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Power problems but PSU not the prob

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Name: cake5
Date: October 18, 2005 at 11:46:13 Pacific
OS: Windows 2000 Pro
CPU/Ram: Sempron 2800, 1.5gb Ram
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About two weeks ago I went to turn on my pc and nothing. No lights no power at all. Checked the cables were plugged in and that all the power was on. Still nothing. I got it to work by reseating the 20pin power connector. It worked fine for an evening and then stopped the next day. I tried the same thing but this time could only get the fans to turn on. I kept checking the connections and psu (including resetting the voltage between 230 and 115 - which I believe caused the next problem) until it goes bang (literally) and I've basically fried it.

I got a friend's spare one (It's an ATX12V PSU, at least 300W, i was using 400w but this spare is only 300w and I had used it before when he helped me build this computer and I didn't have a ATX12v psu) and plugged it in. First turn on (with a brand new power lead) I only got fans. Unplugged and replugged the leads and turned the power at the wall on and off and the power switch at the back of the computer. And it worked. Worked all day in fact.

Last night I turn it on and get nothing so now I know the problem isn't the PSU, nor the leads (as both are new). This morning (nothing changed) I try it again and get full power. I turned off the computer but left the power at the wall turned on (with tape over it so that no-one would touch it) and when I got home this evening it turned on fine again.

My assumptions are now that it is a motherboard problem as (from what I've read while trying to fix the problem) the motherboard controls whether or not the pc gets power even if the psu is working? At least in the case of ATX12v's ?

Furthermore I have visual confirmation in the form of a tiny light at the back of the pc (amongst the sound, com, and rear usb ports) which is on when the psu has power - even when the computer has not been switched on. If the light is on then everything works fine, if it's not then it's not going to work.

My motherboard is an

MSI KT4A-V

which came in this motherboard kit:
http://www.savastore.com/productinfo/product.aspx?catalog_name=Savastore&product_id=10277601&pid=40&rstrat=3122

and if bought individually I think is this one:
http://www.savastore.com/productinfo/product.aspx?catalog_name=Savastore&product_id=10248819&pid=44&rstrat=0

Any suggestions as to what would be causing the intermittent power will be most helpful, thank you.



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Response Number 1
Name: shadowsonic
Date: October 18, 2005 at 11:56:34 Pacific
Reply:

Strangely seems like a power spike to me, does anything else work ???


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Response Number 2
Name: cake5
Date: October 18, 2005 at 12:16:29 Pacific
Reply:

Yeah everything works if it turns on at all. But if it doesn't work first time then nothing works until I switch on and off at the wall socket and try again (repeat until it works).

Is there a power controller on the motherboard that might have burnt out or been shorted out?


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Response Number 3
Name: jam
Date: October 18, 2005 at 12:39:44 Pacific
Reply:

Wattage means nothing if there's not enough amperage. There are plenty of crappy 400W units out there with just 10-12A on the +12v rail, & that simply won't cut it these days. On the flipside, there are some decent 300W units that will outperform many 400W units. With PSUs, you get what you pay for...a decent 400W unit with 18A on the +12v rail sells for at least $40 (US)

When a PSUs blows, there's no telling what components it might take out with it. And just because a light comes on, that's no indication that the PSU is good...it just means it's putting out enough power to light the light.

http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=KT4AV-L&class=mb

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Response Number 4
Name: robertj
Date: October 18, 2005 at 14:23:58 Pacific
Reply:

Have you tried another power outlet?Have you tried another power cable from outlet to computer?Your power cord could be bad.


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Response Number 5
Name: ham30
Date: October 18, 2005 at 14:30:03 Pacific
Reply:

Take a real close look at the motherboard power connector. Look for any burnt connections.


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Response Number 6
Name: GX1 Man
Date: October 18, 2005 at 19:39:21 Pacific
Reply:

You may have cooked your motherboard after toasting the power supply. If you don't know - don't touch things!

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Response Number 7
Name: cake5
Date: October 19, 2005 at 09:34:33 Pacific
Reply:

This problem occured before my PSU toasted so although that may have done more damage to components if it was happening before and it is happening again with a PSU that I know to be 100% working and using a new power cord (I had/have tried different cords and wall outlets but the problem still occurs) then the problem isn't/wasn't just the PSU or a dodgy cord.

And my comment about the light was that when it is on (it should be on when wallsitch on and PSU switch on) there are no problems. However when it isn't on there's nothing I can do to get my computer to turn on.

If there was a power surge during the night (i.e. my computer being on to let it render something during the night) could that have damage the motherboard? I did not (at the time) have a surge protector extension lead (I do now since the problems have started to occur).


And my motherboard is actually the KT4A-V not KT4AV-L

http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=KT4A-V&class=mb


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