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Name: Incarnadine
Date: January 10, 2005 at 20:41:46 Pacific
OS: XP Pro
CPU/Ram: 3.00 / 2.00
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-=LCD vs CRT=- Now lets see who wins. HAHAHAHA the fight would be a joke. CRT would have it pinned against the ropes so fast it would be sad. So why is the market leaning toward LCD technology (the slim pieces of crap) rather then making CRT's? Thats my question. You can't game on a LCD. Its embarrasing. They are even banning them from gaming tournaments! Also what makes me mad is that they are making LCD TV's with VGA in!! You have got ot be kidding me. I want to see UT2004 run full boar on that TV (cough cough choke choke). I would have to put a bullet in my head. Why don't they do us all a favor and make a CRT TV with VGA in? Just incase if anyone knows of something like this please send a link. If you can please reply with feedback on what you think. Thanks.

YOU'RE GONNA CARRY THAT WEIGHT.



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Name: StuartS
Date: January 10, 2005 at 21:55:39 Pacific
Reply:

>> Why don't they do us all a favour and make a CRT TV with VGA in? <<

Because the quality and resolution would be atrocious. You can make a CRT that is good for TVs or you can make a CRT that is good for computer monitors, you can't do both. You could, but your TV would be horrendously expensive. Can you imagine the price of a 28" CRT TV that is also cablable of 1024 x 768 at 85hz.

With LCDs you can within a reasonable price range.

The disadvantage with LCDs is the refresh rate. That aspect is improving all the time. Give it a year or two and CRTs will be as obsolete as floppy disks. For non-gaming applications an LCD is far superior to a CRT.

Stuart


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Response Number 2
Name: Misse
Date: January 10, 2005 at 22:51:42 Pacific
Reply:

Bull...
A player on this machine rules our UT2004 DDOM ladder here, with this relatively slow (12 milliseconds), 75Hz, cheap, LG 1915s. And believe me, there are many TFTs around, better suited for gaming.
Like Stuart says, in 1-2 years NOBODY will whine about them anymore :)



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Response Number 3
Name: Rimfire
Date: January 10, 2005 at 23:23:36 Pacific
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Why LCD? They are getting much better. I do remember a 486 laptop with a dual scan colour screen, to play a game you had to keep stopping to see where you were!

Just keep in mind that a 12.5 millisecond refresh rate is equal (ish) to a 80Hz refresh rate on a CRT.

Viewing angle and colour depth are still against the LCD. But not for long!


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Response Number 4
Name: Kurt S
Date: January 11, 2005 at 11:27:39 Pacific
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"Give it a year or two and CRTs will be as obsolete as floppy disks"

I dissagree. Go to any professional graphics house and you won't see one LCD display. CRT's still have the truest color output.

Now Now do some Googling on carbon nanotube technology and diamond dust doping displays and you will see the next generation of displays that will blow LCD's and quite possiblt CRT's right out of the water.


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Response Number 5
Name: viaro
Date: January 11, 2005 at 12:37:34 Pacific
Reply:

Incarnadine,

Thank you for your input - I guess. :\

I agree though - CRTs are the best, what with there dinosauric size, their power sucking, heat generating, interference prone, incorrect geometry, etc. Need I go on? Or is it apparent that I am being sarcastic?

Let me just come right out and say that I am slightly bias towards LCD displays - but that I recognize their faults.

First, let's start with the CRTs. Although I believe I already have.

They're big. They take up a lot of space. They generate a lot of heat. They are prone to interference from other devices. They use more electricity.

And I have yet to see a CRT with the geometry of a perfect rectangle. I once ran accross an article explaining that a CRT's geometry will never be truely a rectangle, I'll try and see if I can dig it up.

With an LCD - it's a perfect rectnagle. Done. :)

With that being said, CRTs display color purity somewhat better than LCDs although it is hardly noticeable when compared side by side. (http://www.pcreview.co.uk/article-4500.php)

And seeing as though the difference is so slight, it should not have much of an impact on a gamer - but rather more of an impact on one who does image work (animation, movie editing, etc.)

Now, as for the response time. LCDs have gotten to the point where their 12ms response times are adequate for gaming - whether gamers would like to admit it or not (I guess they just cannot part with their huge CRTs). Ghosting is not even so much an issue on a 25ms LCD, let alone a 12ms LCD!

Ok, got that? :) Now let's talk about the sharpness and picture quality. Ah, the good stuff.

CRTs have two types of 'grills' - aperture and shadow mask. With a shadow mask grill, depending on the dot pitch of course, albeit - the image is going to be a bit fuzzy when compared to an aperture grill CRT.

Now, what's the big deal you say? Just purchase an aperture grill CRT? Ah! Of course!

But one problem, an apperture grill CRT is even more susceptible to interference from magnetic devices - and vibrations. Yes vibrations.

So when you're playing whatever computer game you enjoy most with the volume cranked so as to hear the best of what your 5.1 system has to offer, prepare for some distortion on the screen! :)

However slight it may be, it will probably be noticeable. The aperture grill is made up of (correct me if I'm wrong) thin metal wires in a grid-like pattern? So they vibrate very easily thus distorting the picture (when vibrated).

Now with an LCD, you get the sharpness of an aperture grill, and guess what? That's right - no distortion! :)

Because LCDs are a completely different technology, no moving parts - so you could put that 5.1 system you got for Christmas right next to the monitor and there will be no distortion. :D

Now, the problem with LCDs? First of all, the money. If you're going to invest in an LCD you might as well spend a little extra and get one you're going to be really happy with - and LCDs aren't cheap.

The Samsung SyncMaster 172x LCD TFT display is supposedly one of the top LCDs out right now - and is suitable for gaming.

I own this monitor, I love it but I wouldn't know anything about gaming with it (I don't play games).

But the monitor costs maybe $400 or so? That's not something you can just splurge on. Heh. I had to do a lot of reading before I purchased it.

Also, dead pixels. These can be quite annoying. But if you go with a good brand you shouldn't have much of a problem. My LCD came with no dead pixels. So I was happy. :)

Where LCDs and CRTs find common ground is that both have just about the same life expectancy.

But where they differ is that CRTs have many components, so when they're on their last leg you can't just send it off to have a single component replaced and then it's good as new. You're better off just purchasing a new one.

Where as with an LCD the only thing that gets old and deteriates on them really - is the backlights.

These can be replaced easily, so fear not about spending another $400. And your LCD is good as new again. :)

So what does it come down to in the end? In my opinion - LCDs are better, period.

But in other opinions CRTs are. And I have no problem with people who prefer CRTs.

Hey, let them hold on to those old fossils. Heh. I don't care, to each his own! Right? :)

- Steven


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