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My laptop only works in my room...

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Name: El-Trucha
Date: November 1, 2004 at 18:20:32 Pacific
OS: Windows XP Home
CPU/Ram: 2.8 GHz/448 MB
Comment:

Hello everybody!!
OK...I work with my laptop most of the time in my room...but...sometimes I take it to the kitchen, then do things in it for about an hour...and then...TIK...it just shuts off!!
I try turning it on again, it gets to the WinXP load screen...TIK...again...:@
I try again, but this time I try Safe Mode...
It gets to loading one of the lines and...TIK...
Then try again in my room, and it works good...
Maybe a change in the climate?? I know it's not Blaster because it only doesnt work in the kitchen and in the car...it works on my living room, my bedroom, and in some other rooms...
It even happens when I unplug it off the wall and disconnect all USB stuff I have on it!! (a wi-fi mouse and a USB flash drive)
What the fudge is happening here?!! :(
I really suffer a lot when thinking about sending it back to Circuit City for repair, even tho I still have warranty...:(
It's a Toshiba Satellite A75-S206...
Much, much thanx!! ;)

El-Trucha
http://www.masterleito.ath.cx
ftp://tsfc.homeftp.net
hotline://tsfc.ath.cx



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Response Number 1
Name: sirfeck
Date: November 1, 2004 at 18:39:11 Pacific
Reply:

souunds to me like you have a cooling problem, maybe your bedroom is cooler than your kitchen and that explains why your laptop won't start there, maybe you should get some can air and use it to clean the fan of your heatsink, but i'm just guessing, i hope this helps, ¿can you check the temperature in the bios??, that could give you some useful info about this issue


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Response Number 2
Name: El-Trucha
Date: November 1, 2004 at 19:34:28 Pacific
Reply:

"...maybe you should get some can air and use it to clean the fan of your heatsink..."

How do I open a laptop?? I never done this before...:P

"...¿can you check the temperature in the bios??..."

How do I check the temperature?? the BIOS says it's a "PhoenixBIOS Setup Utility".

Thanx!! ;)

El-Trucha
http://www.masterleito.ath.cx
ftp://tsfc.homeftp.net
hotline://tsfc.ath.cx



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Response Number 3
Name: SkipCox
Date: November 1, 2004 at 20:01:13 Pacific
Reply:

Sounds to me like it's more of a problem with the power in your home. One room is good, one ain't (running a 'fridge, etc.) and I'd like you to try it in the living room or any other room before you get too excited. Try it at work or a friends house too then let us know what happened...and do so as soon as possible just in case you do need to return it.

This doesn't really sound like an easy problem to diagnose but, you need to start with the basics.

Skip


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Response Number 4
Name: El-Trucha
Date: November 1, 2004 at 20:28:51 Pacific
Reply:

"...One room is good, one ain't (running a 'fridge, etc.)..."

Yeah, the fridge is in the kitchen...:P

"...I'd like you to try it in the living room or any other room before you get too excited..."

It works on the living room, I spend like 2 or more hours on there some days...

The only places I get this is on the kitchen or on the car...it works on my mom's room, in fact, one day I fell asleep with the laptop on my lap!! :P

Could it b a power problem??

Thanx!! ;)

Btw...I cant test it on the car again because the adapter broke...:@

El-Trucha
http://www.masterleito.ath.cx
ftp://tsfc.homeftp.net
hotline://tsfc.ath.cx


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Response Number 5
Name: SkipCox
Date: November 2, 2004 at 02:06:23 Pacific
Reply:

I'd like to see you folks call an electrician...I think you have an older home with too few power circuits available.

We all get more stuff to plug in and do it on the same amount of circuits we had in the 1950's and if a laptop overloads a room, I think you need help.

It'll likely work fine at any newer home or commercial building with lots of circuits.

Skip


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Response Number 6
Name: robdos
Date: November 2, 2004 at 02:23:47 Pacific
Reply:

can you run an extension from a known good room into the kitchen and see if it still happens.


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Response Number 7
Name: angrymen2001
Date: November 2, 2004 at 02:53:58 Pacific
Reply:

Nice thought to make sure robdos, but I think skipcox is on the right track. However, it doesn't hurt to try different things to ensure. El-trucha, I too had a problem with 1 outlet in our computer room. It turned out the outlet I used to be on was was connected to the sump pump circuit. Every time the sump pump turned on (which is quite often in my house), my monitor would go dim. I'm pretty sure skipcox has you pointed in the right direction, but I would probably try robdos suggestion too.

