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Name: j1mm3h
Date: January 6, 2008 at 17:17:23 Pacific
OS: xp pro
CPU/Ram: p4 1.3/640
Product: hp pavilion
Comment:

Basically Im just wondering if this memory
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=203271640&loc=101

will be compatible with this computer.

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/genericDocument?docname=c01154945&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en&jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN

Im not quite sure myself, because before I knew you could add faster memory to an existing motherboard, but when I go to the hp site it says that 5300 is the memory supported? Thanks in advanded.



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Response Number 1
Name: Beginner1
Date: January 6, 2008 at 17:48:26 Pacific
Reply:

it will work since it is ddr2 but it will lower your timings. But this will be your type of memory.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...


Jim R


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Response Number 2
Name: j1mm3h
Date: January 6, 2008 at 18:03:09 Pacific
Reply:

Oh I see, it will work but not as fast ok. Now this will work with my comp right?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134192

Ok I havent receive the computer yet, so now my following question is, It only has two memory slots and they are both going to be full with 512mb on each, can I put this 2gb on one slot and leave one of the 512mb? so I can have 2.5gb of memory? also can I combine memory from two different brands? I ask because I come from RDRAM and as you know RDRAM works very different.


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Response Number 3
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: January 6, 2008 at 18:54:08 Pacific
Reply:

Ram that works in another mboard, or any ram you buy or have lying around, may not work properly, or sometimes, not at all - your mboard may not boot with it installed, and the mboard may not beep - it has to be compatible with the mboard and it's chipset.

See response 5 in this for some info about ram compatibilty, and some places where you can find out what will work in your mboard for sure:
http://www.computing.net/hardware/w...
Correction to that:
Mushkin www.mushkin.com


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Response Number 4
Name: j1mm3h
Date: January 6, 2008 at 19:13:49 Pacific
Reply:

So I went to the Kingston website and I think that the memory modules are compatible but I saw this on the Kingston website. "MODULES MAY BE INSTALLED ONE AT A TIME; however, they must be added in like pairs to take advantage of Dual Channel Mode."

Ok does this mean I have to install two memory modules at the same time? can they be different sizes though? for example 2gb and 512mb?



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Response Number 5
Name: jam
Date: January 6, 2008 at 19:41:05 Pacific
Reply:

For best compatibility, you should buy a dual channel kit. The "kit" is basically just two identical sticks of RAM.

If you run 2GB + 512MB, you can't take advantage of dual channel mode. Besides, for best performance, you should be running PC2-6400 (DDR2-800). I don't know why HP installs slower RAM, but that's what they generally do. Here's what's listed at Crucial.com:

http://www.crucial.com/store/listpa...

DDR2 RAM is extremely cheap right now. You can easily find 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2-800 for about $25-30. I saw this deal posted at another site:

http://www.directron.com/d2u800c2gb...

Outpost.com has been running a lot of RAM deals lately...here's 2 more:

http://shop2.outpost.com/product/49...

http://shop2.outpost.com/product/54...

Or you could go for 4GB (2 x 2GB) for $60:

http://shop2.outpost.com/product/52...

Now with all that said, are you sure you want a slimline system? You realize that there *may* be future upgrade problems, right? Especially video cards & the power supply. Not to mention poor cooling.


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Response Number 6
Name: j1mm3h
Date: January 6, 2008 at 19:48:47 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks for the response Jam, now I have another question. I went to the Kingston website and took a better look at it, and the memory they say works with my hp is a different model number than the one I wanted to get, and also the one that kingston says if for my hp is more expensive in newegg. It's like they have the same specs but different model numbers? You think anything that is ddr-2 pc2-5300 will work or should I do what kingston does?


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Response Number 7
Name: j1mm3h
Date: January 6, 2008 at 19:52:21 Pacific
Reply:

Also Jam the links that you posted are pc2-6400, and I was told earlier that this would work but not at the speeds posted.


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Response Number 8
Name: jam
Date: January 6, 2008 at 20:27:14 Pacific
Reply:

You didn't answer my couple of questions, but to be honest, I think you're making a huge mistake by getting a slimline system.

Anyhow, as I also stated, HP (for whatever reason) uses the wrong RAM in their systems. If you look up the specs on the GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 chipset or the Asus M2N61-AR motherboard, you'll find that it fully supports PC2-6400. You can use PC2-5300, but obviously it will only run at DDR2-667 speed (333MHz), so it will degrade the system performance somewhat.

For best performance, you should install a matched pair of DDR2-800 (PC2-6400).

