Problem with installing Leadtek TV Tuner

Amd Athlon xp 2000+ processor
July 28, 2011 at 07:29:15
Specs: windowsxp, xp2000/2gig
Hi i was having trouble installing my previous tv tuner card after a fresh install of XP so i thought i should just pull it out and get rid of the software then buy another device. It gave me headaches before plus it is just anologue anyway. I routed it through the stb and everything used to be fine then i got the blue screen of death and i though better to start again.
Anyway i bought a Leadtek Winfast DTV Dongle Gold. When i use the software driver it installs but the last thing the system tells me is that the driver is not installed properly and may not work. You know one of those yellow bubbles that happens in the sytray. Anyway i try to use the software anyway that has installed from the cd and i get an error saying thatwmvcore.dll is missing. So i download it i think from the site 'missing-dll's" , Not sure of the name now as that was hours ago. After several reboots i still have the same problem. The other thing i noticed is that there is no light showing ont he dongle. Not sure if this is normal or not as i have never had a usb tv tuner before only pci's. I also removed and reinstalled the driver....or tried to several times. No progress there as far as i know or is the dongle faulty?

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#1
July 28, 2011 at 08:21:48
Hello, again !


You MUST follow the installation instructions.

Most "drivers" installations are not just the drivers - there is usually other software that must be installed properly along with the actual drivers.

E.g. these things usually apply...

DO NOT plug in the device into a USB port until AFTER you have installed the software for the device, unless the instructions tell you otherwise !

DO NOT install drivers for the device when Found New Hardware pops up for the device, BEFORE you have installed the software for the device, unless the instructions tell you otherwise !

If you DID do either of those things, and if the instructions DID NOT tell you otherwise, then you need to un-install the software for the device and install it again the right way !
,,,,,,,,,,

If you DID follow the installation directions....

It is a VERY good idea to DISABLE the resident module(s) (a component that runs all the time in the background looking for suspicious activity) from running of all anti-malware software or third party software firewalls you have installed BEFORE you install software yourself, because sometimes the resident module interferes with the proper installation of the software, and you usually get no indication of that having caused the problem(s) while installing the software or after you have attempted to install the software.
When you're sure the software you have installed is working properly, enable the resident moldule(s) again.

Never have the resident module(s) for more than one anti-malware or third party software firewall program running at the same time, otherwise they are likely to clash with each other and cause you problems . Some anti-malware software has a software firewall built into it - e.g. the paid version or trial version of AVG 2011. Some anti-malware software behaves like a software firewall - e.g. AdAware and Spybot.

You may need to plug the device into a diifferent USB port.

Troubleshooting USB device problems including for flash drives, external drives, memory cards.
See Response 1:
http://www.computing.net/answers/ha...



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#2
July 28, 2011 at 08:26:40
OK i will try that now but what is a resident modular....thanks Tubes your the best!

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama
I have the free version of avg and your right i did stick the usb dongle in first. I should know better.

Can't find the resident Module. Is there another name for it. I am clueless with windows now. I so rarely use that machine with windows on it :0)


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#3
July 28, 2011 at 09:41:15
OK well i presumed you meant the firewall within winxp so i disabled that. Anyway as soon as i put the cd in it came up that i must stick the tuner in the usb port. Everything seemed to go well. There was an error just before the reboot it told me to do but it said that i might need a reboot to make whatever happen. Can't remember the wording. Anyway i rebooted and i still have this damn error saying 'DVBTAP.EXE - unable to locate component
The application has failed to start because WMVCore.dll was not found. Re-installing the application may fix this problem'. Extact same error as before.
Oh i should mention that the instruction book is like most....without instructions lol. The booklet mostly referes to internal pci devices and there is only one page about the dongle...which is note that mentions nothing to do with installing. No step by step at all. Anyway the software told me what to do but we still have this error

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama
Just thought of something else. Could the software that goes with the nvidia video card conflict with this. I heard or read somewhere that that happens. I have a Nvidia control panel on the Control panel of the OS and there is a part mentioning Television. Well video and television...
I know there was something else i had thought of but it has escaped my brain!


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#4
July 28, 2011 at 10:03:19
OK found this page. Bit late for me to read everything but some interesting hints maybe? http://www.tv-cards.com/messageboar...

Also the dongle is only mentioned once int he sound whatever part of device manager. Instead it should be listed several times. Sorry not choosing the right words i know. Needs to sleep. Been battling for hours....thanks :0)

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#5
July 28, 2011 at 12:18:52
"I have the free version of avg"

Disable the Resident Shield in it - that's it's resident module.

Resident module is my generic description of what it is. It's called various things by various programs, the common thing being it runs in the background all the time Windows is running, looking for suspicious activity. Some program suites have more than one of them.
There is always some way of disabling the resident module, either by choosing to not load it, you choose when to load it again, or by choosing to not load it for a specified time period - the latter enables the resident module again when the computer is Restarted, and is useless if more software must be installed after a Restart, or if the time runs out before you have installed all the software, before you Restart.

Only the paid and trial versions of AVG 2011 (a.k.a. AVG 10.x ) have a software firewall built in.

Is that the only anti-malware program or third party software firewall you have installed ?

'OK well i presumed you meant the firewall within winxp so i disabled that. "

I said a third party software firewall, as in, you install it separately, it's not included in Windows.
Some anti-malware programs have a built in software firewall, or behave like a software firewall, as I mentioned above, and in any case, third party firewalls automatically disable the Windows firewall if installed and enabled. .

Windows built in firewall rarely if ever causes problems while installing software - I never disable it before installing software - but sometimes you need to tweak certain settings after you have installed software in it's configuration, e.g. to allow some file the program uses to not be blocked by the firewall. It's not likely that applies in this case.
It's more likely to apply if you have a third party software firewall installed,

"Anyway as soon as i put the cd in it came up that i must stick the tuner in the usb port. "

If the software on the CD prompts you to do that, that's fine.

However, when the software installation wasn't working properly previously - obviously you were getting error messages - you should un-install the software BEFORE you try installing it again.
Trying to install the software "overtop" of the existing software installation often results in you getting the same error(s) you had before !
Disable the Resident Shield in AVG BEFORE you install the software again.

"There was an error just before the reboot it told me to do but it said that i might need a reboot to make whatever happen. Can't remember the wording. "

Sometimes you get an error message while installing the software, or before you have Restarted the computer after installing the software, that is actually premature and becomes false later - either the software installation corrects the problem later in the installation of the software, or the problem is fixed after you Restart, before Windows has fully loaded.

Why didn't you write down the message ?

"Could the software that goes with the nvidia video card conflict with this."

Extremely unlikely,

but on the other hand, nVidia doesn't seem to care if their software causes problems in some situations, as long as it causes no problems in most situations.

E.g. I had a problem with nVidia main chipset drivers causing problems with the video drivers for an ATI video card on one mboard, and as far as I know, they never have fixed that problem.It may only happen when the mboard has a certain nVidia main chipset, or certain ATI video chipset cards, but I gave up using that mboard because of the problem - the ATI card was an AIW card - TV tuner built in - that cost me more the mboard - the same video card worked fine on the next two mboards with their AMD main chipsets. .
..........

When you HAVE un-installed the software, and HAVE disabled the Resident Shield in AVG before installing it again, if you still get errors, copy down all of them, or at least the essential details of them, and we'll go from there.

Posts in that forum you found at the link in response 4 may be of help.
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If you had paid a bit more and had gotten something better such as an ATI chipset TV tuner card, you would probably have no problem installing the software for that..
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"Needs to sleep. Been battling for hours..."

As you know, there is a large time zone difference between where you are and where this web site is. Going by your previous Topics, you already know that you do not think your best when you're tired (the same applies to me) , so try to avoid that situation .



