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Name: anupam
Date: November 19, 2008 at 03:29:14 Pacific
OS: Win XP
CPU/Ram: PIV/1024 MB
Manufacturer/Model: Assembled
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Well, i had earlier posted in WinXP forum regarding PC freezing. My PC had been freezing lately, with the screen going yellowish and bluish at places. After restarting, it would work fine again, and sometimes freeze again after sometime. Happened quite randomly.

Yesterday, i opened my PC and cleaned the dust inside the PC, and on the processor fan. I do this after some days. After cleaning, i started my PC, it booted, worked fine for a while, and then shut down. So, this time, i opened the heat sink and the processor fan, and i found quite a lot of dust around the processor. So, i think thats why the system had been freezing lately.

So, i cleaned around and on the processor. But now, as i dont have any thermal paste, the PC wont start. Is it necessary to apply thermal paste on the processor? Earlier also, i had similar problem, the processor wont work without it, and would overheat.

So, now my PC starts, shows POST screen, tests the memory, and then shuts down.
Here shops dont keep thermal paste, and i've run out of it. I have arranged some asking my friend.

I hope the problem is of thermal paste only. I noticed, when the PC boots, DVD-writer's light and the HDD's light just keeps glowing. Is that normal?

Thanks for replies and suggestions.

Anupam


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Response Number 1
Name: jam
Date: November 19, 2008 at 04:42:53 Pacific
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"Is it necessary to apply thermal paste on the processor?"

Absolutely! And it has to be applied correctly. Use a tiny dab about the size of a BB & do NOT spread it around. Here's the instructions:

http://www.arcticsilver.com/pdf/app...

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Response Number 2
Name: StuartS
Date: November 19, 2008 at 04:44:08 Pacific
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Thermal paste is essential. It enables heat transfer between the CPU core and the heat-sink by eliminating the minute air spaces between the two materials.

Without it the CPU will overheat very quickly and turn itself of to prevent damage. When you do get round to applying the thermal past apply it sparingly, just enough to make a thin covering. Too much is almost as bad as non at all.

As for the original problem with freezing and the screen changing colour I would be looking at the graphics card. If the problem persists try re-seating it.

Stuart


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Response Number 3
Name: anupam
Date: November 19, 2008 at 05:08:29 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks for the replies. Well, thermal paste do seems necessary. Earlier also, i had tried starting my PC without it, but it would keep shutting down.

The graphics card is on-board chip. So i cant reseat it. I think the problem was related to processor only, as lots of dust had accumulated around and on it. I always cleaned the heat sink and the fan, but didnt look under it for a long time. So, hopefully i get the thermal paste soon, and i can restart my PC.

Will update as soon as it gets started. Using my cousin's now.
Thanks a lot again.

Anupam


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Response Number 4
Name: jam
Date: November 19, 2008 at 05:52:33 Pacific
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Diaper rash cream that's high in zinc oxide content will work ;-)

http://63.74.115.230/tips1214/

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Response Number 5
Name: anupam
Date: November 19, 2008 at 07:17:05 Pacific
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Lol, i will be hesitant in trying that out... homemade grease. But if i dont get thermal paste, who knows i would try it..lol.
Thanks for the pdf link jam, it was very informative :).

Anupam


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Response Number 6
Name: jam
Date: November 19, 2008 at 07:36:50 Pacific
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I wouldn't try the Vaseline/toothpaste blend but I have tried the diaper rash cream as an experiment...it worked fine. I didn't actually run out & buy some, we happened to have some old stuff laying around. Zinc oxide is a common ingredient in many thermal compounds so I figured it was a fairly safe experiement. I didn't leave it on for any major length of time though, I just wanted to see if it would work. I see no reason why it couldn't be used as a temporary solution until you get the "real deal".

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Response Number 7
Name: jam
Date: November 19, 2008 at 07:41:31 Pacific
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Hey, I just found this old thread. See response #19...lol

http://www.computing.net/answers/ha...

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Response Number 8
Name: OtheHill
Date: November 19, 2008 at 10:54:59 Pacific
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If you bothered to read that entire thread that jam just posted DON'T use Silicon adhesive caulk for thermal paste. Not if you want to get the HS off again.


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Response Number 9
Name: aegis
Date: November 19, 2008 at 15:20:26 Pacific
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I agree with Stuart about the screen problem. I would also suspect the video adapter or the monitor itself. Blaming a dusty CPU for that seems kinda far fetched, but I guess stranger things have happened.


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Response Number 10
Name: kx5m2g
Date: November 19, 2008 at 15:54:09 Pacific
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You could try ordering some thermal paste online if you're at a place where they would deliver it.


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Response Number 11
Name: suatcini
Date: November 20, 2008 at 07:20:39 Pacific
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I advise checking in BIOS the shutdown temperature of CPU. It could have been set too low.

