PC Upgrades

August 11, 2009 at 13:17:16
Specs: Windows XP PRO
I am thinking of adding upgrades to my pc but I was wondering if it is worth it considering the kind of motherboard I have.
Do you think it is worth upgrading or simply buying a new motherboard
My system specs is
file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Anderson/Desktop/Report.htm

thanks


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#1
August 11, 2009 at 13:29:23
Your link does not point anywhere.

Why not just take the time to post a list of your specs or if it is a brand-name at least the make/model number

Goin' Fishin' (Some day)


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#2
August 11, 2009 at 16:12:26
Motherboard Name-Biostar NF61S Micro AM2 SE
Front Side Bus Properties:
Bus Type-AMD Hammer
Real Clock-200 MHz
Effective Clock-200 MHz
HyperTransport Clock -1000 MHz

Memory Bus Properties;
Bus Type DDR2 SDRAM
Bus Width 64-bit
DRAM:FSB Ratio-CPU/8
Real Clock-251 MHz (DDR)
Effective Clock-502 MHz
Bandwidth 4019 MB/s

Motherboard Physical Info:
CPU Sockets/Slots-1 Socket AM2
Expansion Slots-2 PCI, 1 PCI-E x1, 1 PCI-E x16
RAM Slots-2 DDR2 DIMM
Form Factor-Micro ATX
Motherboard Size-210 mm x 240 mm
Motherboard Chipset nForce6100-405

Here are the specs


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#3
August 12, 2009 at 16:51:04
anyone gonna reply?

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#4
August 12, 2009 at 17:01:59
It has only been 39 minutes. Be patient.

Why do you feel you need to upgrade? What is it the present system can't do?

Are you using the onboard graphics?


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#5
August 13, 2009 at 07:46:01
I have a ati graphics card-256 mb..
the motherboard can fully hold two gigs of RAM but i dont want to upgrade it because the processor is still really slow...what do you think. Should i add more RAM or just buy a new mother board and start from there... I want speed...

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#6
August 13, 2009 at 11:07:06
the questions involved are a) what do you want to do that you can't already (word process, web browse, game, rip dvds, etc) and b) how much can you spend?

if you've got thousands of dollars to burn, hell yeah build something all new. If you've got like $200, though, you have fewer options.

256MB on a vid card is kinda low, esp. depending on the model. you could probably find something new for around $100 that would show a vast improvement in gaming over your current board.

in XP pro, 2GB is sometimes described as the "sweet spot," but if you see yourself hitting that limit a lot, you could drop another gig or 2 in, but depending on the mobo and whether it uses Dual Channel, you could end up hurting performance.

short answer: since your board supports PCIe and DDR2, you can probably utilize it for a while.


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#7
August 13, 2009 at 12:19:59
Anderson

In case you didn't understand the questions and answers the processor is not the only component that makes a difference. If you are a gamer the graphics card may be even more important.

The differences in one motherboard over another in the same class is usually minimal. More about bragging rights than real world performance.

You probably aren't squeezing all you could from your present setup.

Without knowing how you use your computer we can't give definitive answers.


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#8
August 13, 2009 at 12:26:51
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products...

what do you think of that motherboard.
Its size is 9.6 inches X 9.6 inches
my Motherboard's size is 21cm X 24cm
do the both have the screws in the same place.
I want to put a AMD athlon 64 X2 6000+ in it.


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#9
August 13, 2009 at 13:15:29
All ATX have the same screw pattern and so do all mATX boards. What will fit is determined by the type of case you have. Both your current board and the one you linked are mATX.

That said, I think you are wasting your cash by changing the board. The chip set is not the newest available and it is still integrated graphics.

You would be better off putting your cash into a dedicated graphics card instead. As far as upgrading the processor your current board should be able to handle a faster processor just as well.


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#10
August 13, 2009 at 18:32:24
http://products.amd.com/en-us/Deskt...
I want to use a processor like that.I dont think my current mother board will support it thats why i was looking for one to buy..I dont want to put money into upgrading my current system because in a few years I will eventually need to upgrade the motherboard because I want a faster processor..
So what do you think is a decent motherboard for the Processor in the link..
currently I have a Biostar micro atx motherboard so I think i will want a biostar motherboard for that processor..
But anyway you're the experts so what do you think???