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#6
July 28, 2011 at 23:14:46
Ah ok now i understand. I actually shut down(closed) avg during the last install of the software for the udb dongle. Never had avg interfere with any other software. Only when it is a video capture device do i ever see this problem with winxp. I also go into msconfig so avg is only opened manually! I think it does reset that though if i open avg so every other time i would have to go back into msconfig and uncheck that it doesn't load int he systray. Not sure. Don't have time to check now.
So does this procedure disable to resident sheild?

I have superantispyware and haven't had time to get another that i normally use. I just want that machine to run for tv and capturing purposes really. I had also shutdown superantisparyware and the windows firewall. There is nothing else installed that is a firewall type thing.

Yes i have rarely seen a problem with the windows firewall. I don't know how to tweak it at all. I don't understand it i must admit.
Will this last attempt to stick in the usb stick it was the first time i saw popup ...this is when you must stick int he usb stick!
Yeah it is just that yellow bubble that happens in the systray. You know when your installing hardware. It will say yes it is installed and everything is great or not. That is the error i mean. Very common yellow bubble thing that windows puts out.
OK lemme know if the closing of avg via msconfig artup whatever the tab is called is the right thing to do...disables it or not :0)
OK will post on that other form later :0)
He he yeah lots of distance. I have CFS so no chance of me being more alert. If i am really sick i can't be ont he computer at all. This is an illness where i can't pick and choose times i am afraid that my brain works better. It is amazing i remembered anything to report back :0) Ah well it hopefully is a procedure problem and not hardware :0) Thanks

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#7
July 28, 2011 at 23:46:30
"So does this procedure disable to resident sheild? "

NO

There is nothing in msconfig - startup that prevents AVG from running if you disable it from loading. All you did was prevent the icon that allows you to access AVG from loading in the taskbar.
You have to go into the AVG program itself and disable the Resident Shield.

The AVG icon in the taskbar also shows AVG's status - whether something in it has been disabled (yellow triangle over it), or whether yoiu need to restartt the computer to complete the installtion of an upgrade to the program (something red over it).

When you install AVG 2011, the default is for it to make both a shortcut to the program on your desktop screen, and have the AVG access icon load in your Taskbar. Whether you had the shortcut on your desktop screen or not, you did not disable AVG and it's Resident Shield from running.

"I have superantispyware and haven't had time to get another that i normally use."

I have heard of that but I haven't tried it.
If you have installed that as well, it probably has a resident module too.

As I said in response 1....

"Never have the resident module(s) for more than one anti-malware or third party software firewall program running at the same time, otherwise they are likely to clash with each other and cause you problems ."

"I had also shutdown superantisparyware ..."

Similarly, most ant-mialware programs these days can't be disabled by disabling a line or lines in msconfig- startup.from loading. Usually , at most, all you can do there is prevent an icon for it from appearing in the taskbar, or prevent the program from auto-updating.


Now it's time for me to go to bed - 12:45 a.m. where I am, the next time zone to the east of this web site's. .



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#8
July 29, 2011 at 01:00:37
OK found the resident module in AVG and disabled. In superantispyware is it the thing called 'real-time protection'? It is unchecked
I didn't know about the resident sheild situation so ah well you have told me now :0)
Hope you have a nice rest. Will catch you later. Off to an event :0)

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#9
July 29, 2011 at 06:45:10
Ok will tried again and there was no yellow bubble in the systray saying that the hardware is not working. But i did get the wmvcore erro when i tried to run the pvr software. I tried the wiz, the pvr and the radio components and all gave me that erro without opening. I looked at device manager and under sound video and game controllers 'winfast dtv dongle gold bda device' is mentioned once. I can't see anything that referes to this device and i would thing there would be. I think though under system devices there are some new things i enever saw before like 'terminal server device redirector' and plug and play software device enumerator'. Still no light on the dongle :0) Noticed though that the remote is communicating . Like i can navigate with it on the desktop and open and close stuff.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#10
July 29, 2011 at 07:31:51
Found this page http://leadtek.com/eng/support/down...
Not sure if the drivers are more uptodate but thought i would try them :0)
OK damn that still didn't work. Still the same erro when i tried to run pv2 or the wiz program. OK i have a spare laptop that has xp on it. Will see if that machine will do this. Might not be enough spec like cpu and ram but i will try :0)

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#11
July 29, 2011 at 08:24:21
"OK found the resident module in AVG and disabled"

Good.

"In superantispyware is it the thing called 'real-time protection'?"

That sounds like it would be the resident module, but I haven't used the program or looked up it's settings.

"tried again and there was no yellow bubble in the systray saying that the hardware is not working."
"Noticed though that the remote is communicating ."

Good.
So - disabling those resident modules DOES make a difference !

"But i did get the wmvcore erro when i tried to run the pvr software. "

Did you un-install the software BEFORE you installed it again ?

"I looked at device manager ..."

Is anything marked there as not working properly ? A yellow ! or a red X ?
If no, the drivers themselves probably installed properly.

"Still no light on the dongle :0)"

I haven't installed many USB devices that require relatively sophisticated software to be installed for them, other than for printers.
The few times that I have installed a wireless network adapter, if the led did not light up, either the software had not been installed properly by the user previously, or the adapter had been damaged (the owner had probably dropped it).
The few times I have installed the USB adapter for a wireless mouse, I found that the drivers can install fine, there is nothing flagged as wrong in Device Manager, yet the wireless mouse may not work (someone had probably dropped either of or both the USB adapter and the wireless mouse).

If you don't have the dongle plugged into a port that is built into the mboard, try unplugging it and plugging into one of those.
........

If installing it on the laptop the proper way (does it have XP on it ?) yields the same results, then obviously the software for the tuner adapter has problems.
.........

Do you have SP3 updates installed in XP ?
If you don't, you MAY need to install them. Some recent software requires them to be installed, If so, if you can find System Requirements or Prerequisites for the TV tuner adapter, SP3 updates may be mentioned,


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#12
July 29, 2011 at 08:38:01
Yeah sounds like there is progress.
Yep i uninstalled ....before doing anything else...reinstalling whatever.
No there is not a yellow explanation mark or x in device manager anywhere.
Yep plugged the dongle into many ports even my linux machine and there is no light. When in my linux machine i do lsusb in the terminal and linux sees it.
Yes the old laptop has xp on it. Just booting it up now to try this.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#13
July 29, 2011 at 13:42:30
""But i did get the wmvcore erro when i tried to run the pvr software. "

Is that the ONLY error you were getting this last time ?

"i get an error saying thatwmvcore.dll is missing"

I searched the web with "wmvcore.dll is missing"

Apparently that's a common error

wmvcore.dll is a process belonging to the Windows Media program
Windows Media (video) Playback and Authoring library

It appears there is a different version for every Windows version - e.g. XP's is different from Vista's.

wmvcore.dll is supposed to be in C:\Windows\System32

It may not be missing but it's corrupted .

There is probably an identical copy of it in XP in C:\Windows\System32\dllcache

You could copy wmvcore.dll from C:\Windows\System32\dllcache to C:\Windows\System32.

If you can't see C:\Windows\System32\dllcache, it's a hidden folder by default.

Control Panel - Classic view - Folder Options - View

Click on the circle before Show hidden files and folders to place a dot in the circle.

Click on the checkmark in the box before Hide extensions for known file types to remove the checkmark.

Click on the checkmark in the box before Hide protected operating system files to remove the checkmark.

Click on OK at the bottom of the Folder Options window
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If that doesn't help....

Download and install Windows Movie Maker from the link below. It should overwrite any existing files.
http://downloads.yahoo.com/software...