When all else fails beat the $%!* out of it!!!


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Response Number 8
Name: tom529
Date: November 2, 2004 at 08:41:17 Pacific
Reply:

a very interesting problem.
from his original post "It even happens when I unplug it off the wall" would exclude a home circuit overloading problem. if what he means is that he is using only battery power.


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Response Number 9
Name: El-Trucha
Date: November 2, 2004 at 09:08:12 Pacific
Reply:

SkipCox;

I dont think this is an older home...in my room I have 6 PC's with a monitor 4 each one, a scanner, a TV, a DSL modem, a router, and some more things connected 2 the wall...:P


robdos;

I will as soon as I find one!! ;)


angrymen2001;

Ooohh...so that explains why each time I turn on one of my PC's monitor the other PC's monitor does a weird thing on the screen...:P


tom529;

Hmm...yeah, thats weird...but...I dont think it's a temperature either, my room is actually hotter than my kitchen...:P
What else could it b?? :(


Thanx all of u!! ;)


El-Trucha
http://www.masterleito.ath.cx
ftp://tsfc.homeftp.net
hotline://tsfc.ath.cx



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Response Number 10
Name: tom529
Date: November 2, 2004 at 09:19:33 Pacific
Reply:

does it have an infrared port that may be recieving a stray random signal from somthing in the kitchen? stove or microwave?
do you live near a powerplant or near highpower lines?


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Response Number 11
Name: JackG
Date: November 2, 2004 at 10:41:52 Pacific
Reply:

Can we assume it is using a wi-fi connection to a router or access point in your room? You gave us no clue (other than a reference to Blaster which could still be your problem).

If a wi-fi internet connection is being used or enabled, then there are two good possibilities.

First, there could be a problem with the wi-fi adapter in the laptop that is overloading or overheating due to the increase in power usage as you move away from the access point. As you move away, it may be increasing its Transmit power to keep a good link, to the point that it overheats or overloads and kills the system.

Second, you don't have ALL of the Windows Security updates installed and you are infected with some version of a Blaster type worm. (Please do several online virus scans and enable your built-in firewall.)
When you are near your access point, its built-in firewall is protecting you from "hits" from the Internet shutting down your system. However, when you move to other rooms, your lack of proper wi-fi access security is allowing your system to "connect to a stronger signal" or other access point that does not have a firewall blocking "hits" from the Internet getting through to your system. (Like your neighbors?)


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Response Number 12
Name: El-Trucha
Date: November 2, 2004 at 11:08:57 Pacific
Reply:

tom529;

"...does it have an infrared port that may be recieving a stray random signal from somthing in the kitchen?..."

Infrared port...do u mean my wireless
adapter??

"...do you live near a powerplant or near highpower lines?..."

I don't know...:(


JackG;

"...Can we assume it is using a wi-fi connection to a router or access point in your room?..."

Yeah, I got a wireless router in my room.

"...there could be a problem with the wi-fi adapter in the laptop that is overloading or overheating..."

Hmm...I didnt know it overheated when I moved away from the router...:(
I think that's the problem...:( how do I fix it??

"...you don't have ALL of the Windows Security updates installed..."

I got SP2.

"...when you move to other rooms, your lack of proper wi-fi access security is allowing your system to..."

No, it has a program that came with it (dunno if it's from Windows or Toshiba) that lets u select which wi-fi network u want to connect to...I'm always connected to the network "EL-TRUCHA", and the only place that I can connect to another access point is in my parent's bedroom...

Hmm...I think it's the overheating problem...
How could I fix this??

Thanx everyone!! ;)

El-Trucha
http://www.masterleito.ath.cx
ftp://tsfc.homeftp.net
hotline://tsfc.ath.cx



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Response Number 13
Name: Roy Hunter
Date: November 2, 2004 at 12:31:43 Pacific
Reply:

Search Google for 'Everest Home Edition' and install it.

It will access any temperature sensors on your computer, so get it up and running, and walk around the house with your laptop and see if the temperature changes significantly.

If it custs off without the temperature changing too much, then it's not a heat problem.

If you are near a high-power line or a power station and it encroaches on your house enough to kill your computer, you need to find out about it. Your brain is a very sensitive electrically controlled system too...