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#11
August 13, 2009 at 19:57:17
Without a model number for your current board I can't state but it is possible your current board can support that processor.

I will try to make a case that you are going in the wrong direction. Integrated graphics with a fast processor. doesn't make a lot of sense.

If you would explain what you intend to do with the computer then it might make sense.


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#12
August 13, 2009 at 20:17:40
I just want to play some decent games and run some software..nothing to much.
This is everything about my motherboad
MANUFACTURER-BIOSTAR GROUP
MODEL NUMBER- NF61S-M2A
THIS IS THE MOTHERBOARD
http://www.biostar-usa.com/app/en-u...
What is the fastest AMD processor it can possibly handle..
also what is a good video card to put into it..currently i have 256 mb..

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#13
August 13, 2009 at 20:33:11
I think I have the version1.0 mother board but Im not seeing it. the board in the link above is 6.x
does the version really matter?


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#14
August 13, 2009 at 20:36:48
http://www.biostar-usa.com/app/en-u...
this is version 1.0

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#15
August 14, 2009 at 05:44:14
Your present board and the new board are both AM2 socket. The differences in the chipset are not worth upgrading in my opinion.

You still have not said what you intend to use the computer for.

A BIOS flash to your present board should allow for faster CPUs. That, however isn't going to make a lot of difference.

Integrated graphics on both those boards would be the bottleneck for any serious gaming. Buy an add in PCIx-16 graphics card and install it in your present rig. If you still wish to change out the motherboard you will be able to migrate that card to the new board.


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#16
August 14, 2009 at 08:49:27
http://products.amd.com/en-us/Deskt...
will that processor be able to fit into my motherboard?
If not, what is the fastest processor that I could possibly put in there.
I also have a PCIx -16 graphics card installed...128mb
Please shed some light on the processor.

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#17
August 14, 2009 at 09:30:49
How about telling us what processor you are currently running.

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#18
August 14, 2009 at 11:13:54
Motherboard Physical Info:
CPU Sockets/Slots-1 Socket AM2
Expansion Slots-2 PCI, 1 PCI-E x1, 1 PCI-E x16
RAM Slots-2 DDR2 DIMM
Form Factor-Micro ATX
Motherboard Size-210 mm x 240 mm
Motherboard Chipset nForce6100-405


CPU Type-AMD Athlon 64, 2000 MHz 3200+
CPU Alias Orleans-512
CPU Stepping DH-F2
Instruction Set-x86, x86-64, MMX, 3DNow!, SSE, SSE2, SSE3
Original Clock-2000 MHz
Min / Max CPU Multiplier 4x / 10x

CPU Physical Info
Package Type 940 Pin uOPGA
Package Size 4.00 cm x 4.00 cm
Transistors 81.1 million
Process Technology 9Mi, 90 nm, CMOS, Cu, DSL SOI
Die Size 103 mm2
Core Voltage 1.100 - 1.450 V
Company Name Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.


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#19
August 14, 2009 at 14:37:18
Look at the link below from the Biostar site. It indicates you can use that processor but you first need to flash your BIOS.

http://www.biostar-usa.com/app/en-u...


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#20
August 14, 2009 at 17:29:07
on that same link you posted to me, this processor was also supported-AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 Dual-Core 6000+....Are you 100% absolutely sure that will work on my motherboard?? can it work with a 450 W power supply?

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#21
August 14, 2009 at 17:36:05
I am reading the same thing as you and Biostar says that board will support it with a BIOS update.

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#22
August 14, 2009 at 17:39:13
can you get me a link to the updated BIOS? can a 450 W power supply do the job?

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#23
August 14, 2009 at 17:57:33
I downloaded the updated BIOS but will a 450 power supply be enough??

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#24
August 14, 2009 at 20:06:51
Your current CPU doesn't draw much less than the new one. If things are working OK now they should be OK with the 6000+.

Be sure to get the correct BIOS and the correct flash utility. Don't interrupt the flash or you will ruin your motherboard.


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#25
August 15, 2009 at 09:46:27
what will happen if i just installed the new processor without a BIOS flash?
I really want to avoid that risky process of BIOS flashing

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#26
August 15, 2009 at 09:49:11
It may not boot at all or will run at the wrong speed. You will end up swapping them out again anyway.

