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New HDD, but computer freezes now

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Name: autobaht383
Date: August 23, 2005 at 13:03:16 Pacific
OS: Win98
CPU/Ram: PII, 400/192M RAM
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i've just installed a new 80Gb HD on my old computer. I've partitioned it into one large primary (i was sleepy so i forgot to do logical partitions after, i just jumped the gun and installed win98... doh!). anyway, after win98 setup, the computer will freeze at certain, random points when the computer is busy (ie: installing a program) and will have to be shut down. a message comes up that reads: "Cannot read or write to drive C:" on a blue screen with "Windows" at the top. any ideas what's going on? could the drive be too big for the BIOS (hence i need to update it because it's 6 years old)? thanks.



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Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: August 23, 2005 at 14:58:29 Pacific
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98 fdisk has problems with drives larger than 64 gig. Here's some info and the patch. Or you can just use the ME verson of fdisk as it doesn't have that problem.

You should also install this. It fixes the problem of fast drives shutting down too soon.


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Response Number 2
Name: autobaht383
Date: August 23, 2005 at 15:40:58 Pacific
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actually windows recognizes the HD in its entirety, so i don't believe the problem of the <64Gb is affecting my system. so as long as i'm not taxing the system with installing even a simple program (such as CD-RW drivers) the computer is fine and i can navigate around windows explorer and various programs like MSWorks.

all 80 gigs of HD space are recognized.

it seems to be when it is writing to the HD (when i'm installing programs).



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Response Number 3
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: August 23, 2005 at 16:52:05 Pacific
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If you used the installation disk that came with the drive or partitioned it with the newer fdisk then that wouldn't be a problem. But I thought I'd include it just in case.

Since it's a fresh installation you may want to remove and recreate the partition, format and reinstall windows again. Be sure to install the IDE cache fix in the second link.


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Response Number 4
Name: autobaht383
Date: August 23, 2005 at 17:23:39 Pacific
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thanks dave.

i will recreate the partition (since i'd want to anyway to create logical partitions) and reinstall windows. i'll also install the IDE cache fix. if the problem persists, i'll be writing again.


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Response Number 5
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: August 23, 2005 at 17:36:31 Pacific
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You should install the cache update anyway. It won't hurt to install it even if you don't need it. And if you don't install it and do need it, you'll already have lost data before you realize it.


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Response Number 6
Name: Rick McNabb
Date: August 24, 2005 at 09:15:53 Pacific
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There can be problems with newer drives when the BIOS does not support the newer Ultra DMA modes, ATA/33, ATA/66, ATA/100.

Go to the drive's properties in Device Manager and see if you can turn off the DMA mode support to see if this helps. Then the drive will use the older PIO protocol(s).

Western Digital, bundles a utility with its EZ Drive software that allows you to toggle the drive between DMA/33 and DMA/66. By resetting a drive to be compatible with the older DMA/33 standard, you are able to reactivate the DMA mode for the drive in both the CMOS Setup and Microsoft Windows. Visit the Web site of your drive manufacturer to see if it offers such a utility.


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Rule #2: There is no such thing as a good computer.


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Response Number 7
Name: ray96
Date: August 24, 2005 at 11:03:45 Pacific
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Yes, i think DAVEINCAPS is exactly right. I would repartition w/ the ME fdisk, and install the patch. That will make sure you have it solved (which i think will solve it).

If God has to teach someone a lesson more than once to get them to learn it, it just goes to show how stubborn they are.


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Response Number 8
Name: autobaht383
Date: August 24, 2005 at 11:41:47 Pacific
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ok, well i tried repartitioning and reformatting, but it's still freezing on me. i learned something new tho, that if i leave the computer frozen it eventually unfreezes itself, however just to freeze up again at a later time. i'm not sure how long it takes to unfreeze but it takes a while and i haven't found the patience to time it.

i did use the windows ME fdisk as well and the patch, and partitioned the drive as follows:
Primary: ~20 gig (25%); set active
Extended: ~60 gig (75%)
Logical: none

i also ran a thorough scandisk which didn't find anything wrong.

that's helpful information about WD's bundle for older BIOS. the drive happens to be a western digital (caviar) ATA-100, so i will look at their website.


