I know how you feel about se cards. I have no trouble with mine regardless of which drivers, stock clock, overclock or anything else. Still the old 233/3dfx3000, Duron1300/ATI7200 and my current rig do the same job of running direct draw tests...I can't tell 'em apart by watching. This is a rig I'd like to spend some time with to pin down the problem here. Odd stuff ain't it. Skip

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Hey Skip, I have a 233MMX w/VooDoo3 2000, a Duron 1200 w/GF2 MX, Athlon 1.33 Tbird w/GF4 MX440, & my main machine...1800+ w/Ti4200. I'm gonna go a little off topic here, but something that perplexes me (& I was gonna post this) is a sound lag issue with Spider Solitaire...when the cards are dealt, the sound lags behind. I've seen this on several machines...some slow machines work just fine, some fast machines have the lag. It's something I check on almost every machine I work on, & I've found no "rhyme or reason" for the lag. Have you run across this?

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Hi So you reinstalled drivers and then Directx 9.0b and ran the test? Jam - ok sorry not to be clearer - poor choice of words "can't run". But I though I got the context right. Look if a video card isn't supported then its not. When directx doesn't work properly its not uncommon to have "problems" So what I was saying it was pointless at this moment to have the GF2 card in. I could have asked SteadyLoungin05 uninstall DirectX and put back and earlier version of DX (but that procedure can have problems too!) Strange though if the card isn't supported that DX diag has the same problems with both video cards. Make sure the graphics driver is installed and then last thing install directx. Still no better you may have to update the chipset driver then video, sound then install DirectX

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jam, No, and just played a quick game on the 2400+ with the sound seeming perfect. I'll keep my eyes (ears) open. Back to work; all the cards I've worked with since dx9.0b came out work just fine with it. I do recall one problem with the 8Mb rage pro in my Inspiron 7000 and dx8 and no other problems at all except for the first dx9.0 and 9.0a drivers on just about everything. My ATI7200 one pipe card ran it's best on the most recent catalyst drivers and dx9.0b and it's not a dx9 compatible card. I think I'd just pick one of the cards and do a careful driver install, make sure 9.0b is up to snuff, and do all the scandisk, defrag, malware, and registry clean things I could do. The answer is there somewhere. I did get dxdiag to hiccup in the bouncing box test by removing a file and the quick pause you described occured when dxdiag gave me an error message box. May not be the problem but perhaps it's just something happening in the background. Skip

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Jam and Skip, Thanks for your help. Jam, Yeah I have already done all of that stuff - I ran MSCONFIG and cleaned up a lot of stuff - barely anything starts on bootup now and there are only two or three user services running when I am playing these games. Everything from the 9600SE is off my computer - I am running the GeForce2 right now.... I should go ahead and try then 9600SE again with the install cd?? I'm willing to give anything a shot....