If you want to play the game you have to pay the dues.

Did you read the info on the link to Biostar? If so, don't you believe the manufacturer. Elsewhere on that site it states your board will only go up to a 5200.


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#27
August 15, 2009 at 09:52:05
will it damage the new processor in any way or will it just run at a lower speed?
Do you recommend doing the BIOS flash or let the professionals do it

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#28
August 15, 2009 at 10:02:15
how does it only go up to a 5200??
where did you see that?

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#29
August 15, 2009 at 11:40:25
Gees, go to the link YOU provided in #14 and look at CPU support.

The link I provided clearly states that you should update your BIOS prior to upgrading your CPU.

I think if you are that scared then you shouldn't perform the flash, or for that matter, the processor upgrade.


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#30
August 15, 2009 at 12:05:15
I posted the wrong board in # 14.this is my board
http://www.biostar-usa.com/app/en-u...
It says in the link that my board supports the AMD Athlon 64X2 6000+ but with a BIOS update..
I know now that it supports the CPU so I can carry it into a PC store and have them do the BIOS flash and CPU upgrade..
Thanks for all your help!!

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#31
August 15, 2009 at 13:04:51
I just had another look at your CPU selection and that chip draws 125W. That is a lot. I am not sure your PSU has enough power. Below is a link to a good price on that chip.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

The board linked below will accept a wider range of processors.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

Here is a link to some of them.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

Or you could consider this board.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...


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#32
August 15, 2009 at 20:40:38
You haven't listed your system specs. We need to know the make/model of ALL the primary components...board, CPU, RAM, video card, PSU. So far we know this:

board = Biostar NF61S Micro AM2 SE 6.x
CPU = A64 3200+ Orleans (single core) @ 2.0GHz

Your RAM situation is unclear. I don't see where you state how much RAM you have but looking at what you posted in response 2, you have some problems. For one thing, the RAM is running in single channel mode as evidenced by "Bus Width 64-bit"...I don't know if it's because you only have one stick installed or if you have two that aren't matching. Not only that but it's running way under speed at "Real Clock-251 MHz (DDR)". It should have a bus width of 128-bit & a real clock speed of 400MHz. If you're gonna upgrade, the 1st thing you should buy is 2GB (2 x 1GB) of DDR2-800.

Your video card needs to be explained in more detail..."ati graphics card-256 mb" doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot. It *may* be a good card or it *may* be a low end piece of sh!t. Without a model number, we have no idea what you have.

The same can be said for your PSU...450W doesn't mean sh!t. We need the brand name of the unit & the amperage specs.

So far there are 32 responses & not much of a solution. The main problem is that you haven't supplied your complete system info, plus you're not reading up on stuff yourself. If you swap the CPU, Biostar states that you should "please update bios first before changing or upgrading processors". If you're too scared to do so, you're going to have to determine what your current BIOS version is & stick with the CPU's that are supported by that version. Do NOT pay someone to do it! You'll end up spending way more that that old system is worth!! Also, if you looked at the CPU support list you'd see that your board doesn't suport the 125W version of the 6000+, you'd need the 89W version.

It appears that Newegg has dumped it's stock of AM2 CPU's & TigerDirect has done likewise, so you're gonna have to shop elsewhere. Try eWiz:

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name...


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#33
August 15, 2009 at 21:09:49
You could get a Gigabyte board based on the new AMD 785G chipset for $80:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

An Athlon II X2 240 Regor 2.8GHz for $61:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

And 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2-1066 for $60:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

So for $200 you could have a modern system. Compare that cost to the cost of an X2 6000+, how much a shop would pay to flash the BIOS & install the new CPU, plus the cost of 2GB DDR2-800 & I think you're see the above setup is a much better deal. It would spank the crap out of your "upgraded system" too.


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#34
August 16, 2009 at 06:55:36
what will happen if I put the 125 W processor in the motherboard and it can only hold 89 W??

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#35
August 16, 2009 at 09:03:51
If you have a GOOD quality PSU rated a 450W it may be enough. If not then worst case scenario is no POST or BSODs that have no explanation.

Your current PSU should have ratings on it as well as the brand and model. Posting all that info off it would help to determine if your PSU is OK to use with the new CPU.

