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Name: Shi229
Date: August 22, 2009 at 04:21:53 Pacific
OS: Windows Vista
Product: Hewlett-packard / A6113w
Subcategory: Video Cards
Tags: Crashing
Comment:

I purchased some upgrades for this computer below:

HP Pavilion a6113w Tower
Specifications
- Intel Pentium Dual Core E2140 @ 1.6 GHz
- 400 GB HDD
- 2 GB RAM
- DVD+\-RW
- Integrated Graphics
- Windows Vista Home Premium 32 Bit

which were a ATI Radeon HD 4850 Video Card and a Roswell 750w Power Supply. Worked great for the first 8 hours crashed for about 3 hours worked again for another 6 hours then crashed again and i cant get it to come back on. power supply is working for all i know and the video card hums on for a second when i try to reboot so i figure it is woking. i have even gone as far as to take out the video card just in case and still unresponsive. . Can anyone help?



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Response Number 1
Name: Gamer126
Date: August 22, 2009 at 04:44:41 Pacific
Reply:

Try putting the old power supply back in to see if thats the problem. Unrelated to the problem but your cpu will bottleneck your video card when playing games.


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Response Number 2
Name: Shi229
Date: August 22, 2009 at 04:48:58 Pacific
Reply:

so it could just be too much power...


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Response Number 3
Name: Shi229
Date: August 22, 2009 at 04:53:12 Pacific
Reply:

it worked w/ the old power supply. does that mean my new one is bad?


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Response Number 4
Name: Gamer126
Date: August 22, 2009 at 05:57:02 Pacific
Reply:

Yeah its probably faulty, take it back for a replacement.


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Response Number 5
Name: Shi229
Date: August 22, 2009 at 07:31:26 Pacific
Reply:

can that stock power supply handle that video card?


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Response Number 6
Name: Gamer126
Date: August 22, 2009 at 07:36:56 Pacific
Reply:

Whats the wattage? Do you mean the 750 watt one? Yeah that will handle it easily


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Response Number 7
Name: Shi229
Date: August 22, 2009 at 08:31:56 Pacific
Reply:

what about the 250w?


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Response Number 8
Name: Gamer126
Date: August 22, 2009 at 08:38:39 Pacific
Reply:

No, it needs to be at least 450.


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Response Number 9
Name: Shi229
Date: August 22, 2009 at 09:12:48 Pacific
Reply:

what will happen if i was to use it?


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Response Number 10
Name: Gamer126
Date: August 22, 2009 at 09:19:35 Pacific
Reply:

Could pretty much fry your entire pc, dont do it.


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Response Number 11
Name: jam
Date: August 22, 2009 at 09:42:13 Pacific
Reply:

"...and a Roswell 750w Power Supply"

It's Rosewill which is Newegg's "house brand". Rosewill doesn't manufacturer PSU's, they're a reseller. Is this the one you bought?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

You could have done a lot better for a lot less money. PSU's with multiple +12v rails should be avoided. Here's a better 650W unit for a lot less money:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

And here's some useful info about PSU's:

http://www.pcpower.com/technology/m...

"so it could just be too much power..."

No, that has nothing to do with it. You could have a 5000W PSU but if your system only requires 400W, that's all the PSU will produce. See the above link.

"what about the 250w?"

Not gonna get it done. If it works at all, it will become overloaded & possibly fry your new video card or worse. Does the old PSU even have the necessary plug(s) for the new card? Don't chance it...pull the new card until you get the PSU replaced.


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Response Number 12
Name: Shi229
Date: August 22, 2009 at 14:39:52 Pacific
Reply:

what is multiple rail/ single rail? i am a newbie!!!


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Response Number 13
Name: SkipCox
Date: August 22, 2009 at 15:34:51 Pacific
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I'll try to keep this simple...a rail is the same as a circuit.

Some of the most important rails in a psu are +3.3v, +5v and +12v. The +12v rail is the most used in a modern computer and it's used a lot...by most everything. When power hungry processors (cpu's) appeared and video cards became more and more power hungry, psu manufacturers has two choices to meet the increased need of +12v power.

1. Build a psu with one very strong +12v circuit or
2. Build a psu with two or more normal +12v circuits.

In example 1., you just simply plug everything in and go about your business. In example 2., you would need to balance the +12v loads manually. Something like Motherboard/CPU on +12v_1, video card 1 on +12v_2, and video card 2 on +12v_3.

So example 1. has a single 12v rail and example 2. has
multiple 12v rails.

Skip


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Response Number 14
Name: Shi229
Date: August 22, 2009 at 17:10:23 Pacific
Reply:

but you would think with this dispursement of power would be more power effiecent and would cause more centralized faults rather a massive power failure...


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Response Number 15
Name: SkipCox
Date: August 22, 2009 at 18:32:16 Pacific
Reply:

I gave a simple outline of single vs multiple rails. It gets more complicated...look at the label of your Rosewill psu.

You have 4 12v rails of 18a each. 4 x 18 = 72 right?

Wrong! 4 x 18 = 54

So, do you look at it like you have 4 18a rails or 4 13.5a rails or 3 18a rails or 2 9a and 2 18a or 1 12a, 1 6a, and 2 18a or ?

Confused? That's intentional...both by me and the psu manufacturers.

Skip


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