This video card better than my current one?

November 26, 2010 at 13:59:05
Specs: Windows XP, AMD Athlon 3800+ 4GB RAM
So, right now I have this card: -- GeForce 7300GT. NewEgg has some Black Friday sales going on, so I blindly bought this one: -- GeForce 210. Is this card going to be an improvement from my current one? If not, what specs do I want to look for? (Maybe I can eBay/return this one and get a different one. I am going cheap, trying not to spend more than $30.)

Also, I am assuming this card will fit in my motherboard and replace my current one just fine. If not, a heads up would be great. (This is my mobo: -- ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe. Not positive of my powersupply right now, but I assumed it would handle the new Zotac I ordered.)

Thanks for any help!!

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November 26, 2010 at 17:48:07 look for video benchmarks.

Why did it take me over a year to phone in a problem to ATT?

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November 26, 2010 at 18:01:17
Neither of the cards you mentioned are very good, especially for gaming. You should have asked before you "blindly bought". You're not going to get much for $30, but have a look at this Radeon HD 5550. Notice the difference in memory (DDR2 vs DDR3), the effective memory clock (800MHz vs 1600MHz), DirectX support (DX10.1 vs DX11) & the stream processors (24 vs 64**) compared to the GeForce 210.

** nVidia has Stream Processors, ATI has Stream Processing Units. To make the comparison, divide the ATI number by 5. The 5550 has 320 Stream Processing Units so 320/5 = 64.

As for returning the card to newegg, it will probably cost about $7-8 to ship it back.

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November 26, 2010 at 19:12:02
The Geforce 9600 GSO recommended in this older thread would have been an excellent card for just $25, why didn't you go for it?

Look how much better it is than the HD 5550 I'm recommending:

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November 26, 2010 at 19:52:32
The GeForce 210 video chipset will yield you better video performance than the GeForce 7300GT video chipset since the former was first released years later and has better features, but there are lots of better choices than that.

XP doesn't support you installing any Microsoft DirectX software version higher than 9.x. You only get the DirectX 10 only and above features supported by video chipsets that support DirectX 10 or higher in Vista or Windows 7. Simpler features will be auto substituted for more advanced features supported only by DirectX 10 and above in XP.

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November 26, 2010 at 20:43:52
Well my assumption was that a card that's 4+ years newer will run better and be better suited for today's usage. I basically looked for speeds, stream processors and memory larger than what I currently have, without knowing exactly which features actually mattered the most.

That chart jefro linked seems to indicate my GeForce 7300 GT outperforms the GeForce 210, which doesn't seem to make sense. That's because the 210 is so much newer and the cards come in different memory sizes -- the specific 210 I ordered being larger than the specific GT I have.

mickliq, that other Black Friday deal you linked seems worth the extra $5. If NewEgg will waive the restocking fee, I'll do it. Otherwise I will see how the Zotac performs before doing anything. I don't follow vid card prices closely, so I was hoping to get a deal during the holidays. Plus, I could justify buying myself one for Xmas but not buying myself one in September. :)

I'm not a huge gamer, but I do play some games that I'd like to play on higher settings. I'd like my HD video playback to look better if that's at all related to my card. (My monitor is this: -- Black Friday gift to myself last year for $130) I just felt it might be time for an upgrade without going nuts.

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November 26, 2010 at 21:23:37
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November 26, 2010 at 21:42:11
"That chart jefro linked seems to indicate my GeForce 7300 GT outperforms the GeForce 210..."

Oops - I see in this list the former does have a bit better performance:

"the cards come in different memory sizes "

After a certain minimal size, the amount of ram on the card has no effect on the performance of the card's video chipset , except that the more ram it has, the higher the frames per second rate can be at higher resolutions. You don't need the higher amounts of ram unless you have a HUGE display that can use the higher resolutions without the detail being so small that you can't make it out, or in any case, most monitor models can't display the highest resolutions anyway.
E.g. if there are choices of 512mb or 1gb of ram, most people's monitors will not benefit from the higher frame rates the 1gb of ram supports at the highest resolutions - the frames per second rate is identical for lower and mid resolutions.

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November 26, 2010 at 22:21:07
"That chart jefro linked seems to indicate my GeForce 7300 GT outperforms the GeForce 210"

Newer isn't necessarily better. You need to make the proper spec comparisons & that's not always easy due to constant changes in technology. Although the Geforce 7300GT was a low end card in it's day, there were even worse cards, the 7200GS & 7300GS for instance. The Geforce 210 is currently at the very bottom of nVidia's lineup. It's not surprising that the 7300GT performs better. Personally, I wouldn't want either one of them. The 9600GSO that was recommended to you 2 months ago was an amazing deal for $25, I don't know why you didn't jump on it?

As for the comment about DX9 vs DX10 vs DX11. I assume that at some point you'll be upgrading the OS to Win7?

"If NewEgg will waive the restocking fee, I'll do it"

Even if they do, you're still going to have to pay the return shipping fee. IMO, it's not worth it. You should be able to sell it for at least what you paid. If you plan on buying another card, wait til Cyber Monday & see what comes available.

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November 27, 2010 at 08:34:50
I won't need to pay shipping. My office has it's own mailing machine and I'll just stamp it in my office, so I won't need to absorb that cost. NewEgg said they'd waive the restocking fee for me. And no, I have Windows 7 at my office and it drives me nuts. It still seems buggy as I run into errors constantly and I am very happy with XP. If the OS ain't broke, I don't need to fix it. I don't think you're reading my posts mickliq, because I already addressed not jumping on the $25 ATI card. I waited for the holidays. It's over now, no use in dwelling on it.

So, I'll look around for a better card and maybe get some advice first. I want a new video card because my performs adequately, but I look at gaming on other people's computers and it looks better. I want crisper graphics but I don't need state-of-the-art gaming hardware. Just seems like it's time for an update as my 7300 GT is four years old.

Thanks for the input.

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November 27, 2010 at 10:48:48
"I want crisper graphics"

See response 4.
Some of those "crisper graphics" are features supported only by DirectX 10 and above, and you won't see those when you use XP.

However, a better video card will yield you higher frames per second rates.

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December 8, 2010 at 08:52:44
I bought this GeForce GT 240: It was $35 with rebate. I think it will be way better than my current card or the one I returned. Thanks for that link. I used that as a guide! Hopefully this card is a big improvement! It's benchmark is 780, my current card is 231! Seems like better specs all around too. We'll see! (But let me know if I should return this one too. ;) I think this should be compatible with current set up just fine... My power supply is 500W.)

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December 8, 2010 at 09:53:54
Well.. A Simple Answer.. these both are video cards.. so from a video point of view the 210 is going to be a little better then the 7300.. not big of a difference.. from the gaming point of view... same... not proper gaming cards..

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December 8, 2010 at 10:00:14
edit: Nevermind. He didn't read the whole thread! My latest update was mostly for the people who helped me originally! :)

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December 8, 2010 at 11:25:33
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