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#14
July 30, 2011 at 01:30:13
Hmmmm yes thats the only error. Sounds interesting will just move things around so i can access the monitor again as i dragged a tv from the alleyway. I was feeling tv deficient lol. I tried to use that old laptop i was talking about but the cd just wasn't loading. Cd player not working? Possible....ah well will give your above solution a go :0)

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#15
July 30, 2011 at 07:31:35
So just to clarify is it windows media player that the system is after? I have some old version i think because it is just such a crap player i don't use it. I know the latest is version 11 and i don't have that because it is slow and crappy. I use VLC :)0
OK windows movie maker....i clicked that link and there is no download. It leads me to another page and there is nothing ther either. I looked all around the ms website and nothing. I think because they are close to discontinuing xp?

Is this a legit download http://www.brothersoft.com/windows-... ?
I don't know wether to trust it> One thing is that it says it is version 2.1 when you click the button yet in the review it talks about version 2.6....hmmmm

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#16
July 30, 2011 at 13:50:58
Did you try

"You could copy wmvcore.dll from C:\Windows\System32\dllcache to C:\Windows\System32.

If you can't see C:\Windows\System32\dllcache, it's a hidden folder by default."

(see above for how to make it visible.)

If that works, don't bother trying to install Windows Movie Maker !
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ONLY if that doesn't work, or doesn't get rid of the error, you could try loading Windows Movie Maker..

"OK windows movie maker....i clicked that link and there is no download."

Oops. There is a download if you click on the pop up bar that appears under the other bars at the top of the screen when the secuirity settings stop it from executing, and when you give it permission to download, it's oi_windows-XP.exe, whatever that is. It's too small to be the proper download.

Windows Movie Player is built into XP, at least it is when Windows has SP3 updates installed. .

It's listed in your All Programs list, but it's not listed in Add or Remove Programs, even in Add or Remove System Components or simiilar.

The purpose of trying to install it aqgain is to replace any corrupted files for it.

The highest version of Windows Movie Player that works with XP is probably 2.1 - version 2.6 will definately not work with XP.

The closet thing I can find to Windows Movie Maker 2.1

Go here;
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/...

Fun Packs - click on Windows Movie Maker 2

Presumably it's not just an update that requires the existing Windows Movie Maker to be already working properly.
....

If that doesn't help,
- running sfc /scannow will probably fix the files in the existing Windows Movie Maker, HOWEVER, you MUST use an XP CD thast has SP3 updates integrated into it as a source of files, if SP3 updates have been installed in Windows. .


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#17
July 31, 2011 at 02:21:04
Ok i think i might have missed out the info that i have Windows Fundamentals for Legacy Pc's which is like windowsxp....stepped down version. I got the SP3 anyway and there is no movie maker just like there isn't in sp2. Ummmmm so are we talking about windows media player or movie maker? Sorry you said player int he above post. Oh then you correct in the next bit. Ok its movie maker then. The fun pack as far as i know is not the program Movie Maker but just some extras or addons. I was reading up on it after googling. Gee i have never had any problems with other stuff with WinFLP so i never mention that is what i am using. I will have to take this device back tomorrow as i don't know what their refund policy is. :0(

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#18
July 31, 2011 at 08:09:33
"i have Windows Fundamentals for Legacy Pc's which is like windowsxp....stepped down version"

Why didn't you mention that previously !

In that case it may not have Windows Movie Maker built into it.
If it does, it's listed in the All Programs list, but it's not in Add or Remopve Programs.

"I got the SP3 anyway and there is no movie maker just like there isn't in sp2."

I said this....

" Windows Movie Player is built into XP, at least it is when Windows has SP3 updates installed."

because...

I don't know if Windows Movie Maker is only built into a regular Windows installation that has SP3 updates installed in it - I always install SP3 updates whenever I install Windows from scratch, so I have no regular Windows installations that do not have SP3 updates to examine.

"The fun pack as far as i know is not the program Movie Maker but just some extras or addons."

Why don't you just try installing it !

Did you look to see if you have wmvcore.dll in C:\Windows\System32 and C:\Windows\System32\dllcache .??

............

There are drawbacks to installing stripped down versions of XP.

If the Leadtek software installation expects wmvcore.dll to be in C:\Windows\System32 because a normal Windows installtion has Windows Movie Maker built into it, if it's not built into your oddball Windows installation, and if installing that download I found doesn't help, there is no solution to your problem, unless you install a regular Windows installation.


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#19
July 31, 2011 at 10:23:35
Sorry because i have never had a problem with it i didn't think to mention it :0)
You mean windows media player? Yes that is there. I think anyway. I usually don't install it because it is such a crap player. I don't know if i installed it this time round or not. It is hard to keep moving things around and rebooting the machine for one thing so i won't check ont hat onight. I have had to move the screen aside so i can see the tv and i have a limited of power points. Anyway the error happened so it is not because of that issue.
I read a few pages about the funpack that it was not the movie maker program,. It is the first thing i saw when i clicked ont hat site so it is the first thing i googled about.
Sorry no i didn't check about the dll because i downloaded and placed that dll myself. It could be the wrong one. How would i know? I placed it in two places and i don't know where. So i would be looking for something that is no good.
Well i got this version of xp years back because someone ripped me off on ebay when i though i was buying a genuine version of xp. I had used all my money and a friend gave me a pc with it installed and the cd. I have not had any serious money for a very long time. Long before computers. No use buying xp now when it will end its life i guess soon :0) Besides most of what i do is with linux so i will not be going up to other windows after doing most things in linux. If i do not get this device happening by tomorrow i will take it back. I have done some investigations and might get it working with linux yet :0) But if not by tomorrow it goes back to the shop ....ah well thanks for your efforts....it is appreciated :0) Sorry for my typos. As usual i am exhausted and ....well thats just life eh he he

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#20
July 31, 2011 at 11:35:41
"You mean windows media player?"

NO.
Why do you keep mentioning Windows Media Player ?

By the way, the Windows Media Player built version nto XP is relatively ancient and is not well supported these days and it can easily be replaced with a newer version, but you don't necessarily need the newest version of it, the newer it is, the more hard drive space that is required. .

It appears wmvcore.dll is a file that is part of Windows Movie Player !!

"Sorry no i didn't check about the dll because i downloaded and placed that dll myself. It could be the wrong one. How would i know? "

As I said above , it appears the version of wmvcore.dll must be correct for the version of windows !
E.g. the one for Vista probably will not work with XP !

Windows Movie Player version 2.1 definitely works with XP; version 2.6 definitely does not !

RIGHT click on wmvcore.dll - Properties - Version tab

Mine is version 11.0.5721.5275

I have SP3 updates installed - the version may be lower when they're not installed, or wmvcore.dll may not be there.

Windows Automatic update may install a newer version.

" I placed it in two places and i don't know where"

wmvcore.dll must be in C:\Windows\System32 in order for Windows to be able to use it

"So i would be looking for something that is no good."

I you HAD looked to see if wmvcore.dll was there in C:\Windows\System32 BEFORE you copied wmvcore.dll to C:\Windows\System32, it may have not been there, or it may have been there but it was corrupted.
If it WAS there, there is an identical copy of the original file in
C:\Windows\System32\dllcache (that's a hidden folder by default - if you don't see that, see response 13 above for how to make it appear).

I don't know if copying the proper version of wmvcore.dll to C:\Windows\System32 will get rid of your problem. The Leadtek software installation may require that all of the files for Windows Movie Maker for XP are installed. Sometimes Windows can't show you what the real problem is an generates a false error message about a file that is affected by another file or files being missing or corrupted instead. The Leadtek software may generate an error message about a different file being corrupted or missing when the correct version of wmvcore.dll has been installed in the right place.
...........

Have you been using that one stripped down version of XP on all the computers you've been fiddling with that you needed to install XP on ?

You do not need to buy a regular XP CD if you know anyone who has a (full version) XP CD that you can copy, but you need a CD that is a type for the same type of legitimate Product Key - OEM, Retail, or Volume licensed.

