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Name: zbob
Date: August 27, 2006 at 11:54:13 Pacific
OS: windows xp
CPU/Ram: amd
Comment:

I have a sony vgp-mca10 memory card adapter and sandisk 1gb sd card. When I use this in a keyboard situation it works fine, however, when I try to use it on my pc it is not recognised. If I switch cards to a flash memory of 64mb it works ok on the pc. Can anyone advise if I can get the 1gb card working on the pc and how please.



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Response Number 1
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: August 27, 2006 at 13:05:15 Pacific
Reply:

Clear as mud.

First off, San Disk is a brand, not a type of flash memory module or card. The type or types of card(s) the adapter will read is what is important. The type can be CF (Compact Flash), SD (Secure Digital), XDM, Memory Stick, etc.
A SD type does not stand for San Disk - it stands for the Secure Digital type.

"When I use this in a keyboard situation it works fine, however, when I try to use it on my pc it is not recognised."

Does the keyboard have a flash card reader slot or slots, and the 1gb card works fine in that?
Or does the Sony adapter work with the 1gb SanDisk type of card in a keyboard usb port?

"If I switch cards to a flash memory of 64mb it works ok on the pc."

With a card in the Sony adapter, or does the PC have (a)flash card reader slot(s)?
If it is a card, San Disk or whatever brand it is, what type is this 64mb one?
If not, is it some standalone unit with integral memory?
.....

Read the install instructions for the memory card adapter.
E.g. -
you may have to install a driver for it, or follow a certain procedure to install a driver XP already has -
- you may have to install the driver first, then plug in the adapter, or visa versa, in order for it to be recognized properly or for Windows to not install a default driver that does not work with it.


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Response Number 2
Name: zbob
Date: August 28, 2006 at 03:36:57 Pacific
Reply:

OK First whats being used. Sony vgp-mca10 is the card reader; Sandisk 1gb sd card (secure digital). Mitsubishi 64mb flash memory card (CF, compact flash). Keyboard (sorry) its a musical keyboard not pc keyboard. Well I hope thats clearer, when I place the card reader in the pcmcia slot with the 1gb sd card inserted the pc dosnt recognise it. If I change the sd card and put the cf card in its place in the card reader, the pc reads the info on the cf card ok. To confirm that the card reader and 1gb sd card was working ok (the sd card placed in the card reader, and the card reader placed in the pcmcia slot in the musical keyboard) this worked fine. By the way the card reader is a multi adapter, ie will read sd, cf, mmc etc


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Response Number 3
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: August 28, 2006 at 08:27:35 Pacific
Reply:

That's a lot clearer.
Most of the people who post here have desktop computers, as do most of the people who answer questions. It is always helpful for you to state you have a laptop/notebook since we tend to assume you have a desktop computer if you don't state otherwise.

If the drivers for the keyboard PCMCIA slot (I haven't heard of a PCMCIA slot in a keyboard before, but some have flash card reader slots, which are quite different) and the computer PCMCIA slot were installed automatically by Windows, XP usually does a pretty good job of finding the right drivers but it sometimes makes mistakes. If you installed drivers yourself for the PCMCIA slot support, it also isn't hard to mistakenly install default Windows drivers instead of the ones that you intended to install, especially if you let Windows find the drivers rather than directing it to the location of the drivers you intended to install. Also, if your laptop/notebook has older PCMCIA slot technology than the keyboard slot does, it may not fully support the Sony reader adapter.
You could try:
- load the motherboard chipset drivers for the laptop/notebook. If you have ever set up Windows from scratch on your computer, or have re-loaded Windows, you should always load the chipset drivers after Setup to ensure that Windows has the proper information about your mboard, and it's PCMCIA slot. If you are not sure they have been loaded, loading them again can do no harm. Sometimes there are newer chipset drivers available than were originally available that work better.
However, if your laptop/notebook has older PCMCIA slot technology than the keyboord slot does, it may still not fully support the Sony reader adapter.
- look on the Sony site for t-shooting info for the adapter.
- un-install, re-install the Sony adapter drivers if there were any other than ones built into Windows. If there are newer drivers available than you originally used, use the newer drivers. If there were no special drivers that came with the adapter, un-install, re-install the Sony adapter Windows built in drivers, making sure you follow the right procedure. Of course, if you can find or have the install directions, follow them.

