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Slave HD Problem...please help!

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Name: Vol4One
Date: December 27, 2008 at 09:04:00 Pacific
OS: Windows XP Pro
CPU/Ram: 1.93GB
Product: Home built / HOME BUILT
Comment:

Hello all!

I got a new CPU for Christmas that has a Seagate 160GB SATA HD in it. I want to put my Western Digital 80GB IDE HD in it as a slave so I can get my files transferred. I've got them both hooked up and they both show up in the BIOS and Disk Management. But, the slave HD does not show up in Windows Explorer. In Disk Management, there is no drive letter assigned and I cannot assign one. That option is grayed out. The only options I have are Delete Partition and Help. Both drives show up as Healthy. The only difference between the drives (besides one is SATA and one is IDE) is the old HD has Windows XP Home system on it. Both are NTFS.

Any help is appreciated! I'm driving myself crazy trying to find the answer!

Windows XP Pro SP2
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+
2.61GHz, 1.93GB RAM
MSI K9N6PGM2 Motherboard
NVIDIA GeForce MCP61P + nForce 430 Chipset



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Response Number 1
Name: jam
Date: December 27, 2008 at 09:19:32 Pacific
Reply:

"I got a new CPU for Christmas"

A CPU is a chip that's inserted into a socket on the motherboard. Judging from your sig, your CPU is an AMD X2 5000+.

Now, what exactly did you get for Christmas?

Try googling "xp take ownership"


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Response Number 2
Name: OtheHill
Date: December 27, 2008 at 09:22:10 Pacific
Reply:

Look in Disk Management to see if the drive is showing there. You may be able to assign a drive letter there.

You may need to also take ownership of the files/folders. Look at the link below to learn how to do that.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308421


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Response Number 3
Name: Vol4One
Date: December 27, 2008 at 09:40:52 Pacific
Reply:

jam, I got a Home-built computer.

OtheHill, I can't assign a drive letter in Disk Management. It is grayed out.

I was going to try to take ownership but it says to right-click on the folder you want to take ownership of and click properties. I can't see my slave HD in Windows Explorer so I'm not sure how I would be able to right-click on it.

Any other ideas?

Windows XP Pro SP2
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+
2.61GHz, 1.93GB RAM
MSI K9N6PGM2 Motherboard
NVIDIA GeForce MCP61P + nForce 430 Chipset


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Response Number 4
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: December 27, 2008 at 09:56:32 Pacific
Reply:

"I got a new CPU .... "

That's an incorrect use of the term CPU.
Your computer case and all the components inside it is NOT a CPU, despite the fact some people and some ad descriptions call it that.

I'm assuming you hooked up the IDE drive to the mboard, and it's not in an external drive case.

The 80gb IDE drive can be, but does not have to be, hooked up and/or jumpered as slave - you just have to have the SATA 160gb drive specified as the drive you boot from first in the boot order settings in your bios by making sure it's the first one listed there.
There may be more than one hard drive listed in the boot order settings, OR you may need to find a list of hard drives in the bios, often near the boot order settings, and make sure the 160gb one is listed first when the 80gb drive is connected (they are often listed by their model number).
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It is NOT a good idea to designate an IDE drive as slave when it's the only drive on an IDE data cable.

Recent mboard bioses will often detect an IDE drive connected and jumpered as slave if it is by itself on an IDE data cable anyway, or if it's jumpered cable select and on the middle connector on a 3 connector cable which designates it as slave if it is by itself on an IDE data cable anyway, but Windows may not detect the drive properly.
If the IDE drive is by itself on a data cable, it should be jumpered master and be connected to either the middle or end connector, or it should be jumpered cable select and on the END connector on a 3 connector cable, NOT the middle one.
Also, the blue connector end of the data cable MUST be connected to the mboard header.

The IDE data cable you use for the IDE hard drive MUST have 80 wires.