Are you planning on staying with the graphics card you posted above?

jam
It is always good to see you join in on hardware posts. I missed the bandwidth spec, I have to admit. The current board can only handle 2GB.


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#36
August 16, 2009 at 10:49:13
"what will happen if I put the 125 W processor in the motherboard and it can only hold 89 W??"

Your board does NOT support 125W CPUs. I posted a link to the 6000+ 89W version in response 32. If you try the 125W version, it will NOT work...beyond that, I don't know what will happen. You *may* fry the board, the CPU or both. Get the 125W CPU idea out of your head. It will NOT work.

And once again, you have not provided any of the additional info I asked for. If your system performs like crap, it may have nothing to do with the CPU. For example, if you only have 256MB RAM, the system will be extremely sluggish. And if that 256MB stick is running at the wrong speed, it will hurt performance all the more. Right now, 2GB is the "sweet spot" for WinXP, 256MB is pathetic. Upgrade your RAM before doing anything else.

And if better gaming performance is what you're after, you need a decent video card. You need to tell us more than "ATI 256MB". There are dozens of cards that fit that description...some are good, some suck.



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#37
August 16, 2009 at 13:42:33
Anderson

I appears jam is correct about the 125W. I didn't realize there were two versions of the 6000+. I did tell you it would work and provided at link but didn't notice the 89W after the 6000+. Must be built on the 65nm fab. Sorry about that.

As I stated a few above I am glad jam the man is here. Fortunately no harm done. Guess that is why I call myself OtheHill. Didn't even pick up on it when you asked about an 89W processor. My only excuse is trying to keep up with posts while watching the Tigers and Tiger Wood.


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#38
August 16, 2009 at 17:35:43
so what makes the 125 W different from the 89 W??
Do the two perform the same?
I know that the "nm" are different on both processors. what does this mean??

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#39
August 16, 2009 at 18:08:31
I have reviewed most of this thread and I am not sure which version of your motherboard you have. That said, you have yet to post how much system memory you have installed and what capacity each module is.

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#40
August 16, 2009 at 19:27:01
http://www.biostar-usa.com/app/en-u...

that is the CORRECT board there..
do stores still sell the AMD 64 X2 6000+ processor?? this one to be EXACT..
Brisbane G2 6000+ with 3.1 GHz, 89W TDP and 2x512KiB L2-Cache

also in the link i provided, how do i flash the bios?? any help would be greatly appreciated


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#41
August 17, 2009 at 06:37:31
This is the last time I'm gonna respond to this thread. You're obsessing about the CPU & still haven't answered our questions about your RAM, video card or power supply.

And why is it so difficult to understand that a 125W CPU will not work? Apparently your board isn't capable of supplying 125W to the CPU socket. Regardless, Biostar says it won't work so that should be good enough.

"do stores still sell the AMD 64 X2 6000+ processor??"

I provided a link to where you can order one at the bottom of response 32...$68 with free shipping. The AM2 platform has already become outdated & most of the online retailers have dumped their stock in favor of AM2+ & AM3 CPUs. You'll probably have trouble finding one "in a store".

"how do i flash the bios??"

That takes us back to what I wrote in response 32 again...."you're not reading up on stuff yourself". The instructions on how to flash the BIOS are on the BIOS download page at the Biostar site:

http://www.biostar-usa.com/app/en-u...

Judging from everything you've written, you're not very knowledgable about computers. I don't know if you should be attempting a BIOS flash. But if you're gonna do it, do it before you buy anything. That way if you screw up & trash the board, you won't have wasted your money on a CPU that won't be needed.


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#42
August 17, 2009 at 06:40:26
thanks for all the help

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#43
August 17, 2009 at 07:10:55
http://www.mediafire.com/download.p...

that is everthing about my pc
just download the file


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#44
August 17, 2009 at 07:20:26
Anderson

I speak only for myself but I am not going to open a file like that. If you want more help then post the computer hardware specs here in the open forum. We already know much of them but you have yet to list the memory module capacities or the power supply specs. Those are the items I am interested in. Hard drive type, brand and capacity too. If you don't know how to obtain those specs then download SIW from the link below. SIW will show the memory and hard drive. You need to read the specs of your power supply off the power supply or at least post the brand and model number.

http://www.gtopala.com/siw-download...


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