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Name: cjae
Date: April 3, 2006 at 02:52:58 Pacific
OS: whatever is viable
CPU/Ram: 200mhz/32 or 64 ?
Product: compaq
Comment:

Hi,

I was just wondering if I could put an old nic in this very old laptop? Like say a old 3com 10base T?

I have quite a limited knowledge of pcmica and since there is only a 56 k modem in it I do not know if it this is possible?

I would like to use a *nix os on it, but don't have dial up and don;t want to have to use floppies.

Or is there a modem to nic adapter or something?

Oh it is a presario 1220.

Oh anyone got a distro working on in?
Saw that mandrake 8.2 went on slick but the site is in french.



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Response Number 1
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: April 3, 2006 at 09:26:47 Pacific
Reply:

Not enough information.
There are many Presario 1220 laptop models.
Look on the label on the bottom of your laptop (the Service Tag label) - tell us which Product Number you have.
If there is no label there, go here to identify your model:
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/genericDocument?docname=bpb50174&product=212728&lc=en&dest_page=product&cc=us

The ones I looked at already have the NIC built in! And they are not all that old!


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Response Number 2
Name: JimPIM
Date: April 3, 2006 at 11:23:35 Pacific
Reply:

Hi, A combonation Nic and Modem is available from several makers. Check out 3COM. If you have two slots you could just get a PCMICA Nic. Good Luck, Jim


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Response Number 3
Name: cjae
Date: April 3, 2006 at 15:30:20 Pacific
Reply:

It's got the 200 mhz cyrix cpu in it


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Response Number 4
Name: name
Date: April 3, 2006 at 19:23:12 Pacific
Reply:

I stay as far away from comcraps as possible. I will say this--all PCMCIA slots are "not" created equal. You need to find the specs on your laptop, quite possibly right at the compaq support site, and determine what cards are compatible.

http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100672.asp


http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_PCMCIA.html


http://www.pcmcia.org/faq.htm


http://www.pcmcia.org/pccard.htm


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Response Number 5
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: April 3, 2006 at 20:29:38 Pacific
Reply:

You already stated it has a 200mhz cpu in your specs.

I found some limited info.
I do not recommend you use this laptop for XP - it holds 96mb of ram maximum - that's enough for Win 95, but not even enough for Win 98/98SE/ME to run properly (128mb; you can get by with 96mb but your hard drive won't achieve full max speed, and there will be a lot more disk thrashing), never mind enough for XP to run properly (256mb). It is nowhere close to meeting the recommended minimums for XP, and it would be incredibly slow if it worked at all.
I don't recommend you spending any money on this laptop unless you can get more ram and the PC card NIC really cheap.

I'm going to assume you have one of the oldest series.
There is a 1220 series, and a 1220es series.
Your 1220 could have any of these numbers on it: 203702-xxx (1220, many), or 261124-101 (1220es, 2)

1220es series came with a "10/100 Ethernet Ready PC Card"
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/genericDocument?cc=us&docname=c00011393&lc=en&jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN
The 1220 and 1220es can use the same cpu, have the same same bios update, so probably have the same mboard.
I assume both can use a PC Card NIC, but I did not find any info about what the Cardbus slot specs are on the HP site, so I do not know what version Cardbus it is.

Searched using: Ethernet Ready PC Card presario 1220
One useful "hit"
Presario 1220ES
Adapters and drivers used in testing: Xircom CardBus Ethernet 10/100
http://developer.novell.com/yes/38438.htm

Searched using: Xircom CardBus Ethernet 10/100
One useful "hit"
Xircom CardBus Ethernet 10/100
drivers, support
http://support.intel.com/support/network/xc/adapter/cbe/
......

Specs 1200 series - nothing about NIC PC cards - 1220 takes a max of 96mb ram - one mboard listed - no mention of 1220ES (these specs are older than on HP site).
ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/supportinformation/consumerdocs/Consumer_QRG/presario1200.pdf

Maintenance and Service Guide for Presario 1230, 1235 - different mboard, a similar case (there is no Guide for 1220 anything).
ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/supportinformation/consumerdocs/MaintServcGd/
- get 1200.pdf

mboard 1220 or 1220es - bare mboard
http://partsurfer.hp.com/cgi-bin/spi/showphoto?partnumber=203731-001

cyrix cpu
http://partsurfer.hp.com/cgi-bin/spi/showphoto?partnumber=203734-001

No part number or drivers found for "10/100 Ethernet Ready PC Card" on the HP site for a 1220 anything laptop.

The 56K modem is a card that plugs into the mboard. There is no NIC card that plugs into the mboard listed in the HP parts lists.



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Response Number 6
Name: cjae
Date: April 5, 2006 at 23:12:06 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks tube and wires, I know all the stuff about putting windows in it that is why I am not going to.

I am having problems trying to find out which one it is as well. I am pulling it all apart.

What does pcmica look like, does it look like it should hold the newer wireless cards out there(shape and design) or has it changed over the years?


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Response Number 7
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: April 5, 2006 at 23:42:36 Pacific
Reply:

There is no point in taking apart the laptop!
There is no NIC board available that will plug into the mboard itself like the 56K modem does! I said that in the last sentence!

