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Name: j1mm3h
Date: February 14, 2007 at 22:31:20 Pacific
OS: xp pro
CPU/Ram: p4 1.3/640
Product: hp
Comment:

Ok so I want to buy a new monitor, a widescreen that is. I was first looking into buying this 19" samsung from new egg, but upon inspecting the reviews I saw that because of its odd resolution alot of old graphics wouldnt be compatible with it. By the way I have a Geforce 3 ti500. So basically I need to know if my graphics card can run the monitors resolution of 1440x900? My guess is that probably not? also I stumbled upon another samsung monitor this one a 20" widescreen at new egg which has a higher resolution and upon reading the reviews there was no talk of compatibility issues, its resolution is 1680 X 1050. Can my graphics card support that? Im sorry but im quite noobie at this. Your help is greatly appreciated, I'm stumped here. By the way here are the links to the monitors.

19"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

20"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

Once again your help is extremely appreciated.



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Response Number 1
Name: LinuxOS2
Date: February 15, 2007 at 05:16:50 Pacific
Reply:

A quick look on google showed that your video card spec are:

DVI connector
Onboard DVI connector up to 1280x1024 resolution

The monitors showed:
19" res 1440 x 900
20" res 1680 X 1050

If I were you I would try and match the right card "a new one" to which ever screen you deside on...just my 2 cents, lets see what others have to say on it ?

Keep the old stuff running


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Response Number 2
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: February 15, 2007 at 08:47:36 Pacific
Reply:

All LCD displays have a specified "optimal" or "native" resolution at which the display looks the best - at other resolutions the display will not look as good, and the text will not be as crisp and clear in Windows. However, I have found how good they look in other resolutions varies quite a bit. E.g. Samsung monitors I've seen will still look very good in most other resolutions - a lesser quality make may not.
The older your video is, the less likely it is to have the high resolution settings available that recent LCD monitors specify as the "optimal" or "native" resolution, and the less likely it has to have lesser similar wide screen resolution width to height ratios available. If you choose a resolution that has a standard ratio of height to width, the wide screen display will looked streched, usually horizontally, except when you are playing video meant for the widescreen format.
When you first connect an LCD monitor, Windows assigns the Plug and Play Monitor setting by default, but that set of settings was put together way back when XP was first released and was designed with mostly CRT monitors in mind, and it probably has not changed much since, if any, in newer XP versions. Your LCD monitor is often not capable of supporting some of the higher settings Plug and Play Monitor provides, particularly high vertical refresh rates, and sometimes higher resolutions. Using Plug and Play Monitor settings the LCD monitor can't support properly can result in no display or a scrambled display, or if you are able to get a display using a setting it wasn't designed for, or if you choose settings the video and it's drivers can do but are not shown to you in Windows by default, that can damage the monitor.
Your LCD monitor comes with monitor drivers. If you load those drivers, Windows will by default only show you the resolutions and other settings that both the monitor and the video and it's video drivers you have are capable of.

In the case of your video card it appears you wouldn't be able to display any resolution higher than 1280 x 1024 (that's a standard width to height ratio, not a widescreen one), or thereabouts - you would have to choose a resolution that is less, and one with a widescreen ratio would look best.

Consider the no cost option.
If you already have a CRT monitor that works well, I recommend you keep using it until it is no longer usable. Getting an LCD monitor simply because it takes up less space is not a good reason to get one. CRT monitor displays look equally good at any resolution its drivers will allow.

If you are hell bent on buying an LCD monitor....
- get a better brand and possibly pay more for one with the same specs rather than getting a lesser brand that is less likely to look good in other than the optimal or native resolutions.
- If you want to see what a particular model looks like in other than the optimal or native resolutions, find a local place that has that model on display and try those other resolutions by changing settings in the Display Properties in the computer it is connected to.
- have you considered whether you would actually be using the high resolutions you quote? 1440 x 900 and 1680 x 1050 will make things on a 19" or 20" screen look awfully tiny, and some can't cope with that situation and wouldn't crank up the resolution that high. If I were you I would go for the 19" rather than the 20", or there may be lesser models that have a lower optimal or native resolution that will cost you less money.
- try the monitor with your existing video, using the drivers that come with the monitor. If you don't get a satisfactory display in some resolution other than the optimal or native one, you will have to upgrade your video card.
- Turn on Clear Type in Windows XP - makes type on LCD screens look clearer
http://www.microsoft.com/typography...
- If you get a Samsung monitor, if it comes with MagicTune, I recommend you use it.


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Response Number 3
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: February 15, 2007 at 09:21:36 Pacific
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The response time - the time it takes a pixel to change from one color to another - of LCD montors is MUCH slower that that of CRT monitors - motion and video will always look better on a CRT monitor.
The lower the response time of your LCD monitor - xx ms - the better motion and video will look.


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Response Number 4
Name: j1mm3h
Date: February 15, 2007 at 09:53:59 Pacific
Reply:

LinuxOS2, thats if you use dvi. If you use analog there is alot more resolutions it supports. Heres a link to that, if you scroll down there is both "dvi display resolutions supported" and also "resolutions supported"

http://www.hothardware.com/viewarti...

