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Name: IRA
Date: June 30, 2008 at 07:27:21 Pacific
OS: XP Pro
CPU/Ram: Pent 4E/Ram2G
Product: Self
Comment:

After my MP3 device was inadvertently removed by my child from USB without first "safely removing it," of course the PC no longer recognizes it. Is there any way to recover from this unfortunate mistake?

IRA



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Response Number 1
Name: XpUser
Date: June 30, 2008 at 07:48:49 Pacific
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Restart the computer to force windows to redetect the drives then insert the mp3 player. Post back if Windows still doesn't recognize it.

i_Xp/VistaUser


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Response Number 2
Name: OtheHill
Date: June 30, 2008 at 08:18:16 Pacific
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Was the player being written to at the time or playing or nothing? If being writtem to the file system may have gotten corrupted, otherwise the issue is probably with the USB port not identifying the device. Try a different port and see what happens.

Also try a different computer to determine if the issue is with the player.


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Response Number 3
Name: jefro
Date: June 30, 2008 at 13:51:28 Pacific
Reply:

XP doesn't require you to "safely remove" a usb device. That was only required under Win2K and below for read write. It has nothing to do with any sort of "SAFETY".

Dunno why MS uses an improper wording.

Try it in another computer first.

"Best Practices", Event viewer, host file, perfmon, are in my top 10


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Response Number 4
Name: OtheHill
Date: June 30, 2008 at 14:32:44 Pacific
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jefro

I don't think your statement above is correct. Do you have anything to back it up?

The messeage is Safely remove, not Safety. IMO this means to not incur damage to your device or the OS. I think that still applies. I have aprticipated in quite a number of threads here where folks using WinXP have corrupted their external drives due to improper removal.


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Response Number 5
Name: Sabertooth
Date: June 30, 2008 at 20:41:06 Pacific
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"You always need to ‘stop’ a USB device before unplugging it: This is another of those statements that’s valid only under certain conditions.

The idea behind saying this is to ensure that the USB device is not unplugged while data is being read from or written to it. Doing so would corrupt the file being transferred. But, if the device is idle, there is no need to go through the ‘Safely Remove hardware’ drill.

Note that in Windows Vista however, if you have set a USB flash drive to act as a Ready Boost device, you will need to ‘stop’ the device before unplugging it.

For other devices such as keyboard/mouse, printers / scanners, etc., you can just unplug them provided they are not currently in use."

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Response Number 6
Name: jefro
Date: June 30, 2008 at 21:15:00 Pacific
Reply:

The default setting for a flash drive is "Optimize for quick removal". That means you can just pull it out.

Don't take my statement to include other usb supported devices. Only flash and by other policy "Optimize for quick removal" devices.

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Response Number 7
Name: OtheHill
Date: July 1, 2008 at 05:19:12 Pacific
Reply:

"Write caching and Safe Removal
The information below is from disk properties for harddrives under WinXP.

Optimize for quick removal
This setting disables write caching on the disk and in Windows, so you can disconnect this device without using the Safe Removal
icon.

Optimize for performance
This setting enables write caching in Windows to improve disk performance. To disconnect this device from the computer, click the Safely Remove Hardware icon in the taskbar notification area".

I just tested a USB flash drive in my XP system.

Note: I have never tweaked any settings for this or any flash drive. Yet the default properties are set for disk caching, which requires the use of the safely remove icon. Try it yourself.


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Response Number 8
Name: jefro
Date: July 1, 2008 at 08:07:55 Pacific
Reply:

Ok, I see it is not the default policy.

In any case, the point is the word "safe". To me that implies a danger of some sort. Not really a lost data issue. There isn't a way to turn off the voltage to the usb so it isn't that even. The worlds won't collide if you pull a usb device out.

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Response Number 9
Name: OtheHill
Date: July 1, 2008 at 08:35:18 Pacific
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I guess it all depends on how you look at the word SAFE. Practicing wreckless internet behavior won't make worlds collide either but could cost you alot of grief. On the other hand, practicing SAFE computing habits, like backing up data, running AV and spyware tools will SAVE you alot of grief if done properly.


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Response Number 10
Name: IRA
Date: July 1, 2008 at 11:03:31 Pacific
Reply:

Thanx to all of you for your valuable input. I restarted the computer and replugged-in the device as advised. Lo & behold, it worked!

Gratefully relieved.

IRA


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Response Number 11
Name: OtheHill
Date: July 1, 2008 at 11:29:53 Pacific
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Some unsolicited advice. ALWAYS have at LEAST two copies of any files you wish to retain.


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