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Rimm (rambus) vs DDR

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Name: Bart Kiefer
Date: November 3, 2002 at 13:42:35 Pacific
OS: xp pro
CPU/Ram: 1.5 p4 640 rimm
Comment:

Hi all I've got a question. Which is better. Rambus or DDR. I know that rambus is a hell of a lot quicker than ddr but then again rimm is only 16 bit. maybe ddr is quicker or what. Any thoughts. Thanks



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Response Number 1
Name: n3985
Date: November 3, 2002 at 15:36:16 Pacific
Reply:

if you have or going to have a P4 that is 2.53GHz or +, get RDRAM, if less, get DDR. Only at 2.53 or more will the bandwith of RDRAM be really used and its full performance seen.


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Response Number 2
Name: Andy Hayes
Date: November 3, 2002 at 15:42:55 Pacific
Reply:

Heres a link to a page on Tom's Hardware Guide - "DDR KIlls RAMBUS". mayb u saw it b4. if you don't want to read it, heres what they come up wit:
Fasest: RAMBUS 1066
Then DDR400
Then DDR333
Then RAMBUS 800.

but they have different chipsets etc.


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Response Number 3
Name: Death-Knight
Date: November 3, 2002 at 16:25:39 Pacific
Reply:

RDRAM has 32-Bit too if you don't know. There's stand alone RDRAM with 32-bit. like Andy said, 533Mhz is the fastest right now.

~Death-Knight~


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Response Number 4
Name: Bart
Date: November 3, 2002 at 18:23:30 Pacific
Reply:

533 mhz for rimm? my rambus I've got now is 800 mhz non ecc maybe were talking about something else death. But thanks for the follow up guys I will have to look up that site. Thanks guys


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Response Number 5
Name: Death-Knight
Date: November 3, 2002 at 18:37:12 Pacific
Reply:

There's no RAM that runs 800Mhz, it's PC800, DOES NOT mean 800Mhz. PC1066 DOES NOT equal to 1066Mhz, it's only 533Mhz. So if you said PC800 is 800Mhz, then why ppl borther getting RDRAM since the Highest is 1066? They should all go for DDR which is PC3500, you would think that acutally 3500Mhz, but it's only 433Mhz. You should do a research on it Bart

~Death-Knight~


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Response Number 6
Name: bart
Date: November 3, 2002 at 19:00:59 Pacific
Reply:

death
I've got 800 mhz rambus. I know because i've got 640 megs of it in my computer.

i've also put a link in here. I hope I done it right if not the link is.

http://www.googlegear.com/jsp/ProductList.jsp?ThirdCategoryCode=011107

Thanks death


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Response Number 7
Name: Death-Knight
Date: November 3, 2002 at 19:04:42 Pacific
Reply:

I know that on some site it says 800Mhz, but they really meant PC800 not 800Mhz, PC800 is 400Mhz, I have 1 Gig of RDRAM PC800. Believe me the fastest is RDRAM PC1066 533Mhz

~Death-Knight~


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Response Number 8
Name: n3985
Date: November 3, 2002 at 19:51:46 Pacific
Reply:

bart, death is right, it's PC800, not 800MHz, think logic, the RAM cannot have higher speed than the mobo's bus speed. If for example, the mobo is running at 533MHz FSB, how cna the RAM be 800?


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Response Number 9
Name: Bart
Date: November 3, 2002 at 20:24:24 Pacific
Reply:

I understand where you both are coming from but my whole problem then is why do they keep repeatedly saying 800 mhz on those sites then. is it their f--- up or what? I don't want to make enemies here because i've learned quite a bit and sorry if i've came across that way. So as for now the fastest memory between rdram and ddr is the 1066 rdram correct. sorry for the miscommunication guys. NO hard feelings??


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Response Number 10
Name: Death-Knight
Date: November 3, 2002 at 20:31:50 Pacific
Reply:

No problem Bart, probably their site web master was typed wrong or they misundertood RAM. We here to make you understand the fact, not to fight with you.

~Death-Knight~


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Response Number 11
Name: Bart
Date: November 3, 2002 at 20:35:45 Pacific
Reply:

thanks death for clearing that all up with me. Thanks alot once again.
Bart

also death how do you type in colors like that? that's pretty cool.


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Response Number 12
Name: something else
Date: November 4, 2002 at 14:01:17 Pacific
Reply:

its rated at 800mhz, because it runs in pairs.


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Response Number 13
Name: geekazoid
Date: December 3, 2002 at 11:57:48 Pacific
Reply:

It's not the "pairs". RDRAM and DDR are rated at double their actual frequency because unlike SDRAM they they are capable of data transmission at the top AND bottom of the frequency sine wave...which is two times per clock cycle (MHz) Processors are the same way....a Pentium 4 400MHz front side bus is actually running on a "quadra pumped" 100MHz FSB....thus it is capable of data transmission four times per bus clock cycle. And a 266MHz FSB Athlon XP is actually running on a DDR (Double Data Rate) 133MHz bus. Hope this helps.


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Response Number 14
Name: Karl
Date: December 7, 2002 at 10:44:26 Pacific
Reply:

Hello,

I'm about to buy a new computer before the end of the year but I'm not a "pro" when it comes to computer components and I'm a little confused about some things, one of them being what kind of RAM is best. So far, I've chosen 5 configurations that seem good for their price but they differ in the RAM description:

512MB DDR 333MHz
512MB RDRAM, 2 RIMM modules of 256MB (PC800)
512MB DDR 266MHZ - CHIPSET APOLLO PRO
512MB DDR PC333

Two of the configurations have the Chipset Apollo (whatever that is) but which is best? They're all 512MB, but that's all I know.

