hello my computer that i have ordered is unfortunatly a small form factor ( i need small as i dont have alot of space) but it is very hard to find a good low profile AGP 4x graphic card from Nvidia so i was looking around for PCI cards ( i know old technology) but i have found this one it's model is 3dfr4000p which is a wierd number but if you google it you'll get the results right away i would like to run Vistas aero when it finally gets relased and 128MB seems fair to play it nice so what is your opinion on this card another thing how do you remove old posts i mean i thought i removed certain posts months ago only to find them later with a bunch of replys that i do not need :P. It's really sad Im great when it comes to other people's computers but when it comes to my own i always get stuck with the weird stupid porblems that i haveno idea what happened :S

"i thought i removed certain posts months ago " Really? Not sure why you'd think that: First and foremost, any post made to Computing.Net will remain on Computing.Net until a moderator chooses to remove it. While requests for removal are sometimes granted, at no time is the owner of Computing.Net obligated to remove a post made onto the site. In all but certain circumstances, a post made on the site will stay on the site for use by future users. We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the complete works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know that is not true

oh ok i didnt know that i just "removed" them to help de cluterize but if they want to keep them then can i dont care lol anyways someone please help me with main problem th video card thing thnx It's really sad Im great when it comes to other people's computers but when it comes to my own i always get stuck with the weird stupid porblems that i haveno idea what happened :S

You cannot remove posts...there are there to stay "forever" unless removed by the moderator. I hate SFF PCs. IMO, they're nothing but a hassle. Very limited choices for replacement or upgrade parts (as you well know), many parts are proprietary, & they usually have poor airflow characteristics. And I basically advised against buying it in this post: http://www.computing.net/cpus/wwwboard/forum/13228.html You can use a PCI video card, but don't expect to be able to do any substantial gaming with it, if that's your plan. I think you're giving up too quickly trying to find a low profile AGP card...& don't limit yourself to just nVidia. I think I told you in another post it's the height of the card that makes it low profile, not the bracket. If you find a low profile card with a standard height bracket, you can always change it...but the low profile bracket will set you back another $5-10 or so, plus you'll have to get one that has the video-out holes in the right locations. If you're not concerned about the card warranty, you could get one with a standard size bracket then simply use a pair of tinsnips to cut it down to size...then bend a 90 in it & drill a hole for a screw. It seems that most low profile cards use 64-bit memory? Here's a couple of possibilities...not great cards, but they're low profile & come with an extra bracket: http://www.xpcgear.com/jatonfx5200tv.html http://www.xpcgear.com/jetonmx4000.html

If it were up to me, I'd remove all of them, as I doubt any would be missed Sadly, that is not the case We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the complete works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know that is not true

well then if i can squeeze a half height card in there how can i tell the height of it, is it obvious in pictures also where can i find the bracket or can i leave it braketless, and lastly what about the fan do i need to buy a new fan and if so where do i stick it since it is a sff It's really sad Im great when it comes to other people's computers but when it comes to my own i always get stuck with the weird stupid porblems that i haveno idea what happened :S

You insisted on SFF, so you're gonna have to deal with the fact that your upgrade choices will be severely limited. I just had a look at newegg & this is the best low profile card I came across. It's a Radeon 9600 128MB/128-bit & is MUCH better than both the MX4000 (which sucks) & the FX5200. It doesn't have the low profile bracket though, so you'd have to come up with one, or modify the existing bracket to get it to fit: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814153028 You could probably leave it bracketless, but I wouldn't recommend it. And why do you all of a sudden need a cooling fan? That's one of the things I mentioned when I advised against going with SFF...they're generally cramped & have no place for added cooling fans. http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-627.html