data width-64 bits
Form Factor - DIMM
Total width-64bits
Bank6/7 has the same thing with a speed of 66MHz. "

I don't think you quoted the right things, or you made some typos.

This mboard uses DDR ram.
The ram bus speed the mboard is set to times 2 = the speed the DDR ram runs at, max.
e.g. 100mhz x 2 = 200mhz, or 133 x 2 = 266mhz, or 166mhz x 2 = 333mhz, or 200mhz X 2 = 400mhz.
Crucial lists only the latter two (PC2700, PC3200)
None of it could possibly be 66mhz - that was probably supposed to be 166mhz.
The bios automatically runs all the ram installed at the speed and specs of the slowest module installed, maximum, if all other settings are correct.


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Response Number 8
Name: blackshearfd
Date: March 27, 2008 at 14:20:00 Pacific
Subject: What RAM?
Reply: (edit)
Thanks for the info. But, I checked again and SIW definitely says that the speed is 66MHz. I still have the window open. Maybe it made a mistake, but that is what it says.

Keith


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Response Number 9
Name: blackshearfd
Date: March 27, 2008 at 14:33:35 Pacific
Subject: What RAM?
Reply: (edit)
One more question. I found what I need on Crucial, but I don't have a lot of money to spend. Will it make any noticable difference if I add 512 MB? Or should I go ahead and get 1 gig? Also, can I just add one or the other to what I already have?

Keith


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Response Number 10
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: March 27, 2008 at 15:45:47 Pacific
Subject: What RAM?
Reply: (edit)
"....I checked again and SIW definitely says that the speed is 66MHz."

I have no idea whether you're looking at the spec for the right thing, or whether SIW is reporting it wrong.
I can't think of anything on your mboard that would use 66mhz except the AGP slot.

If you remove the AC power to the case, remove the ram, if the ram is a major brand you can probably nail down it's specs by using it's module ID string to search with on the manufacturer's web site, or on the web. If it's generic that may not be possible and we'll need more info from you.

When you place the ram in the slots, make sure it faces the right way so the notch in the bottom of the module lines up with the bump in the bottom of the slot, and that both latches at the ends of each slot are against the module. Plugging one in backwards will fry the slot and the module instantly when you attempt to boot the computer and can neither can ever work again.

"Will it make any noticable difference if I add 512 MB? "

The 512mb you have is already a decent amount.
Whether 512mb more will be noticable depends on what programs you have and what you do with your computer.
Ultimate Memory Guide
How Much Memory Do You Need? etc.
http://www.kingston.com/tools/umg/u...

"...can I just add one or the other to what I already have?"

Yes, but keep in mind all the ram will run at the specs of the slowest module.
For the same total amount of ram, you will be better off to remove the slowest one and use the larger 1gb module if you get only one, but on the other hand if you have a situation where you actually need more ram, more totqal ram running slower is better than less total ram running faster.

Your mboard supports installing matched pairs of ram so they can run in dual channel mode, but the dufference is tuiny and not noticable most of the time, so you don't need to fret about that - more ram, if you have things that benefit from that, has a lot more of an effect than whether it runs in dual channel mode or not

This mboard supports up to 4 1 gb modules but the 32 bit Windows version most people have cannot deal with more than 3 to 3.5mb of ram, so there's no point in installing more than 3gb total for 32bit OSs.
......

A tip.

Your onboard graphics are decent, but your ram has to share ram with it, and that greatly reduces the ram's max bandwidth. The bandwidth is directly related to the ram's max data transfer rate.
Using even an inexpensive graphics card instead allows the ram's bandwith to reach the max banwidth it was designed to use, e.g. in tests I did in Sysoft Sandra that was double that of when the mboard was using onboard video.
That will make a noticable difference especially when the computer is taxed more even with the same amount of ram.


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