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SuatCINI


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Response Number 12
Name: anupam
Date: November 21, 2008 at 02:52:36 Pacific
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Well, good news... i got the thermal paste from a friend. He got it from some hardware store. So, i have cleaned the dust around the processor, put the thermal paste, and the PC is up and running again. Am so glad.

Thanks for all the help guys. I think the PC should behave fine now. Will post if something happens.

Will keep the homemade thermal paste in mind though, dont know when u might need it.. lol.

I have a suggestion about the forum, i dont know where to put it or whom to tell.
I think, the posts which receive replies should come to the top of forum again. That way, its easier to locate posts with new posts. Otherwise, its hard to tell which topics have got replies unless u put a watch on them. I have been on this site for quite some years now, and i love the recent new look... gave the site a new avatar.
I really miss this feature though, that topics with new replies should appear at top of forum again.

Thanks

Anupam


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Response Number 13
Name: anupam
Date: November 21, 2008 at 04:21:19 Pacific
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After being up for about 3-4 hours, my PC again froze and screen went yellowish at places. Now i cant think why its happening. The monitor is OK. I dont think monitor would cause a PC freeze problem.
The video is on-board chip : Intel 82915G Express Chipset.
Now am getting scared if my motherboard is having any problems.
Any suggestions what i should do?

When the PC froze, i then restarted. The BIOS had reset itself. I changed BIOS settings, and checked temperatures. It was 75 degrees. And now am checking temperatures with speedfan.. its showing 55 degrees.

I dunno whats the problem with my PC.

Anupam


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Response Number 14
Name: OtheHill
Date: November 21, 2008 at 05:00:28 Pacific
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If your temps are that high then either you applied the paste wrong, the HS is installed incorrectly or the HSfan is not working properly.

If you were getting video artifacts then the entire PC may be overheating.

You didn't indicate how you cleaned out the dust. The best method, IMO, is to blow out the case with compressed air. Canned compressed air can be purchased at computer or office supply stores. Be sure to blow out everything, including the PSU.

DO NOT use a vacuum. Doing so can damage the hardware due to electrostatic discharge.


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Response Number 15
Name: suatcini
Date: November 21, 2008 at 06:48:15 Pacific
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I do not get why a vacuum cleaner should create electrical discharge. I have been using vacuum cleaning for a long long time with no problems. Vacuum power is 1500 watts.

I am against compressed air method because it might force dust and other debris into tiny spaces between legs of a chip creating shorts when combined with moisture.

My thinking is, if air draft creates electrical discharge, it should create discharge either way; when blown in or when blown out.

Am I not right ?

Regards

SuatCINI


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Response Number 16
Name: OtheHill
Date: November 21, 2008 at 07:01:30 Pacific
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The motor current draw has nothing at all to do with electrostatic discharge from a vacuum hose.

An air compressor can also create a static discharge. The difference is that in order to use a vacuum cleaner you need to touch the parts you are vacuuming. Not so with compressed air.

The charge is not built up in the air stream but on the tubing carrying the air.

Static discharge caused by airflow is well documented. The best example of this is the German dirigible the Hindenburg. If you don't know that history, Google for it.

Knock yourself out using a vacuum cleaner on your computer but please don't advise anyone else to do so.


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Response Number 17
Name: anupam
Date: November 21, 2008 at 10:35:12 Pacific
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What range of temperature is considered normal, and above what its considered high. I dont know, if it was a temperature related problem, then when i reboot the PC again, then it shouldnt start for a while, and it should warn of overheating before.
Coz, earlier in the past, it has happened, that due to dust on air fan, the system heats up and shuts down. And when i try to restart it, it gives a peculiar beep, and then it would come written that earlier PC shut down due to overheating. And it wouldnt start till the PC cooled down.

But now, the system freezes, screen goes yellowish at places. But, again i restart the PC, and it works fine, as if nothing had happened. So, is the problem related to temperature?
Its getting confusing.

Anupam


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Response Number 18
Name: anupam
Date: November 21, 2008 at 10:39:15 Pacific
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And well, about cleaning the PC, i blew the dust with a vacuum cleaner using it in blower mode. And i cleaned the dust around and on the processor with a cloth. Didnt took out the processor first, and cleaned the dust around and on it. Also cleaned the old thermal paste.

Well, i dont think it has anything to do with cleaning, coz PC has been freezing before all that, and also i have cleaned my PC in the past, taking proper care.
Now, i cant think why this has been happening.

Anupam


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Response Number 19
Name: anupam
Date: November 25, 2008 at 01:31:42 Pacific
Reply:

My problem is solved.

I took out the RAM sticks to test them one at a time. Tested with memtest86+ .... didnt find any problems. And, after reseating the sticks, since then PC is working fine. No freezing problems now. I think the problem was with the RAM not seated properly.... or dust. Dunno, what it was, but problem is solved.

Thanks for all the help guys.

Anupam


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