killer, I was searching for something else & ran across an earlier post about your system. It seems you haven't been happy with it's performance since day one. Oh well, that's an eMachine for ya. I don't understand why you're defending it & why you insist in investing any more money in it? The RAM alone must have cost close to $400, & 4GB of RAM is a ridiculous amount - unless you do hardcore CAD or video editting, it was a complete waste of money. You were advised to upgrade to 1GB in your other post, but apparently you figured more is better. I don't understand why people come here for advice, get several replies all recommending the same thing, then ignore that advice thinking they know better? I can see the same thing's gonna happen this time...you'll get several replies telling you what you have planned is a bad move, but you're gonna go ahead & do it anyway. What's the point of asking if your mind is already made up? Asus A7N8X-X 1800+ @ 8.5 x 200MHz 768MB PC3200 Asus A9550 128MB/128-bit Gamer Edition WinME/WinXP Pro

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Hey, Well, I don't know why I bought 4gb of ram. Well just for fun, I had extra cash to spend. The reason I posted this is to find out anyway I could transfer the things from eMachines to another PC. Jam, I know what you all mean, and I am actually listening to you all. The only problems I had with this computer early was because it didn't have enough memory to take its full performance. I can play any games I want on it, and run up to 2 spyware and Norton antivirus with CPU load of 5-6%. THat is a very big change with what I had before. I even can burn DVDs and Cds without giving any load to my PC. The processor that I have with 4gb of memory and decent video card have pulled up my system performance a lot. But, the only problem I facing is the cooling, and that is Why I was thinking about changing the case. BUt I was looking around and I found a really decent water cooling for about 180 bucks, don't remember which store had it... but it is supposed to keep my processor temps at about 27C and 33C at full load. Other than that, I am going to use 4gb of ram on other PC if I build one. It is 400mhz PC3200 so it is not bad. And my FSB is about 2Ghz. As what I have put into this PC, I think it is as good as any other top of the line systems. Not talking about gaming. If I decide to buy that water cooling system it, the upgrading of this PC with cost me about 1000$. To one's who think that this is pretty stupid to do... I don't know you might be right... I just like to non-fast Pcs working at its highest performance. Hey by the way this system is without my 19 inch Samsung LCD monitor (bought it after returned first 15inch Mag).... Well, I have a pretty nice system... So what you all think, should I get water cooling rather than new case? About upgrading I will probably buy external drives... thanks for the advice. Lider

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"hey, I just bought 10 pairs of Nikes" "10 pair? how come?" "I know only need one pair, but what the hell, I had the extra money to burn & it was fun" "I don't know why I bought 4gb of ram. Well just for fun, I had extra cash to spend." That's poor justification for buying all that RAM. Going to 1GB (2 x 512MB) would have been a good move, but anything over & beyond does little if anything to improvement performance, except under certain circumstances. It's the "law of diminishing return"... If you wanna throw all your eMachine crap into another tower, knock yourself out. It sounds like the CPU, board, & PSU are the only original components left anyway. It would make much more sense to buy a decent motherboard based on the nForce4 chipset & build a "real" system though. How about returning the eMachine to it's original state & keeping it as a backup? or how about just selling it? Take the money from the sale & get a decent nForce4 board & A64 with the Venice core. Water cooling is expensive, it requires added maintenance, it doesn't cool all that much better than a decent air cooling setup (if at all), & there's always the possibilty of a leak causing a catastrophic failure. Lazyman has done some work in this area...check out his reviews mentioned in these threads: http://www.computing.net/cpus/wwwboard/forum/11129.html http://www.computing.net/cpus/wwwboard/forum/11613.html Asus A7N8X-X 1800+ @ 8.5 x 200MHz 768MB PC3200 Asus A9550 128MB/128-bit Gamer Edition WinME/WinXP Pro

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I've found killer's eMachine posts entertaining.

