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Name: arbi
Date: August 24, 2005 at 12:27:34 Pacific
OS: xp pro
CPU/Ram: amd barton 3000 / 1gb ocz
Comment:

Hey guys,

I just put together a computer and i have a master and a slave drive.

Master= Seagate baracudda 80 gb ata133 hard-drive 7200 RPM

Slave= western digital 20 gb

The slots are directly on top of eachother because there are no other slots I can use.

My seagate seems to be overheating really bad. I can barely touch the top part. I even left my case open. Is this a hardware error? What can I do to fix this?

Also the drive under it is now overheating as well. what can i do?

=arbi=



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Response Number 1
Name: Rick McNabb
Date: August 24, 2005 at 12:38:19 Pacific
Reply:

Newer drives need good venitlation. Even with 5400 RPM drives, I will leave a "slot" open between them.

Seagate says that the drive's top operating temp is 60C (140F), which is pretty dang hot to the touch. Your only options are to move the drive(s) or try mounting a fan to cool them. Do you have any other drive bays to move them to or you have pretty small case?


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Response Number 2
Name: arbi
Date: August 24, 2005 at 12:41:54 Pacific
Reply:

Yea, I have 2 slots for a hard-drive and their right on top of them. I got a special Antec case to keep it cool and its pretty small so there isnt much space to move.

I guess I can try adding more fans but im running out of space. This case is getting pretty annoying!


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Response Number 3
Name: blackbill
Date: August 24, 2005 at 14:48:28 Pacific
Reply:

What is this with hot hard drives today??

Contrary to popular belief, hd's are NOT supposed to run hot. This is why they don't include fans/fins/venting.

Even if you look at some of the USB hardrives complete with thier own power supplies (which are good heat producers all by themselves), they are completely enclosed with no venting.

I have a 120 gig 7200 usb drive that is completely encased... no venting, and even after 3 hours of heavy duty video rendering it's barely above room temperature. It's the same with 2 internal drives that I have.

If your hard drive is producing a lot of heat then their is a problem with it and you should start thinking about backing up.


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Response Number 4
Name: Rick McNabb
Date: August 24, 2005 at 15:34:05 Pacific
Reply:

blackbill, check my response - my HD's which are 5400 RPM will run (internal temp) 95F usually which feels a little warm.

But drive that feel HOT, i.e - that you can't keep your hand on, are an issue.

The air temp inside a computer case is usually higher than room temperature.

Seems the "special" Antec case isn't doing it's job.

ARBI - you can't move one drive up to one of the external 5 1/4" bays can you??

There are adapters to mount 3 1/2" devices in the 5 1/4" bays.


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Rule #2: There is no such thing as a good computer.


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Response Number 5
Name: blackbill
Date: August 24, 2005 at 15:49:04 Pacific
Reply:

Rick:

Maybe I'm confused but that's a different story... computer case temperatures could be high which in turn will heat everything within the casing, including the HD.

But this is a problem with the casing and the case venting, not the hard drive.


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Response Number 6
Name: jboy
Date: August 24, 2005 at 16:14:31 Pacific
Reply:

Problem solved ; )

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Response Number 7
Name: arbi
Date: August 24, 2005 at 16:35:30 Pacific
Reply:

wow my hd is still at 114 degrees farenheit! what do i do?


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Response Number 8
Name: arbi
Date: August 24, 2005 at 16:44:30 Pacific
Reply:

I even moved it up 2 bay slots!

:(


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Response Number 9
Name: blackbill
Date: August 24, 2005 at 16:46:43 Pacific
Reply:

Back it up because my guess is its days are numbered.


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Response Number 10
Name: arbi
Date: August 24, 2005 at 16:48:14 Pacific
Reply:

oh man, its a brand new hard-drive!!



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Response Number 11
Name: blackbill
Date: August 24, 2005 at 16:54:10 Pacific
Reply:

If it's new that's even worse!

Make sure it's not what Rick Mcnabb above said (bad computer case venting). If you are sure it's not that then take it out and return it before something bad happens to it.

Returning a burned up HD I suspect will be a little harder to return.


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Response Number 12
Name: arbi
Date: August 24, 2005 at 17:55:19 Pacific
Reply:

hmm i switched my power supplky from 450 to 250 and it seems to be cooled won at 96 farenheit now...

96 degrees ok right?


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Response Number 13
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: August 24, 2005 at 22:54:26 Pacific
Reply:

Did you even try the suggestions in jboy's link?

Seriously, if changing power supplies fixed it, I'd think the first one was defective. A power supply doesn't force the power into whatever it's driving--the device pulls what it needs from the PS. But if the 5 or 12 volt leads are much higher than that, the drive will still pull the same amperage but at the higher voltage. The drive will be using more power and therefore have more heat to dissipate.


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Response Number 14
Name: arbi
Date: August 25, 2005 at 13:31:57 Pacific
Reply:

again..why would i soak and freeze my HD? doesnt seem safe. I swithced it back to 450 watts, added a fan, 2 hard-drive coolers, 1 for each and adding 3 more fans at the bottom. Regular + 2 hd coolers temp is at 95 avg.. this is farenheit!


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Response Number 15
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: August 25, 2005 at 13:39:26 Pacific
Reply:

The page jboy linked to was not meant to be taken seriously.

For comparison purposes you may want to do a voltage check on the 5 and 12 volt leads (red and yellow) with each power supply and see how close the readings are to 5 and 12.

Although it may look silly, if you have the room you might want to attach heatsinks to the top of the drives for better heat dissipation.



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Response Number 16
Name: arbi
Date: August 25, 2005 at 19:16:25 Pacific
Reply:

Heres an update...Just added 3 more fans to the bototm of my case to blow on the 2 hds...added 2 heatsink/fans to each hard-drive..images are here

http://xieserv.net/amd

check it out :( its reading 38 celcius which is 100 Farenheit! I think its till too high but I can now touch the HD without burning myself. Again, is 100 too high?

-arbi


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Response Number 17
Name: jin
Date: August 29, 2005 at 10:07:53 Pacific
Reply:

If you have high heat producing hardware, your whole case will be a space heater.
Happen to have any 5.25" bays open? buy a Bayfreezer from vantec or, just return your HDD and say it's got problems.

mine runs at 28C. but it's an older Western digital.
I guess seagate's harddrives just suck up lots of power. might want to get something a little less power hungry like a hitachi or samsung.

If your ambient room temperature is around 80-90 this could affect case temperature greatly. (obviously)
Saw your pictures. I would recommend an intake-fan from the front of the case.

http://www.vantecusa.com/product-cooling.html#
try the vortex. it's kinda expensive but you could find something, similar a bit cheaper.

The fans you installed look like they just be blowing hot air around your hard drives.

90-100 is fine, dont freak out. Your drive's life will just be reduced. =)

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Response Number 18
Name: chrisman7 (by chrisman.7)
Date: September 3, 2005 at 18:25:35 Pacific
Reply:

you should see how hot they get when they go thru the burn in period

72 hrs of running in an enviornment of intense heat

probably hotter than you are talking about

I used to build them in the 80's


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Response Number 19
Name: trvlr
Date: September 10, 2005 at 05:42:25 Pacific
Reply:

jboy:

Thanks for that link (in post-6); it's a gem.

Will pass it on to friends/colleagues etc.

Thanks for the chuckle.

Being "serious..." perhaps "arbi" can investigate re' Peltier effect cooling, or a water-cooled system? There are folks out there who are really into both of the above paths...

trvlr


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