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Response Number 14
Name: El-Trucha
Date: November 2, 2004 at 13:10:33 Pacific
Reply:

Hmm...I went to the kitchen and the temperature was the same. I have 2 different temperatures under "Temperatures" in Computer>Sensor on the menu at the left in Everest:

TOSHIBA MK6025GAS/a
TOSHIBA MK6025GAS/b

Well, actually when I was still in my room, the second temperature (/b) was 40 degrees C, then I went to the kitchen and stood there for like 2 minutes, still 40 degrees...
Then I come back to the room and it's still 40 degrees, but then it changed to 39, then to 38, and then it kept changing from 38 to 40...(right now it's 38)
Hmm...those 2 temperatures are the same, just with a different letter at the end, and both have hard drive icons on them...should I have more temperatures for more things or no??

"...Your brain is a very sensitive electrically controlled system too..."

I feel smart...:P

Thanx!! ;)


El-Trucha
http://www.masterleito.ath.cx
ftp://tsfc.homeftp.net
hotline://tsfc.ath.cx


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Response Number 15
Name: El-Trucha
Date: November 4, 2004 at 09:34:32 Pacific
Reply:

Now I just realized something...
When I'm in my room, I usually have my laptop on my desk, and it's in a position where the bottom-left corner is hanging off it...(the desk)
Now I brought it to my parents' room and...TIK...then I tried running Symantec's W32.Blaster.Worm removal tool in safe mode, TIK...
Then, I dont know why, I had my laptop with the back part (top, where the screen is...) was in the bed and the bottom-right corner in my leg (so that the bottom-left isn't touching

anything...) and nothing is happening since then...hmm...maybe an important part is near there that gets too hot when it touches something?? The fans are in the top-right corner.

Note 1: Symantec's utility said it didnt find Blaster Worm.
Note 2: While I was running it, I unplugged it from the wall and turned off the wi-fi NIC.

Thanx!! ;)

El-Trucha
http://www.masterleito.ath.cx
ftp://tsfc.homeftp.net
hotline://tsfc.ath.cx


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Response Number 16
Name: Roy Hunter
Date: November 4, 2004 at 15:01:38 Pacific
Reply:

I think the temperature sensors you are looking at are in the hard-drive.

Put the laptop on a breadboard or chopping board or a big coffee-table book so that it is sitting flat on the surface and the fans and the ventilation aren't going to change when you move it around.

If the computer behaves itself in all the various rooms now, you know that it was a specific issue with the surface it was sitting on.

As a rule, never operate anything electrical sitting on a soft or upholstered surface (unless it's a vacuum cleaner!). It will definitely cause overheating. I know that dippy woman in Sex and the City sits her Mac on the bed, but it's just not a good idea.


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Response Number 17
Name: El-Trucha
Date: November 4, 2004 at 15:39:12 Pacific
Reply:

Hmm...yeah, maybe that's it!! :D
But umm...I put it on the table while I was in the kitchen...maybe the table cover (or however u call it)??" it was kinda...umm...not wet, umm...kinda "swetty"...
Maybe that's it??
Thanx!! ;)

El-Trucha
http://www.masterleito.ath.cx
ftp://tsfc.homeftp.net
hotline://tsfc.ath.cx


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Response Number 18
Name: Roy Hunter
Date: November 4, 2004 at 15:51:23 Pacific
Reply:

The table has a cover on it?

Consider yourself slapped on the back of the head in the manner of the Three Stooges.

The fan sucks air in through the bottom of the laptop and out through the back or side. You put the laptop on a table cover and it will suck the cover up and block the fan's inlet. Hence overheating.

Table covers, bedclothes, soft furnishings, all unsuitable surfaces for a modern laptop.

Funnily enough, I suppose I would have to include your lap in that list too.

Is that why they call them mobiles or notebooks these days?


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Response Number 19
Name: El-Trucha
Date: November 4, 2004 at 17:17:46 Pacific
Reply:

Ohh...ok!! XD
I'm a n00b with laptops...the 1st one I had was a Mac PowerBook 520c and it had the fan on the back, not on the bottom...:P
Much thanx for the info!! ;) :D

El-Trucha
http://www.masterleito.ath.cx
ftp://tsfc.homeftp.net
hotline://tsfc.ath.cx


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