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Thanks Bad Boy. Jam, You are right... I might do that. But whom am I gonna sell my Emachines to? ANy suggestions? I am not going to sell it over at eBay. The lowest price is 1000$, with what I have put into it. What do you all think... I will take out my hard drive 160, leave another one, and take 2gb of ram off too. Is it for a reasonable price or should I charge higher? Thanks.... Badboy, what did you like in my posts so much about eMachines? Lol. Lider

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If you are happy with your emachine and it does everything you want that's fine, keep it. 4 gigs of ram? We've all done things in life, that upon reflection, probably were not such a good idea in the first place. I'd like to have all the money back that I wasted when I didn't know enough about what I was buying.(cars,electronics,diamonds,etc.) I don't think I'm alone either. Anyone else here ever own a TRS80 or a Betamax? (I'm dating myself) The real key is to learn from your mistakes and not to repeat them. Don't buy something just because it's bigger and better if it serves no purpose. And above all do research before you do anything, and take the advice of those who have already been there. I think most people here try to get the most bang for the buck, so to speak, in the advice they give. Having said all this, if you have money to burn, I could use a few things for my system.

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AMD3200 and 2 gig of ram, luck would give you $500. In selling a used machine, you have to remember not to simply add up the prices of all of what you bought, and then sell it for that price. A Pc has "market value" like anything else. I doubt there are many folks running around who would buy an Emachine with 2 gig of ram...they just don't go together, if ya know what I mean. And I am not being cruel to your pc either, it is used and it is tough selling a Dell with the same specs for $500, unless you know someone locally who is in need. And ebay, you are right because there you are looking at possibly $400 with the Dell struggling to get there also. But that $500 is found money and helps you build a really nice machine that will have so much more life.

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despite people slagging off emachines mobos your comp is a fast comp for a home user. your money could have been better spent, but you are where you are now. Does your comp play all your games at maximum settings? - probably. Do you ever have to wait more than a few seconds for things to load? - probably not. Is your comp stable with reasonable temps? - probably. What are you trying to achieve? If your doing it purely for fun and money is no object then like Jam said, 'return the eMachine to it's original state', then sell it. Ebay is good otherwise put it in a magazine. You might get £350 for it. If you do this your gonna need a lot more than a mobo and CPU. PSU, case, DVD burner and SATA HDD. what about FDD, mouse, keyboard, screen. The whole idea is ridiculous.

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He's already stated that he bought 4GB RAM, a video card, & HDD. He mentioned something about a DVD-ROM & DVD burner, but I'm not clear on which one he bought & which came with the PC. And I don't know if he's purchased a new case yet or not. Most OEM systems (eMachine, Dell, Gateway, HP/Compaq, etc) are designed for the average user. Anyone with enough PC hardware knowledge realizes that OEM systems are overpriced for what you get, they're generally difficult to upgrade, & they contain a crippled BIOS so that there's very little performance tweaking that can be done - overclocking is usually impossible, except with 3rd party software. This system, in it's original state (w/o monitor), sells for less than $600 (new). Being that it's used, it's worth at best, $500...$400 is more realistic http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=eMachines_T6212 Asus A7N8X-X 1800+ @ 8.5 x 200MHz 768MB PC3200 Asus A9550 128MB/128-bit Gamer Edition WinME/WinXP Pro

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Hey Man, From what you all are writing... I think I might just give this PC to my bro and build a new one for myself. Well, I have found this new Amd processor "AMD Athlon 64 X2 (Dual Core) 4400 CPU" and I am thinking to build my Pc on its bases. THe only thing is that I don't know which mother board will support that processor. You all have convinced me to build a new PC, therefore i am giving this one to my brother... AMD Athlon 64 X2 (Dual Core) 4400 CPU sounds fancy. What kind of motherboard will support it? Lider

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Actually I just found a faster one AMD 64, 4800+ dual core, X2. What do you all think? Lider

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"What do you all think?" I think you like to spend money but don't know the value of a buck... Asus A7N8X-X 1800+ @ 8.5 x 200MHz 768MB PC3200 Asus A9550 128MB/128-bit Gamer Edition WinME/WinXP Pro

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"Badboy, what did you like in my posts so much about eMachines?" The way that you first decided to choose the eMachine, the modifications that you've done to it, the trouble you had with your monitor ..... they are all things that I would never have thought of.

