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Name: bccamper
Date: September 21, 2008 at 14:04:47 Pacific
OS: Win XP
CPU/Ram: Varies
Product: Varies
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I have about 10 computers laying around in various states of operation. Some don't have a power supply. I want to clean up the whole lot and make about 4 usuable computers. My question is to do with swapping power suppies. How can I tell if I can take a power suppy from one machine and put it in another?



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Response Number 1
Name: Trent M
Date: September 21, 2008 at 14:20:52 Pacific
Reply:

Basically, if the power supply is roughly the same size and uses the same plugs as the one in the computer it will replace, it will work, unless a particular computer uses an insane amount of power and you try to put in a lower wattage power supply, then you might start having problems. For a typical computer (single-core processor, a floppy drive, a CD drive and a typical mid or low-end video adapter, 75-100 watts should be sufficient. (This is info I got off the internet. At least 145 watts should be fine. At least 300 watts if this computer has a high-end video card and/or multiple hard disks and a dual or quad-core processor.)

Hope this helps,

-Trent


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Response Number 2
Name: bccamper
Date: September 21, 2008 at 14:24:54 Pacific
Reply:

Trent,

Thanks for the info. The poer supply I am going to sway is 250 watts. So this seams in line with what you have stated. My concern was that I may swap the power supply and fry the motherboard because the power was too much.


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Response Number 3
Name: jam
Date: September 21, 2008 at 14:29:29 Pacific
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It depends on the system specs. Older PCs (prior to the P4 & Athlon) use the +5v rail to power the CPU. Newer systems use the +12v rail. The "75-100 watts" given above is ridiculous...even if it worked, it leaves no margin for error & the PSU would be running at max capacity. Consider 250W to be the minimum you should consider but you also have to consider the hardware being installed & you have to take the voltage rail/amperage ratings into account.

There are also different types of PSUs...AT, ATX, mATX. You cannot fry a system by having a PSU that is oversize. If your system only needs 200W & you install a 1000W PSU, the system will only draw what it needs.

Have a look at this:

Power Supply Myths Exposed!

"If my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions" - Jules Winnfield (Samuel L. Jackson) in Pulp Fiction


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Response Number 4
Name: bccamper
Date: September 21, 2008 at 14:33:10 Pacific
Reply:

Your answers are not scaring me. I am just trying to learn as much as I can and make sure I understand you and not get into a situation where what I heard/read is not what you said.


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Response Number 5
Name: jam
Date: September 21, 2008 at 14:36:30 Pacific
Reply:

Have a look at these:

Choosing The Right Power Supply

Everything You Need to Know About Power Supplies

If you need more, let me know. I have dozens of sites on PSUs bookmarked because there is SO much misinformation out...such as what you got from Trent.

"If my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions" - Jules Winnfield (Samuel L. Jackson) in Pulp Fiction


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Response Number 6
Name: aegis
Date: September 21, 2008 at 14:38:28 Pacific
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Too much power is not a problem. PC components will only draw as much as they need.

If you have some OEM power supplies in the bunch, you have to be aware that some OEM manufacturers used proprietary power supplies/motherboards with different wiring then standard generic.


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Response Number 7
Name: StuartS
Date: September 21, 2008 at 15:09:27 Pacific
Reply:

>> and a typical mid or low-end video adapter, 75-100 watts should be sufficient <<

The last time I had a 75 watt power supply it was in a Tandy 1000 with an 8088 CPU, one hard disk, floppy disk and 640 kBs of RAM.

The first 80386 I had came with a 200 watt power supply.

Stuart


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Response Number 8
Name: bccamper
Date: September 21, 2008 at 15:49:27 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks guys for all your input.

Thanks especially to Jam for the article at Firing Squad. It was very interesting and knowledgeable.

One thing I have learned from the article is knowing what power the motherboard uses is required in the formula. I have always had problems identifying motherboards as it doesn't seem to be clearly marked. Two I have here seem to be an ALi M1541 and SIS 5595 but I am only guessing. I am not sure if that is the name of the motherboard or merely a chip on the motherboard. Any suggestions guys?


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Response Number 9
Name: OtheHill
Date: September 21, 2008 at 16:24:10 Pacific
Reply:

Don't know if any of jam's links mention non- standard PSUs or not. Care must be taken if the computer had one or needs one.


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Response Number 10
Name: Trent M
Date: September 21, 2008 at 17:05:18 Pacific
Reply:

To all of you who are bombing me about how wrong I am, I said the info I found was on the internet. That basically meant it was most likely wrong. The least wattage power supply I have ever seen is 145 watt. (which is on my Compaq Presario.)


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Response Number 11
Name: SkipCox
Date: September 21, 2008 at 17:51:20 Pacific
Reply:

Well Trent, eMachines (for one) shipped s370 machines with 90w psu's.

That sure doesn't mean it was a good idea. Some of those little power supplies blew taking the motherboard with 'em. Many others just quit.

Go thru the links jam provided...you'll learn as much in an hour as most of us did in 10 years.

Compaq, eMachines, Gateway, and others were wrong about power supplies too. The consumer educated them; you can educate yourself.

Skip


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Response Number 12
Name: Trent M
Date: September 22, 2008 at 12:02:09 Pacific
Reply:

Very true, sorry for my little outburst. :)


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