PCMIA is a standard - it doesn't look like anything. You get a PC Card NIC card - a larger modular card inside its own enclosure, not anything like a card you install inside the computer like you do in a desktop computer- and you stick in the slot - the large CARDBUS Slot - it adheres to the PCMIA standard.
See the manual I pointed you to. There is no point in taking apart the laptop!
Your laptop is ancient and it is very different from recent laptops that have wireless NIC's and other things inside them!


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Response Number 8
Name: cjae
Date: April 6, 2006 at 13:30:00 Pacific
Reply:

Hey, I already had it apart when I started the post and now it is back together and working perfectly. I needed to look inside to find ALL the hardware makes and models, so I know when I load linux on it.

I was also curious to see the cyrix cpu and its
socket mount, furthermore I cleaned the fan while I was in there.

I do have a pcmcia slot in there. Are all pcmcia slots the same 16 bit speed? Or could this one be even less 8bit?

I am really curious to find a card that has
an ethernet jack 10 mbits/s is good and possibly one usb jack 1.1 or 2.0 all on the same card, is this possible?



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Response Number 9
Name: cjae
Date: April 6, 2006 at 14:20:00 Pacific
Reply:

Tubes and wires

This is the motherboard http://partsurfer.hp.com/cgi-bin/spi/showphoto?partnumber=203731-001

I am pretty sure that a combination card is not viable but I just had to ask cause the type 2 cards support 10mbits/s nics so usb 1.1 is not that far off.

The links your posted are quite useful thanks! I live in Canada, you know of any sites that might sell this stuff as paying to get it across the boarder sucks.

In one your posts http://developer.novell.com/yes/38438.htm this is the exact computer, but what is with the cardbus thing, I thought that cardbus was a step up from pcmcia which is ISA and cardbus is pci?

I just need to find a nic that has a chipset set that is well supported under linux.

Thanks for all the help so far.


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Response Number 10
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: April 6, 2006 at 16:38:32 Pacific
Reply:

The standard that a Carbus slot uses is PCMIA. Anything that is made to plug into that cardbus slot is PCMIA compatible. There are at least 2 version standards of cardbus slots, maybe more.

Your laptop can use a 10/100mbps PC Card NIC, or PCMIA NIC adapter if you prefer to call it that, but 10mbps is fine for the internet.
As far as I know, any of them will work with Linux, but I'm no expert regarding laptops/notebooks. There are lots of Linux related sites where you can check that out.

You don't have to use Linux. Win 95 will run fine on it as is, Win 95 cd's are easy to get - most people will give them away if they still have one, because most have versions of Win 95 that only support hard drives up to 8.4 gb, using FAT instead of FAT32. Win 98/98SE/ME will run on it, but you should have an absolute minimum of 64mb of ram or it will be really pokey.

The mystery here is which version of CARDBUS slot the laptop uses. Some PC Card NIC's are compatible with the earlier standard, some with the later one - a newer PC card may be backward compatible with the older standard, but I don't know for sure.

If you talk to someone who knows about old laptops, they can probably tell you where you might find a new or used PC Card NIC that will work in your laptop, and what cardbus slot version it uses.

You could try this site - (Edmonton, Alberta) - he does answer his email if you send him one.
New and used Laptops, but also desktops and computer pieces, maybe older laptop pieces.
http://www.mrlaptop.net/

Canada/Edmonton links
http://buyitcanada.com/Edmonton/Computers/index.html

This guy has some older stuff but he may not be so good at answering his email (Edmonton):
http://www.creartec.com/

Computers Canada - Canadian search engine - find it in Canada
http://www.computers-canada.com/


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Response Number 11
Name: cjae
Date: April 6, 2006 at 17:18:35 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks T&W's you have been quite helpful. I will try the following links you gave. I just didn't know much about laptops cause noone I knew had one let alone one I could play with.

I know have a couple but this has only been for
3 months. So I need to do a lot of catching up.

Appreciate the help.


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Response Number 12
Name: cjae
Date: April 6, 2006 at 17:20:27 Pacific
Reply:

Also on these sites it says it supports two cards but when I look in the slot it has only one 64 pin interface, I think.


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Response Number 13
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: April 8, 2006 at 15:32:45 Pacific
Reply:

"...one usb jack 1.1 or 2.0 all on the same card, is this possible?"

If you have room for only 1 PCMIA card, you can't use both an NIC and USB at the same time. You can get USB 2.0 PCMIA controller cards with up to at least 4 ports, and they always also are supposed to support USB 1.x, but that backwards support is not 100%, and I'm not sure they will work in the cardbus slot version you have. There are lot of things that won't work connected to a USB hub - e.g. mice and keyboards usually will; printers, scanners, usually won't.


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Response Number 14
Name: corto-armitage
Date: May 14, 2006 at 01:16:13 Pacific
Reply:

A friend gave me a Compaq Presario 1220 that hadn't been used in 4 years (cyrix cpu and 80 mb of RAM, bottom says series 2940A). The computer came with a Netgear FA410 ethernet card but unfortunately the "dongle" was lost. I installed win98se because I wanted to attach it to my home LAN and bought a repotec 32 bit 3.3 volts ethernet card. However, the presario does not see it at all (no beep, no plug n play, no nothing). Same with a USB2 - firewire combo I have. It does see the FA410 card but refuses to install the 98 drivers I downloaded from the compaq website. I imagine however the FA410 card worked in the original win95. Am I missing smt about PC CARDS? Do I have only a 16 bit interface?


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