Any of these boards look like yours?

http://www.asus.com/search.aspx?sea...

http://www.asus.com/search.aspx?sea...


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Response Number 9
Name: j1mm3h
Date: January 6, 2008 at 20:33:29 Pacific
Reply:

Jam, yeah I know but it was only $385. And with the memory upgrade I think it should last me for some time. By the way Jam what was your question? So you're definitely sure that pc2-6400 will work with my system? thanks for all the help.


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Response Number 10
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: January 6, 2008 at 20:34:16 Pacific
Reply:

What you were told by others may very well be wrong.
"....the memory they say works with my hp is a different model number than the one I wanted to get, and also the one that kingston says if for my hp is more expensive in newegg. It's like they have the same specs but different model numbers?"

The places where you can look up which ram works in your model only list what works in your model - they guarantee it will work -their reputation depends upon it.
However, brand name system builders often specify oddball ram module ID strings, but other ram with normal ID strings that works in the actual mboard model will work fine too.

HP and most other brand name system builders don't make the mboards in their systems - they are supplied to them by major mboard makers, and usually the brand name's bios version is installed on them.

If you don't wont to bother figuring out which mboard you actually have, stick with the modules that are listed for the brand name system model - that's the only certain way you can be sure the ram will work for sure.

It is often possible to figure out which mboard maker's model you actually have.
If you can figure out which mboard it actually is, you will be able to look up which ram you can use in that mboard model as well as your HP system model, and you will probably have more ram to choose from.

Tell us which exact HP model you have - supply the specific model "number" found on the label on the outside of the case somewhere.
If you don't mind opening your case...
Open up the case and look for obvious larger printing on the mboard, often between the slots - that is often the model "number" - the mboard maker's brand may or may not be obvious. If you find something tell us what you found.
If you see no such thing....
- find stuck on labels on the mboard with HP part numbers on them and tell us what you find printed on them - one of them is the HP mboard part number - often nine characters - xxxxxx-xxx.
If there is a name as well on the label, supply that.


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Response Number 11
Name: j1mm3h
Date: January 6, 2008 at 20:40:31 Pacific
Reply:

Ah I didnt see your questions, now I see them. I didnt decide to get a slimline but the price cant be beat? I just wanted a quick cheap upgrade. I mean if you compare it to my current system I think this one will fly. Also I think it's suffice, I will mostly use it for internet, watching videos, listenting to music, and light gaming at most.


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Response Number 12
Name: j1mm3h
Date: January 6, 2008 at 20:46:02 Pacific
Reply:

Tubesandwires if you look at my original post there is a link to the specs of the computer. Thanks for all the help


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Response Number 13
Name: jam
Date: January 6, 2008 at 22:10:12 Pacific
Reply:

"I didnt decide to get a slimline but the price cant be beat?"

Sure it can. There's an eMachines available right now for $250 that sports an A64 4000+ with 1GB RAM & it has a full size case so it's easily upgradeable with off-the-shelf parts.

But as long as gaming isn't a priority, you'll be OK with the HP. The slimline case will be a tight fit (or no fit) for many PCI-e video cards, plus it uses a non-standard power supply. So even if you did wanna upgrade to a decent video card, the choices will probably be limited & the chances of finding a power supply to support it are slim (no pun intended).


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Response Number 14
Name: j1mm3h
Date: January 6, 2008 at 22:36:48 Pacific
Reply:

Jam I ddid look at that emachines. I didnt really like it, it wasnt as fast as the HP and it also had less hdd space.

By the way I got this in the end

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231098

Should work right?


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Response Number 15
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: January 7, 2008 at 09:46:46 Pacific
Reply:

There is not enough info at that link to determine whether that ram will work in your mboard for sure! You MUST look up the ram on the manufacturer's web site!

The Gskill site has a place to look up memory, but you can't look up a specific mboard model - they list according to whether you have an Intel or AMD cpu mboard rather than by the brand of mboard or system, and then you pick the chipset used, which is fine since it's primarily the chipset the ram has to get along with.
You need to determine which chipset you have on the mboard you are thinking of using the ram in.
http://newgskill.web-bi.net/bbs/G_S...

If you don't find a suitable listing there that exactly matches the ID string of the ram in the newegg ad, DO NOT buy that ram!

You could try the Gskill forum if your module ID string is not listed, but personally I wouldn't bother .
http://www.gskill.com/gstechforum/

Gskill has a relatively crappy site.
Others such as some of the ones I pointed to are much better and have more info about the ram.
Gskill has absolutely no info about how the ram is organized on any of their modules, which is often very important regarding determining compatibilty - others such as Kingston do have that info.