Whether SPx updates have been integrated into the Windows CD isn't important. If it doesn't have SP3 updatrs, you can use the CD to make yourself a "slipstreamed " CD, preferably a CD-R, that has had the SP3 updates integrated into it., and use that along with the proper orginal Product Key.

E.g.. if it's a brand name computer, the Product Key on the official Microsoft label on the outside of the case is usually an OEM Product Key.
The XP CD must be either an (OEM) XP Re-installation CD that came with the same model for the same version of XP - Home or Pro, as on the label ,
or a regular Microsoft OEM XP CD, for the same version of XP - Home or Pro, as on the label .
A regular Microsoft OEM XP CD has the Microsoft holograms on it, and has "For distribution with a new PC only." printed on it.

A generic desktop system often has an official Microsoft label on it that's for regular Microsoft OEM XP CD - OEM is often printed on it.

If you can no longer read the Product Key on the Microsoft label, or if it's missing
- if Windows is working, you can use a third party program to find the Product Key the XP installation you booted from is using.
- if Windows is not working properly but the Windows installation is still on the hard drive, you can use some third party programs to find the Product Key the Windows installation was using by connecting the drive to another computer that has the same working family of Windows on it, e.g. an XP version if XP is on the hard drive you can't load Windows from.
E.g. the freeware keyfinder, by JellyBean...., can do both of those things


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#21
July 31, 2011 at 20:58:16
Because you said the word 'player'.....that is what confused me :0)


I scored that dll file from a windowsxp home edition restore dell cd....would that do the job? Someone gave me the retsore cd last night.

Whats windows movie player? This is what is confusing me. Is it movie maker that we need or windows movie player? I am not aware of the player.


Yes i just remember guessing where to put the dll when i got it from wherever. I put it somewhere where dlls go but can't remember. I am aware now it should go where you said. Will look later tonight. Yes i have 'show hidden files on' I alaways do that.
Ok thanks for that info will try to get to this tonight....:0)

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#22
July 31, 2011 at 21:49:42
You haven't said whether your oddball XP version is based on XP Home.

You can copy files and load the Recovery Console from the Dell XP Re-installation CD or similar, but you probably CANNOT install Windows from scratch, or run a Repair installation of XP , unless the computer you use it with is the SAME Dell model as it came with, or in a small group of Dell models made about the same time, because certian files have been modified by Dell - it will probably refuse to do either of those things.

By the way, the version I quoted for wmvcore.dll was on XP MCE 2005, which has most things identical to XP Pro 32 bit. SP2.
SP3 updates have been installed in it.
It's probably the same on XP Home.
I've seen nothing about there being different versions of wmvcore.dll or Windows Movie Player for XP Home, XP Pro, XP Pro 64 bit, etc.


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#23
August 1, 2011 at 05:23:07
Based on XP pro :0)
No my computer is not a Dell so i gather the cd is useless that way. Just thought i could grab whatever from it....copy it whatever. Anyway is ee that is not possible.....anyway should get on the machine and check some things soon and get back on here. Don't give me more tasks until i get back on and report whatever as i am getting very overwelmed. I hate spending money and something not working for whatever reason. Gets me panicky....ugggg whate windows. I don't get all this trouble with linux. Although i did try to get this working with mythtv ....might try that again now rather than windows because i have to move too many pieces of hardware to get to the windows machine.

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#24
August 1, 2011 at 06:27:00
""You haven't said whether your oddball XP version is based on XP Home""

"Based on XP pro :0)"

You can't run a Repair installation of XP in any case unless the existing Windows installation on the hard drive is the same version as the CD has - Home, or Pro. The second Repair choice will not be available when you boot the computer from the Windows CD that allows you to do that.

You could try the Dell XP Re-installation CD or similar, e.g. if you have a spare hard drive you could fiddle with, but it will probably refuse to do either of those things.
I have examined a Dell Home XP Re-installation CD or similar (and a HP XP Home Re-installation CD or similar), and it DOES have several *.OEM files that have been modified such that they are different internally from the same file names on a regular Microsoft OEM XP Home CD. All of the other files on the brand name system XP Home SP2 Re-installation CD or similar were identical to the same file names on the Microsoft OEM XP Home SP2 CD.



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#25
August 1, 2011 at 06:55:08
Yes i understand that Tubes :0)
Yeah i have no other computers, hard drives or cd's of xp. I did have but got rid of them. Well i do have some old laptops but they are so terribly slow that i will not attempt anything on them. I tried to do something with them the other day and it was painful. I and a friend were collecting pc's to send to a 3rd world country and he forgot to include the laptops int he shipment. Only put the desktops in. So he gave these back to me and i have been selling them off. Anyway will try some other things and look for that core whatever....dll thing :0)

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#26
August 1, 2011 at 07:14:02
Ok just had a look for wmvcore.dll in C:\Windows\System32
and it is not there. In C:\Windows\System32\dllcache and it is there. It is version 9.0.0.4503.

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#27
August 1, 2011 at 08:00:05
OK just read after some more googling that windows media player does include wmvcore.dll so i am installing version 11 the latest for xp. Now restarting after the install. Oh he he I am that close. I think i will go nuts now. I am back in after a reboot and there is no wmvcore.dll error now. The pvr program opened and in front of it it says 'winfast pvr2_dvbtap.exe - unable to locate component-the application has failed because d3d8hk.dll was not found. Re-installing the application may fix this problem'. then there is the ok button'. The app has the windows for tv viewing and the remote control viewable on the screen....ugggg. Ok well onto more googling :0(

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#28
August 1, 2011 at 11:14:55
Well looks like i am closer> The program is unstable but working. When i click ok on that error it does let me scan for channel after it disappears. I can also view several channels. Bit of stuttering with some but i would say that is the antenna/reception and not the program. There are things i try to activate or change...settings...anything and the program doesn't like it so it will freeze or leave things here and there. So it is unstable. Hmmmmm. I didn't post on that other forum...leadtek i think because it has some problem. Might be a badly made forum/website. Not sure. I have registered but it keeps wanting me to register and i can't find a link to ask whats happening....anyway off to sleep and deal with this more tomorrow

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#29
August 1, 2011 at 12:14:39
"Yeah i have no other computers, hard drives or cd's of xp. I did have but got rid of them. "

That was a bonehead thing to do. People will be using XP as long as they can for many computers, because there are many computers that do not have a cpu that fast enough, or they can't install enough ram, for Vista or Windows 7.
There are people ustill using XP SP2 , SP1, o the orginal XP with no SP updates, or Win 2000 or previous, despite the fact Microsoift no longer supplies new critical or security updates for them.


"OK just read after some more googling that windows media player does include wmvcore.dll so i am installing version 11 the latest for xp. "

"I am back in after a reboot and there is no wmvcore.dll error now."

Good.
Apparently your fixation on Windows Media Player paid off. Either the info I found about wmvcore.dll being part of Windows Movie Player was not right, or both that and Installing Windows Media Player install wmvcore.dll , or replace it if it's missing or the wrong version.

"The pvr program opened and in front of it it says 'winfast pvr2_dvbtap.exe - unable to locate component-the application has failed because d3d8hk.dll was not found."

From your response 4

OK found this page. Bit late for me to read everything but some interesting hints maybe?
http://www.tv-cards.com/messageboar...

Searched that with pvr2_dvbtap.exe and d3d8hk.dll - no matches
.....

Search the web using: d3d8hk.dll

It's a DirectX file .

d3d8thk.dll, version 5.3.0000000.900 built by: DIRECTX - directx thunk layer microsoft
http://mightychicken.com/mc/dll-lib...


There is a DirectX 9.x version built into ALL regular XP installations.

There's something wrong with your DirectX installation, or it is not present in your oddball Windows version.
XP can't support / installing DirectX versions higher than 9.x - only Vista and Windows 7 support higher versions of it.