It is common to un-intentionally damage IDE data cables, especially while removing them - the 80 wire ones are more likely to be damaged. What usually happens is the cable is ripped at either edge and the wires there are either damaged or severed, often right at a connector or under it's cable clamp there, where it's hard to see - if a wire is severed but it's ends are touching, the connection is intermittant, rather than being reliable.
Another common thing is for the data cable to be separated from the connector contacts a bit after you have removed a cable - there should be no gap between the data cable and the connector - if there is press the cable against the connector to eliminate the gap.
80 wire data cables are also easily damaged at either edge if the cable is sharply creased at a fold in the cable.

Try another data cable if in doubt.
......

If any user of the 80gb drive was using a password, you my need to "take ownership", but as far as I have seen, that ONLY applies if you CAN see the drive letter for the drive in My Computer or Windows Explorer, but when you click on the drive letter or a file or folder on the drive you get an "access denied" or similar message.


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Response Number 5
Name: OtheHill
Date: December 27, 2008 at 10:01:37 Pacific
Reply:

You refer to the old IDE drive as a slave. You should have that drive jumpered as Master. The SATA and IDE channels are totally independent of one another. Have the 80GB IDE set as Master or if a WDigital drive and alone on the cable, Master alone.

Highlight the drive in Disk Management and go to Action> all tasks> properties> volumes. What is listed there?

Try this also. Highlight the drive in Disk Management and go to Action> rescan disks.


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Response Number 6
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: December 27, 2008 at 10:49:26 Pacific
Reply:

"...WDigital drive and alone on the cable, Master alone."

WD hard drives, and some other maker drives, often have two different settings for master - master (single) or similar - for when it's by itself on a data cable, and master (with slave present) or similar for when there is another drive jumpered as slave on the cable, that is not recognized properly when the master drive is jumpered master (single). Usually both settings are on the label on the drive, or if not, or in any case, they can be looked up on the web at the manufacturer's web site.


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Response Number 7
Name: OtheHill
Date: December 27, 2008 at 11:40:51 Pacific
Reply:

tubes, isn't that what I just said?


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Response Number 8
Name: Vol4One
Date: December 27, 2008 at 12:35:39 Pacific
Reply:

Okay...I went to the Command Prompt and did a DISKPART on the older IDE HD, Partition 1. I did a CLEAN from there. Then, in Disk Management, I did an Initialize Disk on the HD. From the DISKPART prompt, I did a CREATE PARTITION PRIMARY. And, from Disk Management, marked the disk as active. I was then able to change the drive letter and see the drive in Windows Explorer. But, when I double-clicked on the drive, it asked me to format.

I then decided it was worth the trouble anymore and I would just stick the old HD back in the old box and burn everything to CDs. However, when I did that, it wouldn't boot up. I got an ERROR LOADING OPERATING SYSTEM error. Did I just totally screw something up? Have I lost all my files?

Windows XP Pro SP2
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+
2.61GHz, 1.93GB RAM
MSI K9N6PGM2 Motherboard
NVIDIA GeForce MCP61P + nForce 430 Chipset


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Response Number 9
Name: OtheHill
Date: December 27, 2008 at 13:34:02 Pacific
Reply:

Why did you wipe the partitions. You have lost all your files now.

First of all DO NOT WRITE to this disk. It may be possible to recover the files and/or restore the partition.

Testdisk may be able to restore the partition. Look at the link below and READ ALL instructions on how to use testdisk before performing any operations.

http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Test...


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Response Number 10
Name: Vol4One
Date: December 27, 2008 at 20:07:17 Pacific
Reply:

OtheHill,

THANKS A MILLION!! That worked like a charm! It said some files didn't copy but the ones that I needed did. I guess that will teach me to experiment from now on!!

Thanks again!

Windows XP Pro SP2
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+
2.61GHz, 1.93GB RAM
MSI K9N6PGM2 Motherboard
NVIDIA GeForce MCP61P + nForce 430 Chipset


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Response Number 11
Name: OtheHill
Date: December 27, 2008 at 20:26:16 Pacific
Reply:

Glad it worked out.


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