If none of that helps, there may be nothing you can do about this problem. At least you have the situation that the adapter works properly when in the keyboard slot.

If you have USB ports on the laptop/notebook, you could obtain another inexpensive card reader adapter for just SD, but it isn't necessarily a given it will cure the problem, especially if this is an older laptop/notebook, and/or you have USB 1.x and not USB 2.0.


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Response Number 4
Name: zbob
Date: August 29, 2006 at 02:20:25 Pacific
Reply:

ok thanks for info. The card reader didnt come with any drivers so I will take a look on sony site. My laptop has usb 2, so that is another route to investigate. I did look at the drivers xp have given on my laptop, however, none were for sony, so I let windows find a suitable driver. It does appear that the sony adapter works fine when the memory card is low (ie the cf 64mb card)but as you say sony may have the answer/driver.
My laptop came fully loaded with xp from Packard Bell so I only have the recovery disk. In this case where and how will I be able to re-load the motherboard chipset drivers please. Sorry for ignorance but at 70 am struggling to stay in the 21st century.


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Response Number 5
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: August 29, 2006 at 12:06:44 Pacific
Reply:

All or most of the files that support a flash card reader are often built into Windows, so when you look at the Driver details, they may all be or mostly be standard Windows files. Most driver installs for devices are primarily, or sometimes only, *.inf files - information files - that tell Windows which files it already has to use with that device. Sometimes there are also special files included with the drivers other than the *.inf files that Windows doesn't come with that are added to Windows somewhere in order to make the device work properly, including special device driver files.
For a flash card reader, there may or may not be drivers with *.inf files with or without additional special files needed, for the Sony adapter in this case - if nothing special is needed just following the proper install directions is sufficient - if custom drivers for the flash card reader are needed the install directions will tell you how to install them.
I have seen people report that some flash card readers will only recognize cards up to a certain size with the standard Windows files - e.g. 512mb - probably because when XP was released ones larger than that were rare or non-existant.
E.g. when you are running XP Windows Setup, even if SP2 is included, it can't recognize a flash memory device, such as card reader with a card in it, larger than 512mb, and you may also need to have a fairly recent mboard and bios, or if it does, it won't see that larger than 512mb amount until the latter stages of Setup.

"My laptop came fully loaded with xp from Packard Bell so I only have the recovery disk. In this case where and how will I be able to re-load the motherboard chipset drivers please. Sorry for ignorance but at 70 am struggling to stay in the 21st century."

You are doing very well for whatever your age - you are trying to learn enough to be able to figure out your problems. I'm 55 and I didn't start learning about computers until I was 37 or so myself. Like many older people, I went to school long enough ago that there were no personal computers in schools at that time.

If you have never re-loaded Windows, it's unlikely loading the chipset drivers will help, except in the rare case that there were problems with the chipset drivers and they were corrected in later versions that you can now get, or in the extremely rare case that some of the chipset driver files have been corrupted, such as by a power surge or spike and the power you plug into isn't protected from that, or you have somehow accidently deleted necessary files - it's more likely you need to investigate the installation directions, or possibly, whether special drivers are needed, for the Sony adapter.

If you have ever re-loaded Windows using the Recovery CD, it should load the proper chipset drivers automatically as well because that is what brand name system recovery CD's normally do by default.

If you have re-loaded Windows using a standard Windows XP CD then you would need to install the chipset drivers again.


