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Name: Coliver
Date: July 18, 2005 at 15:18:03 Pacific
Subject: Quiet Cooling?
OS: Windows XP
CPU/Ram: AMD64 FX 55 / 2 Gb PC3200
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Hello Forums:

I'm looking for a way to possibly cool my computer more efficiently and quietly. I have about 6 fans and the noise is killing me.

What are some other alternative solutions to this? Paying $$$ isn't a problem.

Also, I heard that Liquid Cooling is quite risky, is this true?


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Response Number 1
Name: Janos
Date: July 18, 2005 at 17:18:33 Pacific
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have a good look at some of the aftermarket high qulaity cpu, vga, and chipset coolers.

Zalman, Gigabyte, Thermaltake are just a few which make high qulity aftermarket coolers which run very very quiet indeed.

But bare in mind that the thermal and sound properties of your case make a huge difference also.

The thermaltake case fans, are very high qulaity abnd vertualy silent, while giving you good airflow.

Hope that helps

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Response Number 2
Name: rhawk7938
Date: July 18, 2005 at 17:48:10 Pacific
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You should not need more than 1 for intake and 1 for exhaust, if properly sized and located.
Adding a whole bunch of fans will likely just cause turbulence inside the case and more noise. It is doubtful that it will provide any additional cooling, and possibly will have the opposite effect.


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Response Number 3
Name: jam
Date: July 18, 2005 at 17:58:30 Pacific
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excellent answer rhawk...couldn't have said it better myself ;)

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Response Number 4
Name: Coliver
Date: July 18, 2005 at 18:46:15 Pacific
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Hey, I didn't want the 6 extra fans. If I had a gun, I'd probably do something violent with them.

Thanks for your input. I'll take a look at better fans indeed.


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Response Number 5
Name: Janos
Date: July 18, 2005 at 19:07:30 Pacific
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Nice website Coliver !!

Nice tune !!

Having a bunch of fans in a case need not be a burden if the fans are chosen correctly.

Just a small example for you, take the Thermal take xaser series cases.

Alumimum construction, large tower, 7 fans 2 at the back 2 at the side, 2 in the front and 1 on the top.

And after instaling all the equipment and everything is connected to the supplied controller you cante hear the thing, and that is with the case on the desktop.

Place it on the floor abit further away as such and it is almost silent.

My personal case is a skyhawk, with 4 case fans, aftermarket cpu cooler, vga cooler and a aftermarket chipset cooler.

The fans are thermaltake yes, and it sits right next to me on the desktop and it is very very quiet. But it took time to research what is the quietest without compromising eficiency.

Like coliver said if they were so noisy I would have done something voilent LOL. But we dont always controll what we are given to use so we put up with it.

But things can be made to run quieter with little effort, and a bit of time,and usualy with a little extra if the job is not done correctly to start with.

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Response Number 6
Name: jam
Date: July 18, 2005 at 21:04:20 Pacific
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overkill & a waste of money

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Response Number 7
Name: Janos
Date: July 18, 2005 at 21:26:01 Pacific
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Perhaps so Jam but we are all individulas and we all do what suits us the best.

All we can do here is offer a fair piece of advice as we see it at the time, but its still up to the individual..

Some of these cases etc may be an over kill I agree with that but they are designed and built for a purpose, if the purpose of use doesnt require such a component than dont buy it..

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Response Number 8
Name: ...
Date: July 19, 2005 at 00:28:52 Pacific
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Install a fan controller. I have 6 case fans (doesn't include CPU, graphics, or PSU fans)...and I keep them running low at 50%. When I need to, I can bump up the speed to cool it down. I have an aftermarket CPU cooler, etc...but certain programs will cause my computer to crash if I don't provide enough cooling.

You can also check out reviews and stuff on silentpcreview.com. Some components are inherently loud (like certain PSU's, hard drives, fans). Some cases can also be the cause of noise. For example, the vibration from a fan might get transferred into the case, causing it to vibrate and make noise. Currently, when my computer is at its quietest...the only noise I can hear is from my hard drives transferring vibrations into the case...if I push on the hard drives, the computer becomes extremely silent.

Just know that silencing your computer can cost quite a bit. You might want to buy new fans (ie: cpu fan), etc.

Switching to watercooling might be an option, but depending on the setup you choose, it could still come with a noisy pump/motor. It's mostly for people who want to overclock their computers to the extreme.


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Response Number 9
Name: Dirty_Sanchez
Date: July 19, 2005 at 03:39:20 Pacific
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I may have missed it but, why do you need 6 fans? are you overclocking, have a high ambient temp? you may just need to tie back your ide cables (or get braided ones) to not block the existing flow.


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Response Number 10
Name: Coliver
Date: July 19, 2005 at 10:03:57 Pacific
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The computer CAME with six fans. I didn't install it.


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Response Number 11
Name: jam
Date: July 19, 2005 at 14:16:46 Pacific
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Here's something to ponder...

An average 80mm fan moves air at about 30 cubic feet per minute (some more, some less). Another way to look at it would be, 0.5 cubic feet per sec. An 18" x 18" x 8" mid tower case has a volume of about 1.5 cubic feet. So theoretically, a single 80mm fan can completely refresh the air in the case in 3 seconds, or 20 times a minute.

