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Name: The DaWg 0220
Date: April 13, 2003 at 14:59:18 Pacific
OS: Windows 2000 Pro SP3
CPU/Ram: Athlon 2100+ / 512 Samsu
Comment:

Alright here's the problem. I built my machine last summer here are the specs:

Athlon 2100+ w/ coolermaster HHC-001 heatsink
Asustek A7V333
512 Samsung PC2100 DDRAM
80gb IBM 7200rpm Deskstar HD
48X12X48 Sony CDRW
16X Asus DVDROM
Coolermaster ATC-201 case
Soundblaster Audigy Platinum
Intel PRO/1000T Network Card
Klipsch Promedia 5.1 speaker system

Heck of a system if I do say so myself but here inlies the problem. The video card I purchased at the time was the Gainward GeForce 4 Ti4400. Ran well at first but after 3 weeks, failed on me and I had to have it replaced. 3 months later same thing, replaced it again, they sent me a ti4600. failed again after 2 months. I just sent that one back and they're sending me a Ti4800SE. I was reluctant to blieve it at first but am now most surely convinced that my videocard is overheating. What are some suggestions as to what I can do to solve this problem. I'm open for all options, watercooling, new cooling for the card, anything. Specific parts would be great, and for right now lets say money is not a factor. The card arrives in a few weeks and I'd like to have an idea of what I'm going to be doing when it gets here, so I don't have to run my computer with the side open and a giant box fan up next to it :P Thanks loads!!!

Peace out-



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Response Number 1
Name: Andrew T Forbes
Date: April 13, 2003 at 15:09:02 Pacific
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I wouldn't be suprised if it was a heating issue. You do have a lot of devices in there.

I don't know what you have now cooling wise, but I'd get yourself one or two case fans (possibly one of which a rear extraction fan).

Look at the spacing of devices in your system, and try and map the through flow of air.

Invest in a cooling system for your Ge-Force card, possible the following, check out the link...

http://www.overclockersclub.com/thermaltakegeforce4cooler.shtml

One other point...is the voltage of your AGP port set correctly (depending on motherboard it can be altered)?

If the voltage is set too high, that could cause the graphics card to fail.

I'm assuming because of your nice choice in case, that your PSU is up to scratch.

Any of this help?


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Response Number 2
Name: Pietro
Date: April 13, 2003 at 15:14:12 Pacific
Reply:

I too have a coolermaster case, and as good as they look :o) they could easily be done under the trade discription act. Dspite the name, they arn't the coolest cases on the market. If you are like me, you dont want to get a dremmel out and cut into a £170 case, so my advice is as follows:

1) Get a PCI slot exhaust fan to be mounted directly under the GFX card.

2) Surf over to this site overclockers, and think about getting the Zalman ZM80A-HP Silent Heat pipe VGA cooler. This solution dosnt require a fan, but one can be added if noise isnt a problem using the zaleman fan bracket. One thing to bare in mind is that this truely is a huge heatsink, and will mean your gfx card will cover the PCI slot below it.

3) Get some rounded floppy and IDE cables to improve your airflow within the case.

4) Side mounted PCI card cooler...I dont like these...but this is another option.

5)Make sure you have a power supply with two fans (e.g. Enermax....they are great quality).

6) I want your speakers! :o)


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Response Number 3
Name: The DaWg 0220
Date: April 13, 2003 at 15:53:25 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks loads for the ideas.

I will have to get back to you on the voltage idea, I didn't check that out because the asus board is supposed to be in auto mode and take care of itself, but that may still be an issue.

My power supply is a 433 watt Enermax power supply, and it does have 2 fans.

I have 2 fans in the back blowing out, 2 in front pulling in, and 1 on top.

Another thing, I am seriously thinking about watercooling the system, once that geforce card is in there air flow is slaughtered. And I do live in a dorm and the system runs warmer then I'm happy with. So do you guys have any ideas / recommendations about how I should go about that, say I decide to cool both my GPU and CPU. Thanks again.

