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Name: Jesse (by mooneyjess1999)
Date: January 20, 2004 at 16:42:27 Pacific
OS: Win 98 SE
CPU/Ram: 233mhz/96mb of RAM
Comment:

As you can see from my current computer specs, that the time is coming fairly soon to get a new computer. I am looking at a Dell Dimension 2400, the reason why I chose Dell is because I currently have a Dell Optiplex GS, and it has served me well.

The computer that I am looking at has these specs:

Pentium 4 Processor
2.53Ghz with 533MHz front side bus
40 GB Hard Drive
256MB share DDR SDRAM at 333MHz

I am not sure of the size of the video card but it is a Intel ® 3D Extreme Graphics Card. What does the term “front side bus” mean? How would this computer compare to one that is a 1000 dollars more (speedwise, not features like 256MB video card, DVD-RW etc.)?

Thank-You



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Response Number 1
Name: Jimi_l
Date: January 20, 2004 at 16:56:20 Pacific
Reply:

I hate to break the news but the PC you bought then is NOT they PC you will be getting.

Built and supported in India and Pakistan they are built to last. Last just until the warranty gives out that is.

Speaking of Warranty I hope you know how to speak Indian and like 2 hour hold times because that is where every phone number EXCEPT the order department goes. And that is exactly how long it takes to get to tech India.

Building and supporting overseas is one thing and the retail reject components they supply is yet another. Any standard 3 yr component like an Intel board or Western Digital Drive automaticlly turns in ONE year when installed in a Dell.

Oh and DON'T count on seeing that rebate they promise anytime soon because you won't. In fact Dell recently set up a special rebate complaint forum just to handle all the non producing rebates they are currently juggling.

BTW, if you think any of this is BS, I suggest you read the forums yourself-

http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board?board.id=cc_general

http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board?board.id=cc_credit_return

I STRONGLY suggest you buy from a local builder, whomever or wherever that may be. It's time we tell these American job killers where we stand as consumers.

Jimi_l

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Response Number 2
Name: Jesse (by mooneyjess1999)
Date: January 20, 2004 at 17:47:10 Pacific
Reply:

I live in Canada, and I wonder if the service is any better here than in the US? That Dell Optiplex is from June of 1997, has the quality got that bad since then?

Thank-You


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Response Number 3
Name: johnoh
Date: January 20, 2004 at 17:51:22 Pacific
Reply:

Intel ® 3D Extreme Graphics is graphics on the motherboard which means its okay if you do not play games, but is inadequate if you do any gaming. Better to get a video card.

The above post outlines several reasons why you may end up regretting your Dell. Another point is that if you add anything to the machine later, a pci card or vid card or hard drive or whatever, the power supply may not be able to handle it and your whole machine goes belly-up due to a blown psu. Dell machines have no fat in them.

You'de be amazed how easy it is to build your own PC.

That is a medium fast machine but the onboard graphics will be slow compared to virtually any video card, and the 256mb is not as good as 512mb.

The fsb is the speed at which data is fed into the cpu. An 800mhz fsb 2.4g P4 is easily faster than a 533mhz 2.53g p4.


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Response Number 4
Name: Jimi_l
Date: January 20, 2004 at 17:57:14 Pacific
Reply:

From what I understand it's as bad or worse in Canada and Europe. Simply for the fact that they refer you to US support and US refers you to overseas. A never ending circle jerk more or less.
Please please look around the Dell forums I posted a while before you buy there.

Jimi_l


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Response Number 5
Name: efabes
Date: January 20, 2004 at 18:21:05 Pacific
Reply:

Dudes, its not just dell. The quality of many large pc mfrs has gone downhill. Go into a Bestbuy and just look at:

keyboard- usually the cheapest you can buy. They have the feel of a sub $10 keyboard.

case- any extra drive bays? does it have custom plastic molding that will not allow another brand cd drive? cheap feeling plastic instead of metal?

included software - do they come with an actual windows cd and software or just a set of recovery discs that unclock a restore partition on the harddrive (which eats up your drive space from the beginning).

You would find a lot more cost-cutting on the inside, if you knew what you were looking for.

Check out:JNCS or Alienware (base model for $1700) to get an idea what a good system looks like. Check the included components - they are not customized and can be changed / upgraded in the future.


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Response Number 6
Name: Jesse (by mooneyjess1999)
Date: January 20, 2004 at 19:33:35 Pacific
Reply:

Compared to what I have right now a 233mhz, with 96mb of RAM, will there be a huge difference?

And You say that the onboard Video Card will slow it dow, what if I just got one for the PCI slot, like a 128mb card, would that be good for gaming? Remember the most advanced type of computer gaming I get into is Sim City 3000, Sim City 4 and The Sims, al which run super slow on my current computer, expect for Sim City 3000.


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Response Number 7
Name: Jesse (by mooneyjess1999)
Date: January 20, 2004 at 19:34:31 Pacific
Reply:

I made a little mistake when I said PCI slot, I really meant AGP slot.


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Response Number 8
Name: efabes
Date: January 21, 2004 at 06:21:18 Pacific
Reply:

If you are talking about the specs you listed in your first post vs your current system, then you will notice a huge difference.

However, XP does use more resources. I would recommend 512mb memory.

And yes, an AGP card will improve performance a lot - it has its own processor and memory, so it does not drain resources from the system. Also, the agp slot processes the signal faster than pci.


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Response Number 9
Name: johnoh
Date: January 22, 2004 at 00:43:00 Pacific
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"Compared to what I have right now a 233mhz, with 96mb of RAM, will there be a huge difference?"

Any new system will be hugely faster than that one.

Graphics processing is shared more or less equally between the vid card and the cpu so a new agp card on that system will be somewhat of a waste because the lame 233mhz cpu will be such a weak link. Also, not many current vid cards would work on that old mobo.


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Response Number 10
Name: Mohammad
Date: February 16, 2004 at 08:41:43 Pacific
Reply:

"I made a little mistake when I said PCI slot, I really meant AGP slot."

Actually the motherboard of a dimension 2400 does not have an AGP slot.. just figured this out after buying one and it's on its way..

I'm considering buying a dimension 4600 motherboard (comes with an AGP slot, more memory slots) from ebay for $50 and placing my 2.53GHz CPU that came with the dimension 2400 on it.

what do you guys think? is it feasible? is the CPU gonna be glued on the motherboard? is there a way around that? I appreciate any help or comments.



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Response Number 11
Name: cassia
Date: February 16, 2004 at 19:41:47 Pacific
Reply:

I'm needing a new desktop, mainly for word processing of large documents, as well as some online database researching and email. I don't care about graphics, other than wanting something that's not too hard on the eyes.

Right now, I'm looking at Dell Dimension 4600 or Optiplex GX270. It may be easy to build one's own computer, but I'm not up for learning right now, so....what would anyone recommend???

Thanks.


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