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Here is a report from Cpu-Z: ---------------------- CPU-Z version 1.23 ---------------------- CPUID Output -------------------- Number of CPUs 1 APIC ID 0 Name Intel Pentium 4 Code name Willamette Specification Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1500MHz Family/Model/Stepping F07 Extended Family/Model 0/0 Brand ID 8 Package PGA-423 Core Stepping B2 Technology 0.18µ Instructions Sets MMX, SSE, SSE2 Clock Speed 1495.5 MHz Clock multiplier x15.0 Front Side Bus Frequency 99.7 MHz Bus Speed 398.8 MHz L1 Data Cache 8 KBytes, 4-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size L1 Trace Cache 12 Kµops, 8-way set associative L2 Cache 256 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size L2 Speed 1495.5 MHz (Full) L2 Location On Chip L2 Data Prefetch Logic yes L2 Bus Width 256 bits Here is part of the dxdiag file too: ------------------ System Information ------------------ Time of this report: 7/17/2004, 02:06:35 Machine name: MDM Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 1 (2600.xpsp2.030422-1633) Language: English (Regional Setting: English) System Manufacturer: Sony Corporation System Model: PCV-RX470DS(UC) BIOS: Award Medallion BIOS v6.0 Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1500MHz Memory: 256MB RAM Page File: 189MB used, 236MB available Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0b (4.09.0000.0902) DX Setup Parameters: Not found DxDiag Version: 5.03.0001.0902 32bit Unicode ------------ DxDiag Notes ------------ DirectX Files Tab: No problems found. Display Tab 1: No problems found. Sound Tab 1: No problems found. Music Tab: No problems found. Input Tab: No problems found. Network Tab: No problems found. -------------------- DirectX Debug Levels -------------------- Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a) DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail) DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a) DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a) DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail) DirectSound: 0/5 (retail) DirectShow: 0/6 (retail) --------------- Display Devices --------------- Card name: RADEON 9600 SERIES Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc. Chip type: RADEON 9600 SE AGP (0x4151) DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz) Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4151&SUBSYS_7C20174B&REV_00 Display Memory: 128.0 MB Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz) Monitor: SONY SDM-M51 Monitor Max Res: 1024,768 Driver Name: ati2dvag.dll Driver Version: 6.14.0010.6387 (English) DDI Version: 9 (or higher) Driver Attributes: Final Retail Driver Date/Size: 9/12/2003 09:43:24, 372736 bytes WHQL Logo'd: Yes WHQL Date Stamp: n/a VDD: n/a Mini VDD: ati2mtag.sys Mini VDD Date: 9/12/2003 09:43:04, 611328 bytes Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-0211-11CF-086C-2A5CA1C2CB35} Vendor ID: 0x1002 Device ID: 0x4151 SubSys ID: 0x7C20174B Revision ID: 0x0000 Revision ID: 0x0000 Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D ------------ Sound Devices ------------- Description: USB Audio Default Sound Playback: Yes Default Voice Playback: Yes Hardware ID: USB\Vid_041e&Pid_3010&Rev_0100&MI_00 Manufacturer ID: 65535 Product ID: 65535 Type: WDM Driver Name: usbaudio.sys Driver Version: 5.01.2600.1106 (English) Driver Attributes: Final Retail WHQL Logo'd: Yes Date and Size: 8/29/2002 03:32:32, 56832 bytes Other Files: Driver Provider: Microsoft HW Accel Level: Full Cap Flags: 0xF5F Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000 Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 0, 0 Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0 HW Memory: 0 Voice Management: No EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No Registry: OK Sound Test Result: Not run --------------------- Sound Capture Devices --------------------- Description: USB Audio Default Sound Capture: Yes Default Voice Capture: Yes Driver Name: usbaudio.sys Driver Version: 5.01.2600.1106 (English) Driver Attributes: Final Retail Date and Size: 8/29/2002 03:32:32, 56832 bytes Cap Flags: 0x41 Format Flags: 0xCC0 ----------- DirectMusic ----------- DLS Path: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\drivers\GM.DLS DLS Version: 1.00.0016.0002 Acceleration: n/a Ports: Microsoft Synthesizer, Software (Not Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal, Default Port MPU-401, Hardware (Kernel Mode), Input, No DLS, External MPU-401, Hardware (Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, External USB Audio Device, Software (Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal Microsoft MIDI Mapper [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal MPU-401 [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, External MPU-401 [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Input, No DLS, External Registry: OK Test Result: Not run I did come across something interesting though - In the music tab of dxdiag, where you can test the music - THe music was not choppy on the Microsoft Synthesizer, but it was on everything else. I tried finding drivers, but had no luck. ANy thoughts?

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Hi Which drivers? Sometimes the order in which you install drivers makes a difference to a sucsessful install of directx. Sometimes you can't just update a driver, and you need to remove it first. You should google and see what role directx plays in a windows system - etc. Honestly, I don't know what the makers of directx mean when they say a card isn't supported and yet it still runs ok. (or run the card as well as the older version)

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