If you do feel you need to try loading the mboard chipset drivers:

If you could supply the model number of your PBell laptop so that the mboard chipset it uses can be determined by us, the chipset drivers are often available at the laptop manufacturer's web site in the software downloads for that model and we can point you there, or in any case the latest drivers can be downloaded directly from the maker of the chipset - usually Intel, Via, NVidia, SiS, ATI, etc.
E.g. If it has a Via chipset, there is usually only one download needed because it includes everything needed for every main Via chipset.
For XP that's here, and the newest one should work fine:
http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420&OSID=1&CatID=1070

If you don't find a solution using what I have mentioned, since you have a fairly recent laptop with USB 2.0, you can always get yourself an inexpensive SD only card reader and it will probably work fine. You can usually find those at places that have a good variety of flash devices and card reader adapters.


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Response Number 6
Name: zbob
Date: August 30, 2006 at 04:51:26 Pacific
Reply:

Many thanks, thats really clear. The american site for Sony dosn't show a vgp-mca10 in there download list, and the english site has no download facilities at all, so I assume from that that there are no special drivers required.
I am running Xp SP2 with all the latest updates so I can assume all the drivers are up to date.
I have also just read from a review on this card reader that it will only accept 512Mb in windows.
I believe my easiest solution will be the usb route as you have suggested, or maybe I will swop the 1gb for a 512mb card as the latter would be sufficient for my use. (I only bought the 1gb as there was little difference in price).
Again thanks for your help. Regards


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Response Number 7
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: August 30, 2006 at 10:18:05 Pacific
Reply:

An inexpensive SD only card reader connected to a USB port will probably work fine. Some come with short USB extension cords (male type A one end, female type A on the other - those are more versatile.
......

Global site - Search - Advanced - English only
searched for vgp-mca10
results

http://www.sony.net/cgi-bin/search/electronics/search.cgi?q=vgp-mca10&restrictoption=global&lr=lang_en&ref_script=this

Excerpts:

Found here:
http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?CategoryName=acc_PCAccessories_Memory&ProductSKU=VGPMCA10&TabName=comp&var2=

*The VGP-MCA10 does not support memory cards with capacity of 2GB and over.
**Only Sony branded Memory StickĀ® media is recommended to use with the adapter.

Found here:
http://vaio-online.sony.com/prod_info/accessory/vgp-mca10/main.html

*2 MagicGate function and high-speed data transmission are not supported.
*3
5.0V "SmartMedia" media and the ID function of "SmartMedia" media with IDs are not supported. SmartMedia is a trademark of Toshiba Corporation.
*4 "SD Memory Card" media copyright protection function is not supported.

Found here:
http://www.sony.com.my/sonystyle/product/productinfo_vaio.asp?Subcategoryid=157&SSub=471&ProModel=VGP-MCA10

*1 The adapter does not support "Memory Stick" media and "Memory Stick PRO" media using the MagicGate function, or high-speed data transfer. Does not support Memory Stick with capacity of 2GB and over. Compatibility confirmed with Sony branded "Memory Stick" media only.

*2 The adapter does not support 5.0V "SmartMedia" media or the ID function of "SmartMedia" media with IDs. Does not support SmartMedia with capacity of 2GB and over.

*3 The adapter does not support the "SD Memory Card" media copyright protection function. Does not support SD Memory Card with capacity of 2GB and over.

*4 Does not support MultiMediaCard with capacity of 2GB and over.
.......

I can find no confirmed evidence that this adapter supports SD cards only to 512mb, at least on a Sony laptop.
However, when I searched using Yahoo for vgp-mca10 , I did find that some people have found it does not work properly on some laptops/notebooks that are not Sony models.

This is the only one I found that said 512mb was the limit, and I don't think he had a Sony model laptop.
(yahoo, searched for vgp-mca10 1gb)

http://www.costcentral.com/proddetail/Sony_VGP_MCA10/VGPMCA10/E00664/reviews

Reviewed by: jason pk., from NYNY Date reviewed: Feb-22-2005
Summary:
max support for SD card is 512 i think.. just bought 1GB sd and it wont recognize..
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Other causes of this problem?

