Killed psu but maybe more

Asus P4p800-e deluxe motherboard
September 8, 2010 at 07:52:58
Specs: Ubuntu, 3.20ghz/2gig
I did the wrong thing with a peripheral device or maybe the psu was on it's way out i am not sure. Anyway everything went black on the screen and after that i couldn't boot anymore. Lights were on on the front of the box and sounds(i don't know what) were heard from inside. Not that expert to know what sound is what! Anyway i smelt around afterwards and the only burnt smell i could detect was from the psu so i bought a new one then replaced it. I have everything connected just as before with some variation as there were a lot more connectors with the older possible dead psu. So I left out one dvd drive(have two-one is a burner), floppy drive(cable not long enough) and the fancy international lights that are inside the box.
I turned it on and am still getting the same result. I know there was a possible problem with the video card a while back but i looked when i turned on the machine and the fan on it turns. The light on the motherboard is on. So is it possible i fried something else like the cpu?
I don't really have much experience with them and might not have anything to test it. People have mentioned some kind of meter thing to me but i have never seen one or have experience of it!

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#1
September 8, 2010 at 11:34:59
We need to know the system specs (including psu specs).
It's hard for a cpu to die, if u bought a quality psu then iam 100% sure the board is dead (it is possible for a ram and v-card to die with psu or board). If u don't have any compatible system to test other components better buy a new board.

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#2
September 8, 2010 at 12:22:41
Explain what you did that you suspect may have caused this problem.

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#3
September 8, 2010 at 22:03:34
OK the psu i pulled out is a Antec True 550. This machine was built by some guy that gave it to my neighbour a couple of years ago. I know he always had trouble with it but i think it is because they had windows and it was infected. Anyway i am a linux user and it has been an excellent machine since i had it!
Sorry what other specs are you after?
I don't have a compatible system so no i have nothing else to test anything with. This is the most powerful machine i have. I hope i didn't kill the hard drive/s as i have some important info on it that i need for a legal case and stupid me didn't back up those emails!
Oh I took the fan off and looked at the cpu last night and it looks good. No smell either.
Can a motherboard be dead and still have the light on?

Ho Othehill-I plugged in an external hard drive into a powerboard while it was live. How stupid was i!!!! I have weird wiring where i live as i live in government housing so i should be much more careful. There is a modern switch box that was put in only a few months ago but not enough power coming into the place that i need to run so many machines/appliances. Nothing i can do about it so i should be more cautious. I was distracted and that is when the damn mistake was made.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#4
September 8, 2010 at 23:31:07
Sounds life a possible phase problem or bad ground. You may have applied more voltage than the power supplies were designed for.

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#5
September 9, 2010 at 03:23:35
i just want to make sure the psu u bought got enough juice to run whole the system that's why i ask for specs (video card).
"Antec true 550" i hope u didn't buy another psu with multiple +12v rails.

"Can a motherboard be dead and still have the light on" YES.


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#6
September 9, 2010 at 04:14:12
Yeah I am not sure wizard-fred. It is a pain!
I put in different ram today to see if that is doing something and got some other sticks so will try with that.
Kuwese-The new psu is a Shaw P4-680 . I don't know what those others things are that you mentioned so i can't comment. I know that the connections onto the MB from it took me a bit to work out as there is a bit that i had to slide off the side to get it to fit my MB. Everything else fits fine so i will try another ram stick and maybe different video card as i realised i have two other agp video cards!
Wish i had a spare MB of this generation but i don't. Only other really old machines.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#7
September 9, 2010 at 07:40:30
Other ram stick didn't do anything but i might see if the original ram might work in a spare machine. I think i have something that takes ddr2-400 ram.
Tried another video agp card and no difference there.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#8
September 9, 2010 at 09:16:52
hey SHAW is a piece of crap, better read this http://forums.overclockers.com.au/s...

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#9
September 9, 2010 at 19:51:27
Yes i have seen all the stuff about Shaw. Got another shaw psu in another machine and will see for myself. Anyway that is not the immediate issue so i won't worry about that for now!