This should fix the problem regarding not finding d3d8hk.dll

DirectX End-User Runtime Web Installer
http://www.microsoft.com/download/e...
........

If that doesn't help...

Leadtek Winfast DTV Dongle Gold (home suppoprt page)
http://www.leadtek.com/eng/multimed...

Latest drivers
http://www.leadtek.com/eng/multimed...

Please install the latest driver before you install WinFast PVR2 applications.

Manuals
http://www.leadtek.com/eng/multimed...

Quick Guide = Quick Installation Guide

See page 3 and 4 in that for the proper installation instructions !

User's manual

FAQs
http://www.leadtek.com/eng/multimed...

It's possible, but ulikely, not all the software in the Leadtek softwqare installtion installed because an acceptable version wmvcore.dll was not found.


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#30
August 1, 2011 at 22:11:55
No no the other computers were for a cause. we were sending them overseas. I have no room to be crowded by them. It was never my intention.

I have never heard of windows movie player. That always confused me.

OK willr ead that link later also as i have to get out to do stuff....thanks. Yes i got the same when googling. Well the dll i got that it is supposed to be an infection.. Yes i install directx 9 so not sure why that is a problem. I installed from the MS site so not sure why it is still an issue. Ok will have a look at that later too. I have the latest drivers for the dongle too from the leadtek site. JNot sure if this install is the latest or the ones from the cd. will have to check the version later. Was thinking of that too. Yep read the manual before...or well the one int he box ...on the install cd i have was pretty6 crappy...no instructions really. Will look at the online one later too. OK thanks Tubes :0)

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#31
August 2, 2011 at 06:40:00
I was commenting on these parts of the statement:
".Yeah i have no .....cd's of xp. I did have but got rid of them."
...assuming you had XP CDs but got rid of them.
I'm well aware that you are constantly recycling computers and their parts so that they can be used by other people due to what you've said in your previous Topics.
That's the best way to recycle them.

Where I am there is a government supported recycling program for computers and other electronic devices but all they're doing is tearing them apart, shredding the boards, and sorting the materials and selling the materials in bulk. They don't even recycle the cpus, ram, and the drives. Such a waste.

"the install cd i have was pretty6 crappy...no instructions really"

It wouldn't surprise me that any printed instructions that may have been included are inadequate, but usually the same manuals you find online are on the CD. The User's manual has extensive info but no installation instructions - the Quck Guide does have the installation instructions.


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#32
August 2, 2011 at 07:20:34
Well i had a bad copy of windows i bought from ebay. I paid for a genuine but the guy sent me a copy. It cost too much! I didn't have several of them.
Yeah all except some laptops left now :0)
Well i have two desktops. One windows and one linux :0)

Oh ok will check out the manual or whateve ron the cd then.
Btw the pvr software working for about an hour and freezes with an awful sound. I usually have to turn of the computer via the power button as there is no other way. ctrl alt del does not or anything else.....

Yes that is a waste that the cpu's hard drives etc are not reused. Geez!
I just had another thought that maybe something is trying to update so maybe that is also why the freezing happens :0) Anyway will look into a few things after a little more rest :0)

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#33
August 2, 2011 at 10:41:43
"Well i had a bad copy of windows i bought from ebay. I paid for a genuine but the guy sent me a copy. It cost too much!"

There are lots of bogus copies of Windows for sale on the web.

I guy who I helped out bought an .*iso file download on the web to make an XP Pro SP2 32 bit CD. It came with a Product Key, a list of several other Product Keys, and an illegal key generator in case the none of Product Keys worked for Windows Activation. Obviously a bogus source.
He had a Compaq laptop with an official Microsoft label on it with an OEM Product Key on it for XP Pro SP2 32 bit.
His Windows installation was still working fine - he just wanted Windows installed on a larger hard drive he had bought, and some files transferred from the original hard drive to the new one. He's disabled - quadriplegic - and can't do that himself (he uses Dragon Naturally Speaking with the computer). Even if the Microsoft label had an unreadable Product Key (e.g. a girl who has a laptop that I helped recently had been too vigorous cleaning the outside of it) , I could have used a third party program to find the Product Key Windows was presently using.
I made a XP Pro CD from the *.iso file, and used it to install XP on the new drive.
The first Product Key was found to be invalid by Windows Activation. One of the other ones in the provided list worked . If it hadn't, I would not have used the illegal key generator program. I'm not sure if the Product Key on the computer case would have worked. I wasn't sure if the *.iso file was for OEM Windows or not. I suspect it was for a Volume licensed CD.

If he had told me what he wanted to do before he bought the *.iso file, I would have told him he didn't need to buy it . Even if he insisted on buying one, I could have bought him a new regular Microsoft OEM XP Pro SP2 CD locally for less than he paid for the bogus *.iso file.
His Windows installation was working fine. The Compaq Presario laptop either came with an XP Pro Re-installation CD (he is the original owner as far as I know) , or it had a HP supplied program on it to make Recovery disks.

I didn't have an OEM XP Pro CD at the time that I could copy - I had and still have OEM XP Home SP2 CDs that I could copy, but no spare legitimate Home Product Key to use with that for his computer.

I could have used free software available on one of the makers of the hard drive's web site to clone the entire contents of the original drive to the new drive, but I didn't know about that at the time.
I installed the original drive in an external drive enclosure, and copied files off of it to the new drive that he wanted to keep. .

Later on I used the free software to clone the data from a smaller to a larger hard drive with a friend's HP laptop - much less work.
.......

"....freezes with an awful sound. I usually have to turn of the computer via the power button as there is no other way. ctrl alt del does not or anything else....."

Using the Reset button if the computer has one, and/or using Ctrl-Alt-Del require that Windows software (or whatever operating system software) is working well enough for the function to work when you were in Windows. Those things often don't work when Windows (or whatever operating system software) isn't working properly.
Holding the power button in or down for at least 4 seconds depends only on the bios built in code or a customizable setting in the bios that is often set to that by default, so that usually works.

" I just had another thought that maybe something is trying to update so maybe that is also why the freezing happens :0)"

Updates loading would not likely cause that problem - a slowdown maybe, but freezing Windows because of that is very unlikely..

Sometimes a problem that makes an awful sound is cured by loading newer sound adapter software.

By the way, as I said in response 1.....

"Never have the resident module(s) for more than one anti-malware or third party software firewall program running at the same time, otherwise they are likely to clash with each other and cause you problems "

You probably have two such programs - AVG certainly has the Resident Shield - it appears Superantisyware has a resident module too.
Do you have the resident modules for both of them running ?

AVG 2011 has anti-spyware software built to it. You don't need two programs that have anti-spyware capabilities running their resident module at the same time in any case.. If you choose to keep Superantispyware installed, you should disable it's resident module and only enable it when you want to try it with either AVG's Resident Shield disabled (best choice) or AVG's anti-spyware feature disabled (may not cure possible clashing problems when the Resident Shield is enabled).


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#34
August 2, 2011 at 10:54:22
Yeah it is a pain. That is the only time i have bought windows.


I just got a whole lot of windows updates via the ms site but for some reason it is not showing i need direct x. This is frustrating as i have installed several versions and it is not running ....you know dxdiag. I even navigate to the folder where it could be....ahhhh i am so tired i need to go to sleep. I will have to hopefully tackle this again tomorrow. Windows is so frustrating. How can i run the directx setup and still when i run dxdiag it does not find it? Rediculous! Goodnight!

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#35
August 2, 2011 at 11:12:15
DirectX 9.x is built into a regular Windows XP installation.
Updates for it may not show up when you use Microsoft update on the Microsoft web site when you use the Express search - they might show up as optional updates if you use the Custom search as Optional updates.

It sounds like your DirectX installation is corrupted.

Try the download at the
DirectX End-User Runtime Web Installer
link in response 29 if you haven't already done so.

The original DirectX 9.x version is built into Windows and can't be un-installed.