Flash memory cards of up to 512mb are usually formatted using the Dos/Windows FAT file system. 512mb is the maximum size that can be supported by FAT. Other cards of a larger capacity probably use a FAT32 or NTFS file system. The flash cards are already formatted when you buy them and will work in most devices as they are. However, if the card was formatted in the keyboard after that, the keyboard may be using a different formatting than XP recognizes.
You could try formatting the 1gb card in XP to see if XP will then recognize it in My Computer and Windows Explorer. Of course it would have to be empty of ant data you want to keep that isn't backed up elsewhere at that time because formatting it will make any data already on the card inaccessible. I don't know if the keyboard will still be able to read the card after that.
Control Panel - Administrative Tools - Computer Management - Disk Management
If the drive letter for the Sony adapter or removable media that is not a CD or DVD drive or a removable drive appears there, you can RIGHT click on it and choose Format - try FAT32 first, leave everthing else at defaults except possibly the label. Reboot and see if XP then recognizes the 1gb card. If it doesn't try formatting using NTFS.


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Response Number 8
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: August 30, 2006 at 12:28:20 Pacific
Reply:

What was I thinking?

The limit of the FAT file system is ~2 gb, not 512mb, which falls in line with Sony stating the adapter can't recognize cards beyond 2gb in size. Disregard that last paragraph unless the 1gb card was formatted in the keyboard, and if you do try formatting it in XP use the FAT file system only.


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Response Number 9
Name: zbob
Date: August 31, 2006 at 00:41:11 Pacific
Reply:

Hi T&W
well I looked up thru control panel, my C drive is NTFS and back-up FAT32, however, no other components listed.
The keyboard manual does state that it is required to format the SD card in the keyboard before use. It is a new keyboard so will most probably be using up to date file system, whereas my P/Bell easynote is most probably at least 3 years old.
Have taken on board re USB port and will purchase suitable adapter. Again many thanks your time.
Regards


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Response Number 10
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: August 31, 2006 at 08:41:57 Pacific
Reply:

"The keyboard manual does state that it is required to format the SD card in the keyboard before use. It is a new keyboard so will most probably be using up to date file system, whereas my P/Bell easynote is most probably at least 3 years old."

Some devices may use a format for a flash card that is not natively read by XP. Your XP, especially since it's been updated to SP2, should normally be able to read most flash cards because most use a standard formatting.
In other words, it would be wise to spend as little as you can for a USB connected card reader, because in the worst case it may not be possible to read the keyboard required formatting in XP even with the card reader.

If you could supply the make and model of the keyboard I could check that out, and if it does use oddball formatting possibly find out if there is something that could be added to XP so that you could read the card in XP if that's the case.


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Response Number 11
Name: zbob
Date: September 1, 2006 at 01:00:17 Pacific
Reply:

OK. PC is Packard Bell Easynote 6307, which has AMD Sempron. The keyboard is a Roland E-80. I cant see anything in manual to say what format its using, however, I am able to format a 64Mb CF card in the keyboard and then read that ok in the Pc using the same card reader. I think the main reason the manual (keyboard) says format first is that it formats and then also sets up a series of folders used by the keyboard for later use,ie "store styles", "store songs", etc.
I dont think this should cause any problems though.


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Response Number 12
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: September 1, 2006 at 08:16:13 Pacific
Reply:

I have some old Roland dot matrix printers. Last time I checked the Roland that sold the printers (actually re-branded Panasonic ones with similar printer emulations) was a Canadian company. Are you in Canada? I am.

I'll check to see if I can find further info about the E-80's card formatting.


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Response Number 13
Name: zbob
Date: September 3, 2006 at 04:07:33 Pacific
Reply:

Hi T&W
no from England. Also have loaned a Dane-Elec pcmcia adapter and having the same problem,ie the Pc not recognising. However, they do supply drivers for some of their adapters so have e-mailed to request if they could supply one for this adapter I have loaned. In the meantime have sorced a usb adapter so will buy that if all else fails.


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