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Name: cpmusick
Date: April 12, 2004 at 11:15:05 Pacific
OS: Windows XP Pro SP1a
CPU/Ram: Athlon XP 2600+ \ 1GB DDR
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Hello. I've got a problem here that I've been aching to solve. I've tried everything and no luck. The problem is that when I power on my PC, all the fans, hard drives, cdroms, and everything will power on just fine, however, it shows nothing on my monitor. It's like the monitor's getting no signal at all.

It all started when the other day my computer blew the power supply during the middle of a game I was playing. The computer just shut off and didn't turn back on. I tested the power supply on 2 other computers and it doesnt work. I just bought it a month ago and now its dead.

So to do some testing, I decided to try a couple other power supplies to get my computer functioning. Hmm. Seems there's that problem. Nothing will show up on the monitor. I think maybe when the power supply blew, it screwed up something on the motherboard as well (?)

I know it's not the video card because I tried another card and it didnt work either (but it works in the computer I originally jacked it from). It's not the memory because I've tried completely different sticks and brands of memory......and still no luck.

I've also unplugged all PCI cards, while leaving only my display adapter (Radeon 8500) plugged in. I've also unplugged all of my hard drives and floppy from the motherboard. Still, the same problem persists.

I've also tried clearing the CMOS by using the jumper to set everything to default. I even tried messing around with the jumpers that set the CPU FSB speed......no luck at all.

Now I am completely stumped. I've pretty much tried everything I can think of.....with it resulting in nothing but failure. Also, I just had to buy this new motherboard and CPU around a month ago, so I really don't want to waste more money on another one.

If anyone has any suggestions at all that could help me with this problem, it would be greatly appreciated.



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Response Number 1
Name: angrymen2001
Date: April 12, 2004 at 11:47:56 Pacific
Reply:

I hate to say this, but it sounds like you may have lost either your mobo or your CPU.

When all else fails, beat the %*#$! out of it!!!


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Response Number 2
Name: OtheHill
Date: April 12, 2004 at 12:30:14 Pacific
Reply:

If you can, test any components in that machine in another one. Memory, video, CPU, add in cards. It does sound like you fried other hardware besides the power supply. First thing on your list should be a good surge protector. If you have no means of testing the mentioned components you may be able to take them to a shop for individual testing. If most everything ends up being fried you will have the oportunity to start fresh and build a whole new system.


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Response Number 3
Name: papa2
Date: April 12, 2004 at 12:40:27 Pacific
Reply:

I agree with the above. It sounds like your motherboard went and took the power supply out with it (or vice versa).

The CPU `might' be ok.


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Response Number 4
Name: cpmusick
Date: April 12, 2004 at 12:50:40 Pacific
Reply:

I've tested my video card, memory and drives (hard drives and cdroms) in another computer (the one I'm using to type this message), and they seem to work just fine. The only thing I haven't tested on another machine is my sound card and WinFast tv2000 card. So I guess it has to be either the motherboard or CPU.

I would test the CPU in another computer, but I'm afraid that it may screw up that computer too, if something is wrong with the CPU as well. I also thought about putting a different CPU in my motherboard to see if the motherboard is fine, but I don't want to risk messing up that CPU as well. :(

If all else fails, it looks like I'll have to make yet another trip to Fry's for a new motherboard\CPU. However, I dont have the money for all this. If anyone would recommend a good motherboard then please let me know. I'm not gonna get a cheap one this time (if I do end up getting another motherboard). I want a good one that people have had good experiences with and that will last for a long time.

Also, does anyone know of any reasons why the motherboard who just go out all of a sudden? I checked to make sure there wasn't a misplaced screw stuck behind it or anything, so that shouldn't have caused it.


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Response Number 5
Name: OtheHill
Date: April 12, 2004 at 13:35:50 Pacific
Reply:

You stated that your power supply blew the other day. A power surge could have caused the problem. No motherboard can necessarily stand up to that. As I said in my last post, your first purchase should be a decent surge protector. Get a brand name power supply in the proper size. In order to help you with other hardware choices you need to give more detail on what the computer will be used for and what your budget might be. What type, speed and size memory do you have that is reusable? Also what video card do you have that works?


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Response Number 6
Name: cpmusick
Date: April 12, 2004 at 13:53:20 Pacific
Reply:

I've heard that some power supplies have surge protection built in. Does that really work? If so, I could get one of those.

As for my hardware that works, here's what I have:

2 Sticks of PC2100 DDR RAM, 512MB each (1GB total)
Radeon 8500 (128MB)
WinFast TV2000XP Expert TV Tuner
Philips SonicEdge 5.1 Sound Card
60GB Maxtor 7200RPM Hard Drive
80GB IBM 7200RPM Hard Drive
4x Emperex DVD-Burner
52x24x52 CD-Burner

I use my computer for a variety of things. I play lots of video games (fay cry, halo, silent hill 1,2,3, etc) and multiplayer games (Star Wars Galaxies, Battlefield 1942, etc). I also do a lot of video editing. I've started that since my brother joined the Polyphonic Spree. Although I'm not too fond of the band's music, I'll record and edit all tv shows he appears on. I'm making a DVD for them as well.