If you have tried to install DirectX updates and that didn't cure the problem, you may need to un-install them in Add or Remove Programs, or if they're listed but the un-install won't work, use the Windows Installer Cleanup Utility to un-install them.
See response 2:
http://www.computing.net/answers/ha...

If that doesn't help,
- running sfc /scannow will probably fix the files in the original DirectX version, HOWEVER, you MUST use an XP CD that has SP3 updates integrated into it as a source of files, if SP3 updates have been installed in Windows. .



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#36
August 2, 2011 at 21:02:00
I dunno but with winflp i have always had to install directx. I just noticed that i had to from i dunno a couple of years ago. I have had a few reinstalls of windows because of hardware or infection or whatever. Can't see anything in add/remove ...never ever seen it there. Al;ways had to download it. This is the first time i am using the ms site with that thing that sees what you need on the computer...the updates. Never used that before. I was googling and tried it. Usually i just let windows tell me what updates i need then do a custom....but in this case i needed direct x and i have never seen that come through unless i manually go get it from the net.
I think i have had to download it because of maybe other video capture cards i have had. Been about 3....anyway this is a fresh install with no cards inside at the time so i know it is not that that is causing anything.
. Will look at that utility.....

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#37
August 2, 2011 at 21:16:25
OJK dunno if i memtioned i have tried the runtime install twce and that didn't work either.
Tried that utility and it didn't list direct x so i didn't make it do anything.

Tried the sfc /scannnow thing but it said 'sfac- windows cannot find 'sfc' make sure you typed the name corectly and then try again. to search for a file click the start button and then click OK button'.
OK i don't know anyone with a windows cd at all. Anyway that has windowsxo on their machine doesn't keep anything. They don't know computing at all. Maybe my nerd friend but that would take way to long to organise and everyone lives too far, has kids....way too complicated to get anything phsyical from them. Phew this is such a problem....windows uggggg., Wish i had more time to get this device happening on linux.....but i am still not proficent enough.

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#38
August 2, 2011 at 21:38:33
Your oddball XP version doesn't have DirectX included in it ? That's bogus. Many programs require that it is there in Windows.
Waitaminute - you said you had dxdiag ? You shouldn't have that if DirectX is not installed.

"Try the download at the
DirectX End-User Runtime Web Installer
link in response 29 if you haven't already done so"

". OJK dunno if i memtioned i have tried the runtime install twce and that didn't work either."

I don't think you mentioned it.

Describe that. What was the problem ?
Did you get error messages ?
If you did, did you copy them down ?

"Tried that utility and it didn't list direct x so i didn't make it do anything."

Thw Windows Installer Cleanup Utility can't find anything that has NOT been installed by a Windows Installer software package, and it can't find anything that HAS been installed by a Windows Installer software package that has already been un-installed.

"This is the first time i am using the ms site with that thing that sees what you need on the computer...the updates. Never used that before."

I use Windows Update frequently especially when I'm loading a system from scratch .
Automatic update in Windows loads most of the same things you see when you do Express searches in any case, except it does not auto load certain things such as Windows SP2 or SP3 updates.
Automatic update loads those things eventually after a fresh install of Windows, but it may take many days to do that - it downloads them but they are not installed until you Shut Down Windows and choose Turn Off.
I go to Windows Update and have it do Express searches and install updates until there are no more updates left to speed up the process .
When you do a Custom search, sometimes optional updates are useful.
I don't load any Hardware (driver) updates the Custom search finds except for monitor drivers - it has installed the drivers for the wrong device in the past and cause me problems. .
.........

"Tried the sfc /scannnow thing but it said 'sfac- windows cannot find 'sfc' make sure you typed the name corectly and then try again. to search for a file click the start button and then click OK button'.>"

Are you SURE you typed SFC and not something else ?

There is a space between SFC and /SCANNOW

SFC - System File Checker - is built into ALL regular XP installations!

As I said before......

- running sfc /scannow will probably fix the files in the original DirectX version, HOWEVER, you MUST use an XP CD that has SP3 updates integrated into it as a source of files, if SP3 updates have been installed in Windows. .
if SP3 updates have been installed in Windows.

IMPORTANT - if SP3 updates have been installed in Windows, if the source CD does not have SP3 updates integrated into it, you CANNOT run SFC /SCANNOW successfuly !


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#39
August 2, 2011 at 22:27:35
I dunno....aways seen this issue. No i am not getting dxdiag......not there.

OK the installer thing i installed at two different stages. Don't remember much. Installed and nothing happened....can't find it. No dxdiag in the thing. Don't know what to do. No error messages. Don't know if it starts somewhere. Shows somewhere? Don't know enough about directx. All i remember is years ago i needed it to run a music production software i had and thats it.

Yep made sure i typed the sfc thing right.


Don't have the windows cd with sp3. Can't get it from anyone!. Ok so that can't be done....damn.....

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#40
August 3, 2011 at 09:35:44
Something odd has happened. I think i have had tuner dongle operating for 3 or more hours and it has not frozen....i thought ok lemme see if i can record now....went well i think...i can't find where the program saves the file yet but i am sure it is ok. Everything went so smoothly...gee windows woke up lol :0) I closed the program and reopened and still got that error but it runs regardless....hmmmmm computers. Who knows it might be an error i have to live with. I will post if i find someone with windowsxpsp3....oh i just thought of someone that might have it...i wonder?! It's possible...i should ask :0) Thanks Tubes!

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#41
August 3, 2011 at 13:03:10
"OK the installer thing i installed at two different stages. Don't remember much. Installed and nothing happened....can't find it. "

That's of no help at all
If you had copied the error messages I might have been able to figure out what the problem is.
In theory, you SHOULD be able to install DirectX on your oddball XP version.

".....still got that error but it runs regardless.."
..
Which error ?

This one ?
"The pvr program opened and in front of it it says 'winfast pvr2_dvbtap.exe - unable to locate component-the application has failed because d3d8hk.dll was not found."
..........

Sometimes your symptoms seem like they may be caused by corrupted data.

Have you tested the hard drive with hard drive manufacturer's diagnostics ?

E.g.
Seagate's SeaTools will test (almost) any brand of hard drive.
http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.j...

Do the long test.

The Dos bootable versions of SeaTools can test the hard drive when Windows will not load properly, or even when the drive has no data on it.

If the drive itself passes the test, any data problems on the drive can be fixed one way or another.

Have you run CHKDSK /R on your Windows partition ?

Start - Run - type.. cmd (press Enter or click OK)
type.... CHKDSK /R (press Enter)
Answer Y to the question.
Restart Windows.
The next time Windows starts to load, CHKDSK will want to run - don't press any keys when you see that, let CHKDSK run
CHKDSK
- checks the partition you booted Windows from by default if there is no drive letter typed after it
CHKDSK /R
- runs more tests than CHKDSK /F does
- checks the entire partition including where there is presently no data
- takes longer to finish than CHKDSK /F does.
.............

I don't have ANY original XP CDs, or copies of orginal XP CDS, that have the SP3 updates integrated in them, but I have made "slipstreamed CDs from the original ones that DO have the SP3 updates integrated into them. .

If you have a full version (not an Upgrade version) CD, and if it isn't one that came with a brand name computer, you can do anything with the "slipstreamed" CD - install Windows from scratch, run a Repair installation of Windows, or run SFC /SCANNOW without a problem.

( All my original XP CDs or copies of them are regular Microsoft OEM Home CDs with no SP updates, with SP1 updates, or with SP2 updates, except for one that is a regular Microsoft OEM XP Pro SP2, and one that is a full version Microsoft Pro SP2 CD that requires a retail product key. [I have one XP Homev SP2 re-installation CD for a HP laptop, but I don't have that laptop, and I'm pretty sure it can't be used with anything except a small group of HP models to install Windows from scratch or run a Repair installation of Windows.] I only use them with legitimate Product Keys - that are on the Microsoft label on the computer case, or that came on the Microsoft label with the new CD, or that are found by using a third party program to find the Product Key being used on a legitimate existing Windows installation.)