Any imput apreciated, thanks.


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Response Number 15
Name: cink
Date: December 9, 2002 at 21:16:05 Pacific
Reply:

Hi,

Maybe I'm wrong but, still... I did a test.

I took my XP2000+ IDE ATA133 with 512m of DDR333mhz (WINXP-PRO)
and
My p3 933mhz SCSI ATA160 with 768m of RDRAM PC800 (WIN2000-PRO). (sorry just sold my p4 1.3ghz scsi with 512rdram who would give best results...)

ANYWAY, here the results:

FOR THE DDR333MHZ:
Summary: 2591 RAM MB/s
Memory Read Speed (MB/s): 1120
Memory Write Speed (MB/s): 4171
Memory Copy Speed (MB/s): 2482
Installed RAM (MB): 512
Free RAM (MB): 341
Memory used (%): 33
Page File Driver: 32-bit
Total Page File (MB): 1183
Free Page File (MB): 1055

And HERE THE RDRAM-PC800
Summary: 2199 RAM MB/s
Memory Read Speed (MB/s): 1978
Memory Write Speed (MB/s): 3075
Memory Copy Speed (MB/s): 1542
Installed RAM (MB): 768
Free RAM (MB): 662
Memory used (%): 13
Page File Driver: 32-bit
Total Page File (MB): 1876
Free Page File (MB): 1800

Other informations:
DDR CAN NOT read 4k,8 k,16k,32k and 64k block
but it can copy and write those block.

RDRAM CAN read, copy and write any size of block

here the details:

DDR33MHZ:::::::::
Read speed, 4 KB blocks, MB/s: 0
Read speed, 8 KB blocks, MB/s: 0
Read speed, 16 KB blocks, MB/s: 0
Read speed, 32 KB blocks, MB/s: 0
Read speed, 64 KB blocks, MB/s: 0
Read speed, 128 KB blocks, MB/s: 4292
Read speed, 256 KB blocks, MB/s: 4330
Read speed, 512 KB blocks, MB/s: 870
Read speed, 1024 KB blocks, MB/s: 860
Read speed, 2048 KB blocks, MB/s: 853
Write speed, 4 KB blocks, MB/s: 6241
Write speed, 32 KB blocks, MB/s: 6341
Write speed, 256 KB blocks, MB/s: 3535
Write speed, 2048 KB blocks, MB/s: 568
Copy speed, 4 KB blocks, MB/s: 4613
Copy speed, 32 KB blocks, MB/s: 4645
Copy speed, 256 KB blocks, MB/s: 338
Copy speed, 2048 KB blocks, MB/s: 333

RDRAM::::::::::::::
Read speed, 4 KB blocks, MB/s: 3469
Read speed, 8 KB blocks, MB/s: 3499
Read speed, 16 KB blocks, MB/s: 3460
Read speed, 32 KB blocks, MB/s: 2179
Read speed, 64 KB blocks, MB/s: 2181
Read speed, 128 KB blocks, MB/s: 2179
Read speed, 256 KB blocks, MB/s: 1858
Read speed, 512 KB blocks, MB/s: 322
Read speed, 1024 KB blocks, MB/s: 317
Read speed, 2048 KB blocks, MB/s: 317
Write speed, 4 KB blocks, MB/s: 4412
Write speed, 32 KB blocks, MB/s: 3723
Write speed, 256 KB blocks, MB/s: 3890
Write speed, 2048 KB blocks, MB/s: 275
Copy speed, 4 KB blocks, MB/s: 3829
Copy speed, 32 KB blocks, MB/s: 1915
Copy speed, 256 KB blocks, MB/s: 246
Copy speed, 2048 KB blocks, MB/s: 178

NOTE: DONT FORGET THIS: DDR WAS ON XP2000+ AND RDRAM WAS ON P3 933MHZ.

I don't know if that will help you guys (even if we have a big gap between the two cpu) but if I do, good.

And if you have anything to had, lets go, I always want to learn more.


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Response Number 16
Name: Ian
Date: December 9, 2002 at 22:35:41 Pacific
Reply:

For a while I have been wondering the difference between DDR and RAMBUS. I understand now that RAMBUS as well as DDR are rated at double their actual frequency. Thus RAMBUS 800 has an actual frequency of 400 but when used it's doubled to 800... thats why in my TigerDirect issue as well as all other memery spotings of RAMBUS 800 it has 800 MHZ!!! Thus Bart has been correct all along. But I have found that DDR is in true faster for the most part, check out this...

http://www.inqst.com/articles/ddrvrambus/ddrvrambusmain.htm


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Response Number 17
Name: maya
Date: December 11, 2002 at 02:12:33 Pacific
Reply:

i have a few question
1. is there any rambus pc 800 with one modul only right now?
2. i have read Tom Hardware and i found that DDR333(PC2700)can overpower rambus pc800. how can it happen?if we look the bandwith, pc 800 can deliver data 3,2 GB/s and ddr pc 2700 only 2,7 GB/s


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Response Number 18
Name: MATT NICHOLES
Date: December 13, 2002 at 14:02:08 Pacific
Reply:

I am very good with rambus becuase it goes in an out of my ass> i am gay? yes__ i love to ram ypur bus.
go for ram bus

suck my lil balls


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