Tubesandwires, my graphics card doesnt only support those resolutions mentioned, look above. Also yes my 17" CRT is still in working conditions but I was just on newegg.com and there were good deals on monitors, plus I watch alot of videos and movies on my computer so thats another reason, also saving space and electricity doesnt hurt. Yes I want to upgrade my graphics card but not now, so I was just wondering if if my grpahics card would support that monitors I mentioned. So please give me your input with the new link I provided with the resolutions my graphics card supports. Thanks for all the help.



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Response Number 5
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: February 15, 2007 at 10:47:11 Pacific
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Yes, that does show your card is capable of more than 1280 x 1024.
You should try the LCD monitor with your video card and the proper monitor drivers loaded in any case. Sometimes the quoted resolutions are not the only ones the video is capable of - they just list the standard resolutions. You could also look at the NVidia specs for that same chipset.
Other widescreen resolutions that may not be exactly the same as the optimal or native settings often look okay too, even if they are slighly stretched or compressed horizonatally.
The optimal or native resolutions you quoted are both a 1.6 to 1 width to height ratio.

CRT monitors tend to support much higher Vertical refresh rates than even new LCD high end monitors can - the higher the monitor is capable of, the better motion and video will look, and you will note that after a certain point the card cannot support the high vertical refresh rates lower resolutions can.


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Response Number 6
Name: j1mm3h
Date: February 15, 2007 at 13:33:29 Pacific
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So your saying that yes it will support it? I think Im going to get it. Somebody left a review and it said that it worked perfectly on his geforce 4, so my guess is that it should support my geforce aswell. So should I install the drivers that come with the monitor? I herd that for some reason they make the nvidia control panel freeze?


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Response Number 7
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: February 16, 2007 at 07:30:52 Pacific
Reply:

Please make sure you re-read and understand everything in response 2, 3, and 5.

LCD monitors are NOT better than CRT monitors overall. The only thing you would gain other than saving a bit on power (take a look on the back of your CRT monitor - it probably uses less amperage than you thought it did) and space occupied is recent LCD monitors tend to be capable of higher resolutions, but will you use those?

Take a look at the NVidia site and see if it lists more resolutions.
If someone posted the graphics card you have works well with monitors with the same or similar specified optimal or native resolutions, that's good enough for them, but will it be good enough for you?

The up and coming monitor type is laser monitors. The number of colors they produce is superior to any previous monitor type and they cost a lot less than plasma ones to manufacture. In some parts of the world you can get them now.
If I were you I would keep that CRT monitor and save my money until you can get a laser monitor rather than an LCD one.

"So should I install the drivers that come with the monitor?"

Yes. See response 2 for why.

" I herd that for some reason they make the nvidia control panel freeze?"

Lots of things can cause driver problems, but it is extremely unlikely loading the proper monitor drivers has anything to do with that - all they are in the case of a monitor are *.inf files - information files - that tell Windows what settings the monitor is capable of. Cards with NVidia chipsets seem to have more driver problems than others such as those based on ATI chips do - sooner or later there are updated versions that fix the problems.



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Response Number 8
Name: j1mm3h
Date: February 16, 2007 at 12:38:00 Pacific
Reply:

Well I wanted a new monitor because I watch alot of video on my monitor and I wanted a widescreen, and everybody likes LCD monitors, and Ive seen them on real life and they are so clear and bright. Your like the only person Ive herd that doesnt like LCD's. Well I ordered it, hope everything goes well. Thanks for the help.


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Response Number 9
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: February 17, 2007 at 07:03:32 Pacific
Reply:

You're welcome. I'm glad to be of help.



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Response Number 10
Name: ResourceIntensive
Date: February 22, 2007 at 08:46:20 Pacific
Reply:

You can input in a custom resolution and refresh rates in the nvidia control panel under "Screen Resolution". I have an older geforce 3 TI 200 and added- 1680 x 1050 60hz 32 bit, to the list of selections the card is to use. I ordered a 22" widescreen from Costco (22" widescreen, 500nit brightness,5ms response, 1000 to 1 contrast) and am waiting for it to arrive.

Currently using a Viewsonic Professional Series P220f (22") flat CRT monitor @ 1280 x 1024 85 hz, 32bit color. After using a Dell 17 LCD at work and my wifes Gateway 17" LCD the differance is clear (pun intended). Both the Dell and Gateway monitors are sharper and text is much easier to read. After extensively using LCD monitors I now find I can no longer tolerate using a CRT monitor. Of course it is an individual preferance.

The earler LCD suffered from low contrast ratios and response times that blurred motion on the screen making them a bad choice for games or video. This is not so with the current crop of LCD's as LCD televisions have become the maystay of HD models.

Anyway goodluck with your new monitor and I will report back my results when I get mine. I took the risk to get a $30 rebate. If it doesn't work I will just apply the rebate money toward a new vidio card. Either way is ok with me.



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Response Number 11
Name: ResourceIntensive
Date: March 1, 2007 at 12:27:17 Pacific
Reply:

I Received the 22' LCD monitor from Costco today and.... WOW! what a differance. Perfectly clear text, beautiful color. The CRT I replaced was not even close.

the best part was there was no need to change the video card. It works beautifully with the geforce 3 TI 200 I have using the DVI port @ 1680 x 1050 (native res for this monitor). Once I booted up with the new monitor I just changed the screen res to the custom resolution I added to the list of available resolutions earler. Couldn't have been easier.

I hope you have equally good results with your new monitor.

Regards,


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