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Response Number 9
Name: Rick McNabb
Date: August 24, 2005 at 14:52:18 Pacific
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Yep, James, I would guess your Pentium II system does not support the higher Ultra DMA modes. You can though, for a nominal amount, get an add-on IDE controller card.

Rule #1: Good Computers don't go down.
Rule #2: There is no such thing as a good computer.


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Response Number 10
Name: autobaht383
Date: August 24, 2005 at 14:58:48 Pacific
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do i need the IDE controller card to make it work or should adjusting the DMA mode support work fine alone? i guess i could try adjusting the DMA and if that doesn't work, spend the extra money for the controller card. how much does that cost?


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Response Number 11
Name: jam
Date: August 24, 2005 at 17:48:01 Pacific
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Just use the floppy or CD that came with the HDD...that's what it's for!

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Response Number 12
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: August 24, 2005 at 18:42:00 Pacific
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There shouldn't be a problem in using an ATA 66 and higher drive on a system that doesn't support it. They're downward compatible and it should run OK at ATA 33 which is probably what your computer supports.

I can't think of any reason the drive should be causing the computer to freeze. Just make sure the IDE cable is in good shape and is tightly connected. Try installing the chipset and/or IDE drivers. They should be available on the motherboard manufacturer's site.


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Response Number 13
Name: autobaht383
Date: August 25, 2005 at 14:39:57 Pacific
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i think we're getting closer. i installed the chipset drivers again like you said and it's stopped freezing. my HD didn't come with driver disks so i looked on WD's website and couldn't locate the correct HD for some reason.

however, now i have another problem. i'll get a random allocation error screen with a long string of numbers/letters and the whole blue screen thing again. i press "any key to continue" and i'll get my desktop back, but sometimes with problems. sometimes i'll get a partial desktop with maybe only the clock visible and other various desktop icons. other times i'll get the whole screen that comes back, but smaller problems like clicking on icons does nothing. still other times i'll get a fully functioning desktop. perhaps i should try to reinstall windows?

i'll see if locating the HD drivers helps but if not i'll install windows again, plus reinstall chipset and HD drivers and see if i can get rid of the blue screen of death.


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Response Number 14
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: August 25, 2005 at 16:59:09 Pacific
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Yeah, it'd probably be a good idea to reformat and reinstall windows. Then install the chipset drivers and the IDE patch immediately after the installation.

'Chipset' drivers is kind of a generic term. Sometimes it includes IDE drivers and sometimes it doesn't. With older systems the default 98 drivers are usually adequate. But if they're available on the motherboard site it shouldn't hurt to install them even if you don't need them.


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Response Number 15
Name: autobaht383
Date: August 29, 2005 at 12:55:18 Pacific
Reply:

i know this post has been buried under the heap of newer posts, but i thought i'd update just in case ppl were wondering how this ended.

so i managed to find a winXP upgrade disk at home (apparently by bro bought it just last week) and i used it on my comp. the disk said it couldn't upgrade from Win98 to XP! but there was an option to click "next" so i did and it commenced installation (what's up with that?). anyhow, the product key had been used on 2 comps at my parents place so it wouldn't work on mine. so i looked on the bottom of my laptop (which came w/ XP) and typed in that key and it worked! so now i have no problems at all.

i used to think win98 was the most bug-free OS, but i guess i should tip my hat to newer technology and to the fact that mr. gates is doing something to make things better. thanks to everyone who helped me out in the thread.


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Response Number 16
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: August 29, 2005 at 18:40:55 Pacific
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98 shouldn't have had any problems with your system but newer OS's are more at ease with newer hardware. At least you got it working again.


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