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Name: alias_neo
Date: June 11, 2006 at 02:44:02 Pacific
OS: WIndows XP Media Center E
CPU/Ram: AMD Athlon X2 3800+, 2x C
Comment:

Hi there everyone.

Basically what I have at the moment is my system which is AMD X2 3800+, 2GB Corsair RAM, Asus A8N-E mo/bo, Geforce 6600LE PCI-E set up and running Win XP MCE 2005 on my primary IDE master drive, a 60GB IDE drive, with a 250GB IDE as my primary slave for storage.

I am about to go out shopping right now and buy Norton Ghost and a pair of SATA drives.

I have two questions.

Firstly, the 60GB is going into another PC but i need all of the data on it (my OS) because it took a long while to get compatible drivers etc set up on it for my hardware.(Hence my first shopping item, Norton Ghost. So, firstly, do I Install my OS onto the 250GB IDE as my primary IDE master and RAID 0 the SATAs for storage or would it be beneficial to install my OS onto the RAID 0 drives and keep my 250GB as the storage drive?

If i keep the 250GB IDE as my OS drive i need to transfer all of it's stored data over to the RAID 0 drives. I assume this is simple as copy and paste from within my current OS once the RAID drives are set up?

I will look into how to actually set up the RAID from an already installed OS when i get the drives later today.

If i want to use the RAID drives for my OS (would this increase performance much or at all?) would it even be posible to restore an image from an IDEdrive onto a RAID 0 pair?

I think there may be more than 2 questions there, sorry, I hope you can help me with this soon because it is vitally important i get the 60GB (current OS drive) out of this pc and into another and get this one back running MCE as it is now before tuesday.

I look forward to your replies, thank you.


Alias: Neo



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Response Number 1
Name: Richard59
Date: June 11, 2006 at 04:13:12 Pacific
Reply:

Several steps to accomplish what you want.
Install the SATA drives, and transfer your data from the 250. Format the 250.
Ghost the 60 with operating system onto the 250.
Remove the 60. Place the 250 in as primary master and verify the boot/successful ghosting.

As to your question on whether you would see a performance improvement by having your operating system loaded on SATA rather than IDE drive, I don't believe it would make any discernible difference at anything other than startup. Once your operating system loads up into ram there is little read/write that happens within the operating system files. Speed of access to data files on which you wish to perform tasks is what you get with SATA and RAID 0

I believe if you try to ghost your operating system from an IDE drive onto a SATA drive you may be unable to boot. Apart from having to reset bios to SATA as boot device, you may run into problems with the boot.ini configuration relating to drive ennumeration convention. Your boot.ini will be pointing at Disk (0) RDISK (0) Partition (1)
which in laymens terms is first partition on Primary Master IDE Harddrive.
Depending on whether and how many IDE devices you have connected, your SATA drive could end up being RDISK (3) or (4)
I don't know whether GHOST supports writing to a raid array anyway.
Here's some reading on Raid that you may find udeful.
http://www.overclockercafe.com/Articles/RAID/

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Response Number 2
Name: Beginner1
Date: June 11, 2006 at 07:03:12 Pacific
Reply:

I see a significant improvement, burning and games, processing data and startup. IDE is the past and sata is the future, I dont know about you, I like my sata 250 with 16mb cache.

Jim R


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Response Number 3
Name: jam
Date: June 11, 2006 at 08:10:49 Pacific
Reply:

SATA has some advantages over IDE & I agree that it's the future, but if you were to compare an ATA100 w/16MB cache vs an SATA w/16MB cache, there would be little or no difference in performance. Systems don't even saturate the full 100MB/s capacity of ATA100, let alone 150MB/s of SATA1 or 300MB/s of SATA2. And RAID-0 is a high risk setup...there is a performance gain but it isn't as significant as some people claim, & if one HDD goes, you lose ALL you data with no hope of recovery.


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Response Number 4
Name: ham30
Date: June 11, 2006 at 09:39:27 Pacific
Reply:

Jam is absolutely right. Both SATA and Raid are highly overrated. Tests by Maximum PC magazine and others determined that raid 0 did not improve game performance significantly, and in some cases actually decreased it.

Do yourself a favor BACKUP!
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Response Number 5
Name: alias_neo
Date: June 11, 2006 at 10:44:41 Pacific
Reply:

Ok, I bought 2 x 250GB SATA 2 16mb drives. I came to the same idea about the order to get everything moved around but i tried connecting and as soon as i power up, it cuts back out, so i disconnect power from either the 2 SATA or the 2 IDE and then it powers up, not with 3 drives powered and not with 4, I even disconnected my optical drives and still no luck. Any ideas? the PSU is 520W the ratings are .... 3.3v-28A, +5V-35A, +12V-30A, -5v-0.5A, -12v-0.8A, +5VSB-2.5A. I really hope this can be easily fixed without a new PSU or anything, I just bought this and i'm now totally broke from the recent additions to my storage capacity. Thanks

Alias: Neo


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Response Number 6
Name: GX1 Man
Date: June 11, 2006 at 14:16:21 Pacific
Reply:

I think you should just load Windows normally and forget about the voodoo. Plenty of pitfalls in trying to jerryrig this.


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Response Number 7
Name: alias_neo
Date: June 11, 2006 at 15:00:35 Pacific
Reply:

Voodoo? pardon me, I need to use this method because time does not permit me to install fresh, and then figure out what exactly i did this time to get my hardware working. I need minimum downtime and this is the fastest way.

Besides, the transition I can handle and now understand, my problem however is t hat my computer will not even switch on with all my hard drives connected and powered up in the configuration i plan on using to run it. The only way it will power is if i disconnect either Both IDE, Both SATA or 1 SATA & 1 IDE from the power rail. I have disconnected ALL other hardware that is offboard the motherboard and still it will not power. The computer powers up, fans spin up, drives spin up for about 1 second then cuts out. Any ideas would be much appreciated. I really don't want to have to get another power supply just have to use my new hard drives since it's rating is far beyond what my PC should require. The ratings are above, any help would be appreciated. Thanks

Alias: Neo


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Response Number 8
Name: alias_neo
Date: June 16, 2006 at 07:10:54 Pacific
Reply:

I have found that Norton Ghost 9, (very simple to use and and can be bought at a reasonale price) is excellent for simple backups of systems, I moved my entire storage volume from 250GB IDE to 250GB SATA with Norton Ghost, I then used Ghost to copy my Entire boot volume (making sure to select the copy MBR box) from the 60GB to the now blank 250GB IDE, and all is joyous (apart from a PSU problem I'm having).

I would recommend this program, and I believe there is a 2006 version 10 of the program, this may have better features than mine. It does also have an incredible ghosting feature to create a clone of your drive to any other media for a full byte by byte restore should your system become "messed up".

Hope this helps someone.

Alias: Neo


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