Peace-


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Response Number 4
Name: Andrew T Forbes
Date: April 14, 2003 at 00:24:30 Pacific
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Water cooling is the BEST way to cool a system I've found. But it can be dangerous if not done right. But based on the thought you put into building your system I'm sure you'd be fine.

It depends on where you are. I'm in the UK and I use a company called Maplin Electronics. They sell all the mini radiators, piping, pumps, etc...


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Response Number 5
Name: Pietro
Date: April 14, 2003 at 04:54:02 Pacific
Reply:

LOL @ Maplin....

If you want serious cooling, and as you said money is no option, I would go for a vapochill you can either buy the case, or the stand alone unit to fit into your case!

I doubt the voltage is a problem to be honest, unless you have overclocked the Vcore of your GPU to a stupid level...The PCI blower will add an extra exhaust and you can put it right under the GFX card to exhaust the hot air it creates.

I have an Enermax 500W supply, and it gives the most stable Vcore for OC'ing, and is amazing quality!

Now tell me, are those Klipsch speakers nice and loud with lots of bass?...do you have the decoder as well?....They have literally just started selling them in this country...and I am about to buy them I think....they are double the price here compared to USA though....fancy sending me some over?? :o)


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Response Number 6
Name: The DaWg 0220
Date: April 14, 2003 at 07:48:56 Pacific
Reply:

Thx for the advice guys...

As for the Klipsch speakers, they are absolutely unbelievable... about the best I can put it. There's plenty of base and the speaker quality has no comparison. I do not have the decoder but I will be ordering that sometime this summer. That would be the only downfall to the whole system, not having a digital decoder built in. But honestly thats so minimal that when u actually hear the system, you won't care. So yeah I definately recommend these to anyone who LOVES unrivaled sound quality. Wish I could help ya out there with the price issue, that really does suck, but there's nothing I really can do. :(

Here's another question for you guys... have you heard of the Koolance EXOS? What do you think of that for watercooling? I've heard the one downfall is it can be loud, but noise doens't really bother me... (I'm running the coolermaster HHC-001 heatsink now, the fan on it is rated to spin around 6800 RPM, but my motherboard tells me it spins around 8000 RPM most of the time, so it is VERY loud.) Thanks again guys.

Peace out-


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Response Number 7
Name: Pietro
Date: April 14, 2003 at 08:40:07 Pacific
Reply:

Its a good kit, and everything you need comes with it. It is loud, as it has three fans on it. Personally I wouldnt want a monster like that sat ontop of such a nice case.

On a techy note, the include water pipes are very thin!

To be honest, if you are not going to overclock, it isnt really worth going water cooled. The only attraction for me is the fact that you can ramp up the Vcore of your CPU. I wouldnt say that it is a silent solution either, as you still have fans along with a water pump to put up with!

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Response Number 8
Name: The DaWg 0220
Date: April 14, 2003 at 13:53:19 Pacific
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The main reason I'm looking at watercooling is because I live most of the time in my dorm, and thats where my computer is going to be running. This winter when it was cold outside and in my room the CPU temperature from the ASUS probe constantly read above 57 degrees C. Not to mention my video card is most definately overheating.

I've been looking at air solutions but the problem is when I install the new video card, there is only about an inch between the end of the card and the backside of my harddrive, and in that 1 inch area I have an IDE cable and a floppy cable as well as several other cables for my audigy drive, etc... If you know how the case works the air is supposed to come in at the bottom in the front and travel up and leave through the top and the back of the case by the processor. The problem is the air has to get through that 1 inch slot, and whether I put rounded cables in or not airflow is still next to none in there. So I think whats happening is the air is just getting trapped in the bottom of the case and circulating around and heating up, which would make sense with how my video cards have been failing, I won't go into detail but thats basically whats happening.

Anyways thats the main reason I'm considering watercooling, cause no matter what I'm never going to get that correct airflow.

I checked out that issue with the pipes being thin, apparently according to the koolance website that the system is specifically made for that size pipe, and from the rating I've seen on some sites the flow rate must just be higher then other systems. I dunno, was just an idea not doing anything for a few months so any ideas are still welcome. Thanks again.

Peace out-


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