From response 20...

"If it doesn't have SP3 updates, you can use the CD to make yourself a "slipstreamed " CD, preferably a CD-R, that has had the SP3 updates integrated into it., and use that along with the proper original Product Key."

You should be able to do that with your oddball XP version CD too.
However ,if that oddball CD does not have DirectX built into it, running SFC / SCANNOW isn't going to fix DirectX because it isn't on the CD.

You could do that with a CD that came with a brand name computer model, but the CD probably MUST be for the same version of XP - Home or Pro - as on the Windows installation, otherwise SFC / SCANNOW will probably refuse to accept the CD as a valid source.
So - making a "slipstreamed" CD from the Dell XP Home CD probably won't be of help for fixing DirectX by running SFC / SCANNOW wiith your oddball XP version based on Pro. .

Lots of instructions for how to make that "slipstreamed" CD are available on the web. If you have a Nero burning program that has Nero Burning Rom (it's usually not there in the free versions of Nero) , I have specific instructions about using that.
Otherwise, there are freeware burning programs you can use.



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#42
August 4, 2011 at 01:13:29
I meat directx thing from the MS site....there was no error...nothing happened. No change. No progress.
The error i mentioned to do with the pvr program when it is opened is the same. No change!
Yep i agree corrupted somehow....i just don't know what or how.
Oh yes i know about seatools. Um can't remember what the primary drive is. I have two drives in there and one is a western digital. The box is opened right now and i am looking but i am running the pvr program right now so can't do anything else. Catching up on a tv program i like :0) I willl try whatever tool goes with the primary drive...thanks for that suggestion. There must be something up because the reason this all started is because i got the blue screen of death and reinstalled windows. Had a different video capture card that was analogue so i decided well i should go up to a digital tv tuner. Was really cheap and had the money in my hands which is rare.

Anyway i did get a freeze after a couple of hours today so there is no use living with that error. No good at all.

Got an email fromt he Leadtek site. Tried to join their forum but there is some problem with their forum site. So i thought ok they have a tech support email address i should use it. They sent me the link to updated drivers. Not sure if it is the same as what i have. Will have to check that. Haven't had time as i was doing stacks today.

OK will do the long test on whatever tool i need for the hard drive :0)
Yes i have done the dos version. I think that is on a floppy....i hope i have one in the cupboard.
Oh thanks i was wanting to do checkdisk but couldn't find after googling how to get to it...is n't there a way to do it before loading into windows? By pressing an f key?

I only have winflp...thats all i have. It is with sp2. Oh and the dell windows home restore cd's. Thats it i am afraid!
Ok what is slipstreamed? Haven't heard of that before. So when you say to use a windowsxp cd(that is not branded) then it would have to have sp3 on it?

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#43
August 4, 2011 at 07:28:42
"I meat directx thing from the MS site....there was no error...nothing happened. No change. No progress"

That doesn't tell me much.

If you were not able to download the file, default security setting in IE 7 and IE 8 will often pop up an extra boxed line at the top of the screen when you click on a button or link to a download - you have to click on that line and give permission to download the file.

"Oh yes i know about seatools. Um can't remember what the primary drive is. "

Control Panel - Classic view - Administrative Tools - Computer Management - Disk Management. The physical drive that has the C partition on it is usually, but not always, the primary physical drive.
The C partition is usually, but not always, the partition Windows itself is installed on and loaded from.

It doesn't take long to run the long test. You could test both of them.

CHKDSK /R automatically tests the partition you loaded Windows from if you don't type a drive letter and a colon character after it.

"Oh thanks i was wanting to do checkdisk but couldn't find after googling how to get to it..."

See my directions in response 41.

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#44
August 4, 2011 at 08:39:39
Sorry but there was no error with directx....it would run when i clicked whatever and nothing happened to show me anything was wrong.
I use firefox and nothing comes up to say i can't or can download something. Sorry i never use IE.

Yes i know where to look for finding out what the primary drive is...just no time to do it now. I wanted to look inside the box but i was using the computer at that time so i can't....wanted to watch tv. Anyway will have to do this tomorrow as i am super tired from sorting out a friends computer and connecting him to the net via his new adsl service.
Thanks will do all this tomorrow. It's horrible going to someones house to help with their computer or connecting them to the net. They want you to talk to them while your trying to concentrate uuuugggggg. lol....i can't do it lol

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#45
August 4, 2011 at 12:02:53
"It's horrible going to someones house to help with their computer or connecting them to the net. They want you to talk to them while your trying to concentrate uuuugggggg. lol....i can't do it lol"

When I do that I would prefer that they are interested in what I'm dong, then maybe they'll fix the problem on their own the next time.

What really bugs me is when they pay no attention at all, especially when I'm not charging them anything.


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#46
August 4, 2011 at 21:09:55
He he yeah but they want to talk about something other than what i am doing and i can't concentrate. If they ask what i am doing and feign interest then that is annoying too he he. They think i know everything and i don't have the concentration to explain everything. I don't even know why things work. I just know what does he he. Or maybe remember what does.....i don't always remember much but they think i am such a brain wave. Maybe before i got CFS i was. I could tell you exactly how i know something and tell you in depth...now i just know or not he he. I also try to tell them to use forums and learn how to google. THats how i have gotten a lot done. I think i started on computing .net 12 years ago and out of 100 issues i get on here for one...not bad for an amateur i think :0) The latest herbal thing i am taking is called Gotu Kola....early reports are that it is having some effect. There is just a little less lag time when it comes to thoughts coming to the front of the brain..... ihope this continues :0)
Good news is that the friend i emailed(computer scientist) is mailing me windowsxp pro sp3 and he says that winflp may not work with directx...he said something about winflp being for networked machines and there was no need for directx. I can understand that. Anyway he wasn't sure. I guess it is a theory. So he said it is about time i have the full winxp. He said that winflp is just win98 with winxp dressing...something like that.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#47
August 5, 2011 at 06:36:09
"Good news is that the friend i emailed(computer scientist) is mailing me windowsxp pro sp3..... "

That's good, but do you, or will you, have an appropriate legitimate Product Key for it ?
E.g. if your oddball XP version uses an OEM XP Pro (32 bit) Product Key, and if the CD he sends is an OEM (32 bit) CD, your Product Key will work with the CD.


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#48
August 5, 2011 at 06:44:00
Oh yes he knows i wouldn't want a crap illegal version. I told him everything that has been happening and he is one of the people that has been giving me suggestions. He knows what winflp is and say directx is not part of it etc...don't worry he is switched on this guy! :0) Wish i had thought of him before but i know he is a family man in the western suburbs and also studying on top of whatever job. These people are so hard to get a hold off....i know another computer scientist dude but he won't even talk computers with me once he got me onto Linux...lol...I think he thinks well she won't talk about windows problems now he he. He is helping a friend of mine at the moment with a website and he swears like crazy because my friend uses windows lol....its the only time i hear this friend swear lol

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#49
August 8, 2011 at 02:33:42
Well i finally remembered and had time to do chkdsk....seems everything is ok. I watched most of the process except the end of the last number 5 thing. Anyway reboot and all is good.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#50
August 8, 2011 at 09:22:10
CHKDSK /R (or CHKDSK /F) displays lines about what it is doing and a summary when it has finished, but it doesn't wait for you to respond when it's finished.
You have to be looking at the screen when it has finished to see the summary.
If any of that info in the lines or the summary says anything about bad sectors, the hard drive is probably in the process of failing.
Of the two, running CHKDSK /R, or running hard drive diagnostics, passing the latter is much more important.