It's generally best to have the system in balance or under a slight negative pressure (more air out, than in). Ideally, you want the air to flow from the front to the rear (or top). Side panel fans are usually disruptive to this front to rear airflow. A side panel fan does work well when ducted directly toward the CPU though...it then acts as a dedicated fresh air source for the HSF.

This site is a bit outdated, but if you scroll to the bottom, the pic gives a decent representation of good airflow:

http://www.bluemax.net/techtips/ATXPowerSupplyWiring/ATXPowerSupplyWiring.htm

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Response Number 12
Name: Janos
Date: July 19, 2005 at 17:11:16 Pacific
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I wouldn't stress to much about the fans Coliver we all have our own opinion on such matters regardless of what the so called experts say.

We all have our own personal needs and preferences, and yours as I suspected was one of no choice. But i am critical of the individual who 1 purchased the rig in this manner and 2 the individual or company that supplied the unit. They should have kept the noise level in mind when building the rig.

I suspect that your type of work was looked at, and it was probably considered that you would need to keep your rig cool in order to use all the necessary tools, which increases the work load on the graphics card and the cpu, the most.

Most of the stuff which Jam posted in post no 11 I tend to agree with. More air out than in does have a positive cooling effect.

My system is built with this specific criteria in mind. For jams information and for those who may think this may be of benefit to them in the future.

When choosing a case, look at the aluminium ones in particular the ones which quote material thickness of 1mm or above.
The noise absorption, and heat dispersion properties are second to none. The actual size of the case itself, bigger is not necessarily better.
Hence my choice of a Skyhawk psr series case with side window and fan.

The case came with 3 fans which I changed over to the Thermaltake low noise high volume fans.

The front intake is located directly in front of the 2 raided drives, the drives are separated by leaving a space between the 2, the air actually passes over the top and bottom surface of each drive and than pushed back into the case, with little obstruction.

The side extraction fan is located directly behind the hard drives and in line with the top drive, so most of the hot air produced by the drives is extracted here.

The rear of the case has 2 exhaust fans enclosed in a plastic housing with the directional fins facing the cpu cooler, the housing is big enough to drop down to the top of the video card where any hot air from the top of the card is removed here also, the top fan helps to remove additional hot air from the case in conjunction with the 120mm fan in the power supply.

Three of the four case fans are connected to the power supply fan only connector which in turn increases the speed of the three fans as it needs to.

I have fitted a gigabyte pure copper cooler with a speed controller on the cpu, using the supplied paste, which is the same compound as used by the cpu manufacturers for their heatsink's Shinitzu I think it is called. The reason I chose this cooler was simply cos I already had it on my previous p4 and is suitable for the amd64, it is very heavy so care needs to be taken with such coolers when fitting.

The base of it is just large enough to cover the core cover of the cpu, with maybe an mill or two of over lap. This leaves the area around the cpu socket open to additional air circulation thus helping to keep this area cooler also. Something which the factory coolers do not do as they cover the entire socket base area.

In the highly unlike;y event that I would use the rig for gaming, I fitted a high quality aftermarket vga cooler from Zalman, and with the design of the fins it overlaps the NF4 chipset cooler and provides additional air flow over the chipset heatsink and fan. Due to its size and speed at 12v i changed the fan over to the 5v rail which gave me a max speed of 1600rpm more than enough for my purpose.

Than came the chipset heatsink and fan, factory fit spinning at 8000rpm although the thing worked fine the noise was beyond imagination, so after some research I fitted a Thermaltake Crystal orb vga cooler, a very tight fit for any of you who have the a8n sli deluxe board of the a8n-e board. Due to the size of the vga cooler using a passive heat sink was out of the question.

The crystal orb was the right diameter and height, but be warned that you will need to sue the original locking pins with the spiral spring from the original asus heat sink, the metal spring supplied by Thermaltake interfere with the mother board on one side and could cause a short circuit, so be careful when removing the original pins, you will need them.

Further to this I changed the orb fan to run on the 5v rail reducing the max speed from 5500 rpm to 2670rpm with no loss in cooling efficiency.

After some careful component selection, a bit of extra time setting it up, making sure that all cables are secured and routed correctly to maximise air flow through the case I have managed to achieve a superb level of cooling without sacrificing the noise level.

Further more all components report a much reduced temperature levels, which in the long run will pay dividend, by increasing the life of all components in the rig.

And this is what we all try and achieve as we all know the biggest killer of pc's is heat..

I hope the information above can be of some benefit to others...

AS for Coliver's problem I am sure that some quieter fans, will fix the noise problem, or perhaps an investment in a speed controller might even help. It just depends on the rig and case specifications.

Kind regards

IF IT AINT BROKE, DONT FIX IT

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Corsair 2x512 DDR400 Dual Channel
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Ggbyte GT Pro CPU Cooler
Zalman VF700-CU VGA Cool


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Response Number 13
Name: johnoh
Date: July 19, 2005 at 20:49:46 Pacific
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"The computer CAME with six fans. I didn't install it."

take the computer cover off and unplug all the fans except the one covering the cpu. run the machine and listen. if you like how it sounds the odds are high that your computer will run forever with just the cpu fan, even with the cover back on. some here will call that cpu abuse, but the cpu can take it and has no feelings, so why not.

Then play with the cpu fan speed. Someone may have a link to a program that lets you control cpu fan speed using software. Otherwise try a fan controller or just a slower fan.


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