Now to get back on track....I also use my PC for various multimedia programs, such as watching DVD's, videos, watching TV, and also photoshop editing. I do web design as well (www.gtavicehq.com) with Dreamweaver and Frontpage. I also run loads of other programs too. So I guess I should say I use my computer for pretty much everything.

Now I've been reading a couple reviews on the AMD Ahtlon XP 2500+ Barton CPU and heard it's one of the best, if not the best, of its kind. I'm thinking of getting a CPU and Motherboard combo and that CPU seems to get lots of good ratings. Would you recommend it?

Also, since I have PC2100 and the Athlon 2600+ runs at 333MHz FSB, that would create a problem right? Wouldn't I have to run the CPU at a lower speed (set it to lower FSB) in order for it to support the memory? If so, then what is the fastest processor that runs at 266MHz FSB?


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Response Number 7
Name: OtheHill
Date: April 12, 2004 at 14:53:00 Pacific
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I'm pretty sure the 2600 barton is unlocked and can be set to any FSB. I have a 2500 barton that I've had about a month and it is unlocked. Double check on that. I would suggest on of the nForce2 MBoards. There are many to choose from. You can just about get any configuration you want. Go to the website of your favorite brand and check thier offerings in nForce2. They will have a least a few. To verify about that barton try a new post with that question. I would suggest going to a board with 400FSB capability. Look at newegg.com for thier offerings of AMD chips. I think 2400xp is the fastest 266 chip. As I said I think you could run at 266 or depending on the board run the memory asyronously.


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Response Number 8
Name: cpmusick
Date: April 12, 2004 at 23:11:48 Pacific
Reply:

I've found a DFI NFII 400-AL nForce2 Motherboard that's well within my price range ($62). Here's the specs page for it:

http://shop4.outpost.com/product/3931158

That seems like a nice motherboard for the price. Would you recommend it?
I also found this GigaByte GA-7S748L SiS 748 Motherboard as well. Link:

http://shop4.outpost.com/product/3796356

Does that one seem good as well? I'm leaning toward the DFI nForce2 motherboard, due to the features and price. Do you think that would be a good one to buy?


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Response Number 9
Name: angrymen2001
Date: April 13, 2004 at 04:57:00 Pacific
Reply:

Without looking at the specs, I would lean more towards the gigabyte. I've never heard of DFI before. But for all I know they may be quite popular and I'm just unaware. When it comes to mobos I try to stay towards the popular brands (for AMD Gigabyte and Asus are my faves). Ever seen forrest gump? "noname mobos are like a box of chocolate, you never know what you're gonna get" Someone correct me if I'm wrong about DFI.

When all else fails, beat the %*#$! out of it!!!


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Response Number 10
Name: cpmusick
Date: April 13, 2004 at 22:35:23 Pacific
Reply:

Well, I got me a new motherboard. It's not one I previously mentioned, but it's nice. :) I got the Gigabyte 7VT600-L and it's quite nice. It does everything I need it to plus more. Also, ulike my piece of crap ECS motherboard that caused all the problems in the first place, this new motherboard will allow me to run the CPU FSB at a different speed than the RAM. Since I have PC2100 DDR RAM and an Athlon 2600+ (Barton) the old ECS motherboard didn't like them having different speeds.

I know it's best to run the CPU FSB and RAM at the same speed, but I have to wait until I can rake up more money to get DDR333 memory. But running the 2600+ at full speed even with the memory at DDR266 is better than before, with the memory still at 266, but the CPU was 266 FSB as well.

Over all, I like my new board. I feel safe now that I actually have a decent board, rather than a pile of crap known as an ECS board, which stands for Extremely Crappy S***. :)


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Response Number 11
Name: cpmusick
Date: April 13, 2004 at 22:38:51 Pacific
Reply:

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that I'm planning a beat-n-bash session, which will be between me and my crappy ECS mobo :) It will be like the scene on the movie Office Space, where they take the printer that always screw up into a field and beat the living hell out of it :) hehe


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Response Number 12
Name: Michelle67
Date: April 14, 2004 at 02:29:23 Pacific
Reply:

The 2600+ does come in 266 fsb but I have only found it on AMD's site.


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Response Number 13
Name: cpmusick
Date: April 14, 2004 at 06:29:35 Pacific
Reply:

Yeah, I heard it does. However, mine is the 333 FSB. Now a question. If I were to get new memory that ran faster than the FSB, say DDR400, would that have a big negative impact on performance? Would it be much better than how I already have DDR266?


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Response Number 14
Name: burgas
Date: April 26, 2004 at 03:52:34 Pacific
Reply:

The bus speed your ram works at is dependant on your cpu bus. Therefore there is no point paying the extra for ddr400 ram becaue your cpu is only a 333mhz and ddr400 would only run at 333mhz. Ddr333mhz you be your best option for max performance.


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