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Response Number 16
Name: jam
Date: January 7, 2008 at 13:00:00 Pacific
Reply:

"Should work right?"

It should...time will tell. I question why you would spend $15 more?

"I ddid look at that emachines. I didnt really like it, it wasnt as fast as the HP and it also had less hdd space."

Maybe so, but it's also over $100 cheaper & it's upgradeable. I would think that upgradeability would be a huge factor in making a decision. Whatever, you already have it....


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Response Number 17
Name: j1mm3h
Date: January 7, 2008 at 14:40:28 Pacific
Reply:

Tubesandwires, I clicked on the link and I put in my information and it said "no matches found." But in the newegg reviews people have commented that theirs wasnt listed on the website but it still worked so Im hoping for that.

Jam, I didnt see any other pictures of the emachiens like the back, so I couldnt see what I was buying. Also I went with the "higher price" because it was a mail in rebate, and Im not quite fond of that. I didnt want to run the risk of not getting it for some reason. Plus that ram that I got had good customer reviews on newegg and a good price so I went with that. Im just hoping everything works out.


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Response Number 18
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: January 8, 2008 at 08:13:39 Pacific
Reply:

You're not getting it.
We get posts on this site EVERY DAY about ram not working properly, or sometimes the mboard will not even boot or beep when the ram is installed, sometimes several of them!

If you can't confirm the ram will work for sure from an absolutely reliable source, look elsewhere - otherwise you are taking a gamble that it will work, and do you want the hassle of having to return the ram if it doesn't??
Once you find which module ID strings work you can buy them anywhere that has ram with the same ID string.

See response 10 - if you can determine which mboard a brand name system actually has, you often have a lot more ram to choose from.


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Response Number 19
Name: chokra
Date: January 8, 2008 at 15:33:20 Pacific
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& the chances of finding a power supply to support it are slim (no pun intended).

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha


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Response Number 20
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: January 8, 2008 at 19:06:29 Pacific
Reply:

Tubesandwires if you look at my original post there is a link to the specs of the computer."

I missed that. Sometimes it isn't much help - some HP model numbers have a huge number of possible configurations and can use several different mboards - that's why I asked for the specific model number on the outside of the case somewhere. However, in this case there are only two specific models and one mboard possible.

HP Pavilion Slimline s3200n Desktop
PC Board (motherboard)
HP part number GV462-69001 - Acacia GL6E mini-ITX variant form factor

Replacement part no. for it - 5189-0683

"Mini-ITX is a 17 x 17 cm low-power motherboard form factor developed by VIA Technologies. Mini-ITX has similarities to ATX, microATX, FlexATX and BTX form factors, but is significantly smaller: 170 mm (6.7 inches) by 170mm. Mini-ITX boards can often be passively cooled due to their low power consumption architecture....."

Searched the web with:
- GV462-69001 - nothing
- 5189-0683 - nothing
- GL6E - lots of similar with GL6E in the name
- Acacia GL6E - exact matches

e.g.

Motherboard Manufacturer: Asus
Motherboard Name: M2N61-AR
HP/Compaq motherboard name: Acacia-GL6E

Processor 2.6GHz AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+
Socket AM2
2000 MT/s (mega transfers/second)

Chipset GeForce 6150SE nForce 430

Memory Memory Installed 2 GB
Maximum allowed 4 GB (2 x 2 GB)
Speed supported PC2-5300 MB/sec
Type 240 pin, DDR2 SDRAM

http://www.ecost.com/Detail.aspx?ED...



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Response Number 21
Name: j1mm3h
Date: January 8, 2008 at 21:58:54 Pacific
Reply:

Tubesandwires, I dont know the exact model because I havent received the computer yet. But according to hp asus is the moboard it should have?


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Response Number 22
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: January 8, 2008 at 23:00:20 Pacific
Reply:

If it's the HP model in your first post, that's the Asus mboard it has, according to that post on the web. HP, and most other brand name system builders, often don't normally reveal the actual mboard model used - it's usually third party sources, including users who have looked at the mboard, who provide that information.
Sometimes the mboards are OEM only, in which case support is only through the brand name builder - they're made only for the brand name builder - in that case there may be no listings for it on any site where you can look up what ram will work for sure - if that's the case any ram that will work with the same chipset will probably work fine; often they are identical to retail models made by the mboard maker, the only differnce being the bios is a version installed for or installed by the brand name builder according to what the brand name builder wants in it (often it has less in it than the mboard maker's bios version does).


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