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My friends, Jam, Badboy, WWW and all others. I think that you all think that I am a big spender and that is why I buy stuff that I do not need. (might be what you all think) Well, lets explore that. I am a college student... I have got a really good scholarship and I stay in dorm. Since I was a kid, I always liked to drive cars and stuff, but over period of time I developed some kind of fear. I am afraid of driving not because I do not have enough manhood, but because I think that I might do something wrong that can change my whole life. Well, because I have a lot of future plans - one accident can change everything. So I decided that I am going to stay in Dorm, and I am not going to buy a car and just walk to my classes. I also work and all the money that I make I use for girls ( :-) ) and for stuff like this. Electronics have always been my interest. For example, when I buy a bike and I will decorate it, add a lot of stuff on it you know and make it perfectly looking. Now, I want to build a PC a very nice one, The top of the line that you all call it. So therefore I need you all's opinions about the parts that I need for a new project that I am about to start in a few days. This new custom build PC should be very nice. I hope you all now understand, I gave up car (what I dont like) and I decided to use my money for something else. It is a simple economics. Thanks Killer Lider

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"It is a simple economics" No, it's simply dumb logic. Asus A7N8X-X 1800+ @ 8.5 x 200MHz 768MB PC3200 Asus A9550 128MB/128-bit Gamer Edition WinME/WinXP Pro

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Jam, What is your problem... if you don't like my posts why don't you go post somewhere else? I mean, I was kind of trying to be nice... but you are using my hostility... Lider

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killer, thanks for sharing. I have a better idea of your frame of reference and I understand your posts better.

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Dude, I have been building & repairing PCs for about 10 yrs & have been a regular in these forums for at least 2 yrs. If you don't like my curt replies to your ludicrous questions, why don't you find another forum to post you pipe dreams in.... Asus A7N8X-X 1800+ @ 8.5 x 200MHz 768MB PC3200 Asus A9550 128MB/128-bit Gamer Edition WinME/WinXP Pro

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Badboy, Thanks for understanding. Jam, why don't you go and dance with you monkey friends and not bother me? Thanks Lider

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I meant "your" LOL Lider

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When the name calling starts, it means it's time to bow out. I enjoy my time on this forum too much to risk being banned. Thanks Badboy ;) Asus A7N8X-X 1800+ @ 8.5 x 200MHz 768MB PC3200 Asus A9550 128MB/128-bit Gamer Edition WinME/WinXP Pro

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Great then.... Jam, you were the one who started this mess, so you have got to clean it up. And by the way, I didn't use any bad words... Lol Lider

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Killer, "And by the way, I didn't use any bad words... Lol" What exactly do you call your comment here if not "name calling"? "Jam, why don't you go and dance with you monkey friends and not bother me?" Sorry, but Jam is a huge help here on this board, and while he is opinionated, I find that to be a attribute frankly!

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Hey man, Look I respect everything about Jam... but to tell the truth he has been too critic about what he was writing about. Lets be reasonable, when you don't like someones posts you just ignore, but Jam kept puting his personal opinions about what I was doing. I wasn't asking about any personal feelings... I was asking a questiong about a professional matter. If he doesn't like my posts why does he bother to answer. In any way he will be wrong one. If i don't like someone, I just ignore what they say and not try to give my personal feelings. Lider

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THIS TOPIC IS OFFICIALLY CLOSED!!! THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS :-) Lider

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To make the best use of that 4GB of ram,disable Your Pagefile (Virtual Memory).

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