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Name: Ed2289
Date: April 12, 2004 at 19:42:36 Pacific
OS: ME
CPU/Ram: PIII 384rm
Comment:

Im looking into upgrading my current Dell. I don't have the $$ to build a powerful system at the moment so i'll just have to do with my Dell. I was looking into upgrading the mobo and cpu...and maybe even the hard drive. I was looking into maybe getting a midrange Pentium 4//Athlon XP...and of course a new mobo. My only concerns though are cooling. At the moment, I only have one 80mm fan...is that enough for what I want? Also, can I fit the mobo? I have an ATX form factor case but does Dell "lock" the case to prevent upgrades like this?...See my CURRENT specs below...thanks in advance!

Dell Dimension 4100
Pentium III 800MHZ
Intel Easton D815EEA (mobo)
10GB Hard Drive



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Response Number 1
Name: HDDCrashed
Date: April 12, 2004 at 20:07:13 Pacific
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I assume that the warranty on your dell has long run out, correct?
Physically, there shouldn't be anything to stop you from opening your dell case. I'll be surprised if they used any kind of security screws. Also since you want to save money right now there is 2 things you should know.

1. If you go for the Pentium 4 then chances are you'll need to buy a new power supply. I am not sure about the Athlon

2. If you don't need any more than 10 GB then you could keep your current hard drive with no problems.


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Response Number 2
Name: OtheHill
Date: April 12, 2004 at 20:12:28 Pacific
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There is a good chance that a standard ATX power supply won't fit the Dell case and also the ATX motherboard. The existing Dell power supply may have propietory connectors for the motherboard. This means if that is the case that you won't be able to connect the PS to a new MB even if you can get it into the case. Perhaps someone else with more knowledge of Dell cases and PSs can shed more light on this. What budget do you have in mind for this upgrade?


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Response Number 3
Name: cmw2010
Date: April 12, 2004 at 20:14:42 Pacific
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The main problems you will run into are the wiring for the power switch and the led lights on the front. Dell uses a proprietary wiring scheme that you will likely have to rewire. Also I really doubt if your power supply will power a P4 which uses an extra a 4 pin power connector to power the cpu. Dell's also use a Recovery cd that won't load on anything but a Dell, so you will have to purchase a new Operating system also.


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Response Number 4
Name: darkfriend
Date: April 12, 2004 at 20:43:14 Pacific
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So what are you keeping the case and a CD-ROM drive. The power supply is probably 90 watts or something worthless. Just buy a new computer. You need RAM too anyways.

http://xoxide.com has cases for 35 bucks and everything else too.
-DF


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Response Number 5
Name: Bobthearch
Date: April 12, 2004 at 20:48:05 Pacific
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"Dell's also use a Recovery cd that won't load on anything but a Dell"

My Dell is about the same vintage and has a full version of Windows. He could have either...

Specifically what do you need that the computer can't accomplish? The answer will dictate the type of upgrade. You might be better off to save your $$ for a new system.

Best Luck,
Bob


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Response Number 6
Name: XxxFrancisxxxUSA
Date: April 12, 2004 at 21:08:39 Pacific
Reply:

Well..... you are pretty much wasting your time upgrading. Honestly...

The money you'll spend and the amount of parts you'll have to ditch will make you want to kick yourself for the $ difference. You'll be like, if I just spent a few bucks more I could have kep the old machine and just built a new one.

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0171035

Motherboard, $59 with onboard everything...

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0164642

Duron 1.6ghz $39 OEM

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0145163

Athlon 2000XP RETAIL BOX with HSF $69!!

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0165809

256 Meg PC2700 333mhz ram $52.99

SO.. for $150 ish bucks, you can get up to 1.6 ghz, with decent ram, or add $30 and go for the XP 2000 (I would). BUt you will need a new PSU. Of course now, this is a store. I was at a computer fair and they were selling 1800XP's with motherboard for $89. SO, you shop around and you can get a deal! If you do scrap the insides of your computer, you should get a bit for them on ebay. Amazingly, you'll get quite a bit towards your new machine. There's always someone out there who could use a p3 800 to upgrade an old p3 400, and so on. One man's trash and all that...


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Response Number 7
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: April 13, 2004 at 10:01:58 Pacific
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You can use up to a 933mhz cpu on the mboard you have. You have enough ram for ME, and for XP.

Intel brand mboards of this vintage do not use propietary ATX power connector wiring. Some Dells use mboards that are proprietary that way, but that does not apply in this case (yes, I checked the Easton pinouts). Hence the PS wiring is not proprietary either, and unless it uses a weird physical size, a standard PS/2 style PS will work in the case if you need to get a larger capacity.

See this:
http://www.lanyoncomputers.com.au/corner/threadview.jsp?post=8502&thread=4254

"The main problems you will run into are the wiring for the power switch and the led lights on the front. Dell uses a proprietary wiring scheme that you will likely have to rewire"

The wiring TO the front panel led's/switches isn't proprietary - but the connector on the Dell case might be - e.g. one piece rather than multiple separate connectors seen on most other cases. You will likely have to use multiple separate connectors on the wires on a newer mboard, or on one that doesn't use the same pin order and/or designations.


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Response Number 8
Name: Ed2289
Date: April 13, 2004 at 11:56:37 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks so much...but I can upgrade the CPU to something 933MHz or below? How about a hard drive? Maybe 40GB? My main concern is cooling...Will have to get a new heatsink//fan?


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Response Number 9
Name: OtheHill
Date: April 13, 2004 at 12:30:21 Pacific
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E-W

Not to rain on your parade but to upgrade an 800Mhz processor to a 933Mhz is not a cost effective upgrade. If you can' or don't desire to go into a new computer I would recommend you do nothing. The exception to this advice would be that if you are short on disk space you may want to increase that.


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Response Number 10
Name: Ed2289
Date: April 13, 2004 at 19:24:18 Pacific
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I see...but...do I have enough cooling (one 80mm) to get a 40GB hard drive?...and I already have upgraded the video card to a Radeon 9100.


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Response Number 11
Name: Bobthearch
Date: April 13, 2004 at 21:38:53 Pacific
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If you're replacing one hard drive for another, it won't make any more heat. Even adding a second hard drive won't be much ofa difference.

You can add an extra fan, either by modifying the case or buying a ready-to-use setup that would install into an unused drive bay on the front of the computer.

Going from an 800 to a 933 mhz won't be enough of an upgrade to be noticable.

You say you've added a graphic card. Did it have a real cooling fan, or just a heatsink? If it has a real fan attached you're fine. If it's only a heatsink, you might consider an additional case fan as I mentioned above.

Best Luck,
Bob


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