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#51
August 8, 2011 at 09:51:34
Yeah it was so quick. I was looking and i blinked....and missed it ...really i was right there. Maybe there was nothing bad to report so it didn't have anything to report?!

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#52
August 8, 2011 at 10:54:57
If no problems were found, there will be the least possible lines displayed on the screen, and the summary will tell you no problems were found.

There may be lines that say cross linked files were found and fixed, or an error in an index or similar was found and fixed, or that the info about the size of something was incorrect and was fixed or similar, or lines that mention bad sectors had been found, and if data was on a bad sector, Windows moved the data to a good sector, or similar, etc. .

If CHKDSK /R or CHKDSK /F or CHKDSK finds even one bad sector, there may be other "iffy" bad sectors that will only be found by running a hard drive manufacturer's hard drive diagnostics program's long test that checks every sector on the physical drive.
CHKDSK "flags" bad sectors so that the operating will not use them, but no bad sectors at all should be detected because the drive's hardware routines are supposed to automatically find them and prevent them from being used,. and swap the location of a bad sector with a spare good sector (if there are no spare good sectors left, the operating system will find bad sectors, the hard drive is in the process of failing ).
When you re-format the partition the bad sectors were found on, the "flags" CHKDSK previously made for the locations of detected bad sectors are deleted .


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#53
August 8, 2011 at 21:55:02
Yes i understand. I have run other things int he past that gave summarys like that...those programs like seatools etc. Anyway don't have time to go through the process again and watch it. Gee it takes so long. Did it at a friends place last night as he was having a few issues with his machine and with all the tweaking of windowsxp i did his machine is running so much faster now. thanks :0)
Hope i get that windows cd soon :0)

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#54
August 10, 2011 at 20:07:51
I did chkdsk again yesterday and everything is cool :0)

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#55
August 18, 2011 at 04:43:46
Well something interesting. I installed winflp on a friends machine wthat has lower specs that mine then tried to install the dongle and guess what it works. Had to increase the virtual memory and got all the windows upadates etc but it works....hmmmmmm.
I am supposed to be getting that windows sp3 from a friend but i think my junkie neighbours stole it from my letterbox,.. Lots of my mail has been going missing lately.
So conclusion is i should just start from scratch....ahhhh how laborious :0(

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#56
August 18, 2011 at 07:51:51
"winflp"

You haven't mentioned that before.
Is that your oddball Windows version ?
If yes, I don't recommend you install it on anyone else's computer.

"Had to increase the virtual memory "

Why ? At least for an installation of a regular Windows version, usually you don't need to change any setting regarding that. Windows usually does a very good job of automatically adjusting that according to what's needed, dynamically.

So the TV tuner software installed fine on that computer ?
If so, your own Windows installation is screwed up.

Suspicions are not enough. What evidence do you have that some of your mail might have been stolen ?
Snail mail can take a while to arrive in any case.
Sometimes it's someone who handled the mail somewhere along the way who has stolen something, not someone who stole it after it was delivered, in a small number of cases.
Was the package he sent the CD in obviously for a CD ?
Was the CD a copy ? If yes, ask him to send another copy, and this time package it such that it's not obvious it's a CD.
Or he could send it via a private company rather than the government's. E.g. UPS, or whatever you have there.


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#57
August 18, 2011 at 10:00:14
Gee i am sure i mentioned windows fundamentals for legacy pc's??? Too much to read through so i won't he he. That is the oddball system he he.

Well it worked so i am happy that it is not the direct x ....or maybe ...i dunno. All i know is i didn't do a custom install like i usually do leaving out msnmessenger. Hate the damn thing. Who uses it? Ha ha enayway that was the only missing part and well it is all working!

I remember that virtual memory fix before. On another slow machine and it stopped popping up with that virtual memory thing once it was adjusted :0)

The person that sent the cd is only two days away via snal mail. We tried last week....waited 7 days. Tried this week and waited 5 days. I see the junkies hanging around the letter boxes all the time. They have stolen from my porch, they dump rubbish, they have bikes out the back that they use for currency. The police even know. Anyway when there is enough evidence then something can be done about them to close the drug house. We have had this happen before with a bad neighbour and i got him jailed!
I have no idea how it was sent. All i know is i told the post offce for years to put a card in the letterbox and do not put anything other than letter there but the mail people are stupid. Anyway it is a loooooooong drawn out problem all round :0)
Yeah i have no idea about couriers these days. I used to work for one but you have to be a company to use them. Not an individual.
Anyway the new install on my machine is in process....i feel confident that it will work this time :0) Will report back when it isdone :0)

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#58
September 3, 2011 at 02:51:36
Hi Tubes thanks for your patience. I ended up coming across another machine with sp3 on it and better specs except ram....just changed ram with the other machine and everything is working well now :0) Now its time to build an antenna as that is an issue where i live.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#59
September 4, 2011 at 07:52:18
Okay, sounds good.

We have just changed to digital over the air TV broadcasts Sept. 1st in Canada.
My HD AIW card supports digital reception but I haven't tried that out yet.

I assume you need to improve your digital antenna reception.


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#60
September 4, 2011 at 08:24:10
:0)
Yes they are gradually doing that here. I think the full change over is next year in my area specifically. We were getting decreased reception with the analogue channels for ages anyway because of the buildings getting taller around me. Then they upgraded whatever it is on top of the buyilding i live in, then it started to decrease in channels again...then when they switched on the digital the channels were sometimes working. Some analogues and some digital,. Its very unpredictable. I livenear 3 of the channels yet some times int he day and night i can't get them....very strange! So at the moment i get about 6 digital and 5 analogue. I was getting a little more before....anyway....i started building the fractual antenna so hopefully thing will be better. One more part to go and that should do the trick :0) Thne i can start helping all the neighbours as i have better reception than they do even now with my spiral t antenna he he

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#61
September 4, 2011 at 13:17:03
We have five ? local stations that were broadcating over the air analogue signals. Several of them had serious problems with tall buildings producing ghost images on the screen when we tried to pick them up in our area, so we haven't used over the air signals for years - we got those channels included with a local cable TV provider's service.

If you live in a large building the video signal may be very weak by the time it gets to your residence because of multiple branching of cables and multiple cable splitters within the building.
A regular TV can cope with that somewhat, but TV cards usually can't.

You may need to use an video signal amplifier, and/or connect your cable to (a) cable splitter(s) a different way at your own residence.
See response 2
http://www.computing.net/answers/wi...
.......

A video signal amplifier is called various things.

Cable TV amps
http://www.cabletvamplifiers.com/In...

Usually a cheap one will be sufficient.



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#62
September 4, 2011 at 22:12:49
Yes i used an amplifier when i had an indoot hd antenna and it made no difference. I found that many people in my area that bought them had the same problem. We tried a few brands with the same result. Anyway the spiral t antenna has been the best regardless of tuner or normal tv. The reduction in channels since i had the tuner is not really a problem because the channels i had that i don't have now had bad reception. Like in and out...hard to explain...never enough to have good viewing. Anyway there is another issue that happened today which is weird. All of a sudden i got those channels that were ina nd out only. Not the good channels....which is very strange. I rebooted the computer 3 times and rescanned the tuner device and finally got my other good channels back phew. I think they must be testing equipment or the changeover somewhere...as it took a whole half an hour to get results. Oh and i tested all this with the antenna on top of the building and my spiral t antenna set up....so it was the same. So there is some interferance somewhere else. I am on the ground floor but all the people in my building have a problem. Mind you without going into their places indiviually i don't know exactly what issues they have. They do mention that they can't get sbs which is the same as me but they also get in and out(or on and off) the other channels....i get them cosistantly which they do not...because i have the spiral t. The antenna on top of the building until a week or so ago was not doing that. I think a technician miight have looked at the antenna on top of the building during that time....anyway gotta get out and will look at those posts later....thanks T

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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