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Overheating, Bad Thermal Paste?

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Name: destined_strider
Date: May 16, 2005 at 19:19:24 Pacific
OS: XP SP2
CPU/Ram: 3.2ghz P4 Prescott
Comment:

Well the basic problem im getting is my cpu is overheating alot, and its not necessarly a new problem, but its gotton worse, at first after i got my new system i was getting 46 idle and high 50s low 60s under load. My friend was the one who applied the paste though, also that was an another motherboard, after i got this new motherboard i applied the paste (Arctic Alumina), and ive applied it many times following steps ive read over and over and still get the same results mid 60s idle and mid high 70s!!! under load. So im thinking maybe im just not doing it right or simply the paste i used sucks.

Any help would be appreciated.

Specs:
3.2 Ghz Pentium4 Prescott w/HTT (enabled)
Giga-Byte 8IG1000 Pro-G Motherboard
512 Patriot PC3200 400mhz Ram
PNY 6600 GT 128mb Video Card
Audigy 2 ZS Sound Card
Aspire 450 Watt Power Supply
120gb Maxtor
250gb Maxtor
Win XP SP2



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Response Number 1
Name: Janos
Date: May 16, 2005 at 19:52:27 Pacific
Reply:

the temps you are quoting are normal for a prescot.

The 3.2 is a fast chip, and the board you have ahs the 865 chipset on it am I correct ?? both run very hot.

So a idle temp around 50 is almost normal, perhaps 2 or so C high but just about normal, and reaching 60 Plus under load is nothin out of the ordinary.

Just make sure the bios is set correctly, especilay the shut down threshold, GGBT set it quiet low by default. Also make sure you have the latest bios updates installed for you board.

Hope that helps

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Response Number 2
Name: ham30
Date: May 16, 2005 at 21:21:19 Pacific
Reply:

You don't mention your case temperature. Maybe adding a case fan will drop the temperature a bit.


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Response Number 3
Name: destined_strider
Date: May 17, 2005 at 09:15:48 Pacific
Reply:

Well my case temp is i think not affecting it int he least since its just a mesh panel (the side has a mlot of small holes, and ive tried running it and even pointing a small house fan at it and no change at all. An as for what Janos said, haha id be fine with 50 idle and maybe low 60s underload, but its not even close to that its 66 idle and high 70s to even low 80s under load. And its gets to becoming a pain because if they get that high and i try watching some kind of video itll lag like not that bad but u can tell easily its lagging.


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Response Number 4
Name: OtheHill
Date: May 17, 2005 at 14:57:24 Pacific
Reply:

Your HS/fan may not be rated for that CPU. Having a mesh panel on the case would seem to promote lower case temps but you should still monitor them. My AMD system runs only 7C to 10C difference between system and CPU temps. That holds true winter or summer. If you have 15 or 20 degree difference then the HS/fan isn't doing its job. My last Intel chip was a P233 so I am not up to speed on the HS. On AMD chips it is possible to install the HS backwards. I would guess the same is true for Intel. With AMD HSs there is a step in the HS that allows clearance from the MB. If installed at 180 degrees the step is at the wrong end and the HS doesn't set flat on the CPU. Check those case temps.


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Response Number 5
Name: Janos
Date: May 17, 2005 at 17:33:17 Pacific
Reply:

Hill

Actualy no the info is not quiet correct, the socket 478 and 775 for intell does not depend on hsf orientation.

The surface area is flat and there are no specific cut outs or guides, it sipmly slides into a square retention housing, and same goes for the latest amd64 chips.

So the only way the hsf is not sittin correctly is if the retention clamps are note seated correctly.

But as I said before the new intells run very hot, idle temps of 45 C + are the norm.

The litle celeron 2.4 Presoctt I have for a play toy sits about 45 C.

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Response Number 6
Name: OtheHill
Date: May 17, 2005 at 18:12:23 Pacific
Reply:

I still would like to hear what the system temps are.


