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Name: digger95
Date: October 13, 2007 at 09:06:12 Pacific
OS: WinXP Home
CPU/Ram: Celeron D 2.93Ghz / 512Mb
Product: HP Pavilion
Comment:

Complete noob here so forgive me...

I've got a Prescott-based P4 processor which is supposed to be thermal-regulated. From what I'm told, there's no way I can kill it as it will automatically step down when it gets to a certain temperature.

My question is... is this happening on the chip or is it OS-dependent? The reason I'm asking is that I am trying to learn Linux right now but I have lost fan control in the meantime. My fans are still spinning but not speeding up when the processor gets hot.

Will my chip still back off when it gets hot or is there a chance I will destroy it? I'd like to learn Linux, but not at the expense of ruining my machine.

Thanks for any input...

Dig



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Response Number 1
Name: StuartS
Date: October 13, 2007 at 09:29:43 Pacific
Reply:

It is controlled internally by the hardware in conjunction with the BIOS. Even AMD CPUs which do not have internal thermal control are shut down by the BIOS, not the OS.

Stuart


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Response Number 2
Name: cliffpage
Date: October 13, 2007 at 09:49:27 Pacific
Reply:

As long as the BIOS has been set to shutdown the computer at a certain temperature, sometimes in the BIOS you have to go in and enable that feature and tell it what temperature you want to use as the limit.
This is a different thing to the cpu automatically slwoing down when its getting hot (I do not know if that is contolled by windows or not)


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Response Number 3
Name: digger95
Date: October 13, 2007 at 09:50:11 Pacific
Reply:

Stuart,

Thanks so much for the response. So to put it simply... there is NO way I can ruin my Prescott processor by playing around with Linux? I've been worried because to get the Linux kernel to even load I've had to turn acpi=off.

But if it is monitored on chip and will step down regardless of what I do with my OS... I am much more at ease.

Thanks,

Dig


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Response Number 4
Name: digger95
Date: October 13, 2007 at 09:58:08 Pacific
Reply:

Cliffpage,

Unfortunately I have an HP BIOS which is dummied-down and does not allow me to make many changes.

Running the OEM version of Windows XP that came with my machine, the fans automatically speed up anytime the cpu temp exceeds 63C. But when running Linux the thermal regulation is somehow over-ridden and the temp gets much higher. The fans never speed up.

I just need to know if Linux is going to kill my processor or if it's going to back down regardless of what I do.

Thanks,

Dig



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Response Number 5
Name: 1stepbeyond
Date: October 13, 2007 at 10:38:23 Pacific
Reply:

Hi
check in the bios for automatic fan control, disable it if optional, that should run the fan at full rpm.
(you should hear the fan speed up)

if it doesnt run at all switch off! & re-enable the option
just in case its a really finicky bios.

other option is to replace the hsf fan with a variable manual speed controller.
eg

http://www.jdr.com/interact/print.a...



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Response Number 6
Name: jam
Date: October 14, 2007 at 08:06:19 Pacific
Reply:

Which Linux distro are you experimenting with?

As the others have said, Intel CPUs have built-in thermal protection & this protection is independent of the OS or BIOS. I know the Prescott has earned the nickname "hot potato", but 63C seems fairly warm...it depends on whether that temp is under light load or full load? If it's at light load, you may wanna check your HSF installation and/or your case cooling config.

BTW, AMD CPUs have had thermal protection since the introduction of the K8 series (Athlon64).


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Response Number 7
Name: digger95
Date: October 14, 2007 at 21:23:49 Pacific
Reply:

Jam,

63C is under full load. I only mentioned it because that's the temp that should kick my fans into high gear. At idle my prescott runs 47C which I think is pretty good.

I'm running Ubuntu right now to get my feet wet but will be moving to Slackware long-term because i really want to learn the nitty-gritty of Linux. It was just a bit daunting to jump into Slack for my very first distro so I'm using Ubuntu to make the transition from Windows.

I've just about got the fan situation sorted out with lm-sensors and pwmconfig. Been a while since I've used this much command-line.

Dig



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