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Response Number 7
Name: PC Bob
Date: May 17, 2005 at 19:04:14 Pacific
Reply:

As for the paste not being any good, I doubt you will find more than a couple of degrees difference between various brands. All it is is just some heat conducting filler material. The best contact would be micro-ground metal to metal. Since that isn't practical or possible, the paste is the way to go. I would heed OtheHill and look for a better and BIGGER heatsink. Get one with a big fan. It doesn't hurt to have lots of case fans, either. I run 4 case fans, plus the one in the PSU. I recently removed one case fan and went to four very quiet fans. Using the mesh case is probably a good idea, so I would really look into the heatsink/fan setup. Especially since you say it has gotten worse. Those temps seem very high to me. Good luck.

Bob


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Response Number 8
Name: Janos
Date: May 17, 2005 at 20:10:22 Pacific
Reply:

I tend to agree with bob !! only a few degrees between the various pastes, but what is interesting is he says its getting worse, by rights it should be getting better.

Most compounds need a few days of normal operation to cure and reach their optimal heat transfer condition.

This in particular applys to artic silver compound, or the Shinitzu which GGBT supply wiht their aftermarket cooler ( it is worth noting that Shinitzu is the same compund used for the heat pads you find on the amd and intel factory heatsinks ).

Another hsf removal might be in order perhaps.

If so clean both surfaces, the hsf and the cpu with a soft tisue dampened in pure alcohol, which you can get from the local chemist, than reapply the paste.

A thin layer on the surface, but when I say thin there must be enough of it to cover the entire surface of the cpu.

Than just rub a much thiner layer on the base of the hsf, in the area that mates with the surface of the cpu.

Lower the heat sink into the cradle, push the retention hooks down until they catch and throw the levers on the top, they must place downword force on the hsf, so make sure they are sitting correctly before throwing the locking levers.

Give the thin about 10 to 15 minutes, than boot the system. Check the temp through the bios shut down the auto fan controll.

As I said before artic silver takes a few days tu cure correctly.

If all that doesnt work, than all one can suggest is you have a good look at the GGBT cpu coolers or the new Zalman range with the 90 mm ultra quiet fans.

I have the vga cooler on my pcix card, and I can honestly tell you it works a lot better than I ever thought it would.

AS for the case fans, you might want to try this configuration if your case can take them.

One 80 mm front intake,
One 80 mm side intake, if you can get the new case sides which have the p4 tube cooler, now I wonder why this was done by the case manufacturers !!! LOL
Two 80 mm rear exhaust fans.

Appart from that there is little else that we can suggest to you I suspect.

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Response Number 9
Name: destined_strider
Date: May 17, 2005 at 22:03:32 Pacific
Reply:

Yeah, i didnt think the paste would do such a big diff, but by worse i mean switching from the motherboards before i had ECS PT800ce-A and that was i guess normal 46 idle and high 50s load. And now 66 idle high 70s load. As for the heatsink not being good for my cpu, its an intel heatsink, OEM, i got it boxed came with the cpu. I'm thinking that getting a new heatsink is the best possible solution to this problem, so far ive read the XP-120 by Thermalright is the best for socket 478. Anyone else got any others i could look into?


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Response Number 10
Name: Janos
Date: May 18, 2005 at 06:05:51 Pacific
Reply:

http://www.zalman.co.kr/eng/product/view.asp?idx=147&code=005009

Have a look at the link above. This is good equipment also.

The oem hsf is good also but as to why you having such a gigh temp beats me.

Now what you also might consider is that the reporting temp between the 2 boards may not be on the money eather.

As I said befoer makse sure the bios os the latest release for your board.

But can I suggest something to you, when the sytem is up and running for a while, very carefully place your finger on the current hsf and see if in fact the thing is as hot as the temps suggest.

If the heat sink feels just warm it is not at 50 C it will be more like 40, id the thing feels hot and you cant hold your finger on it for any length of time eg a minute or 2 than the thing would be over 50 c.

How does the HS on the north bridge feel ??

Warm or hot ?? Going on the temps you have provided it should feel very hot !!!

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Response Number 11
Name: destined_strider
Date: May 18, 2005 at 14:20:33 Pacific
Reply:

Yeah, its really really hot, like to the point where it feels like an electric stove turned on, and u touch the stoves heat plate. As for Bios update, i checked the info for bios updates, and i currently have the latest update F5, but by date is rather old 9/9/2004 not too old i guess...


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