Anyway did more stuff. I put the ram in another computer and it is working. Also the video card so its the motherboard :0(

I saw the exact same motherboard (used) on ebay and it is too expensive but if i can find the money would it be good for me to get it? I mean in the sense that the hard drive(Linux installed) would be happy. If you know what i mean? I am so over tired that i might not be explaining myself properly sorry! Now have to rush off so will check emails much later :0)

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#10
September 9, 2010 at 23:20:34
Post the link so i can check the board.

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#11
September 10, 2010 at 06:41:31
http://shop.ebay.com.au/?_from=R40&...

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#12
September 10, 2010 at 07:21:55
http://www.geeks.com/products_sc.as...

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#13
September 10, 2010 at 07:30:12
rapattack

Are you located in Australia?


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#14
September 10, 2010 at 09:33:21
Kuuwese thanks but i don't want to buy from overseas..

Which leads to OtheHill....yep I am in Australia!

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#15
September 10, 2010 at 10:42:10
au $125=us $115.44 which is a lot for socket 478 used board.

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#16
September 10, 2010 at 10:54:52
Yep it is to me too but i have the ram and cpu for it! Otherwise it will cost a fortune for the other stuff. Too much for me to spend already. I want this board because it is already ingrained in the Linux installed. I don't know the right words....very tired. Now trying to get the damn hard drive to read as a slave in another machine. I don't know why i can never get a hard drive to mount as a slave. It's fine if i want to format and start from scratch but i need the damn data so i don't want to format it....ekkkk have to go to bed blahhhhhhhhhhh.....thanks

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#17
September 10, 2010 at 11:49:23
It is a used board, what if it fail after few weeks? Will u invest another au $125? What is the cost for these components in your country (intel cerelon e1200, g31 motherboard, 1gb ddr2 ram)?

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#18
September 10, 2010 at 13:09:12
IMO that is way too much for a used board. I know the link I am providing is in the USA but look anyway.

http://3btech.net/motherboards-sock...


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#19
September 10, 2010 at 20:41:42
Yes but they charge a fortune for shipping normally and it is not the same board. I want to be able to read my files on the hard drive and if the computer has exactly the same board i am hoping that the hard drive will behave and say ah ha ok all the same now here is the data. I need that data! If everything is different then i will have top format the hard drives and start again. I have to fight and ebay that i bought something from and all the emails and other supporting stuff is on that hard drive.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#20
September 10, 2010 at 20:54:34
I wasn't suggesting you buy one of the many boards listed there. I was pointing out that $125 US for a used 478 board is a rip off.

That said, you don't need the exact board, unless you are replacing a board in an OEM rig. If this is a custom built computer all you need is a board based on the same chip set. If you get that, the OS should boot without a re-installation.

Is your issue that you don't have a copy of whatever OS is running on that rig?

If all you want to do is recover the data on the hard drive then just install the hard drive in a compatible computer as a slave (don't try booting to it) and you should be able to copy all the files and even use the drive as is for a storage drive.

The OS and hardware have nothing to do with your personal data on the hard drive.


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#21
September 10, 2010 at 21:20:00
Oh ok....the prices on ebay were Australian prices from memory and yeah they are too much!
I don't know what an OEM rig is and yes from memory the machine was custom built but then given to a dude that knew nothing and at all about computers so i inherited it because he couldn't understand it. Ah no i have the OS on a cd ....it is just about the data that i need to retrieve. I also would like the benefits of such a great machine. It is great for audio and video production. It took me a long time to come across a machine that works so well!
Yes i have mentioned somewhere in this thread that i have that drive connected right now in another machine and i can't read the data. It is a slave and it is not reading. I am never able to do this. Numerous times people tell me i can do it and it NEVER works. I think when people tell me they are never complete in instructions on how. As i said earlier i have a usb thingy(not an external enclosure and the hard drive is connected that way. I don't know what the thing is called. The same os is ont his spare machine! I did try to boot to it but that didn't work so now it is a slave. The bios does list it but is not clear that it is set as a slave. The bios is not set up that way listing drives by name as a boot priority. It is just set like this : hard disk, hard disk, cd rom, disabled...if you know what i mean?

Yeah I don't know but i have too many times tried to get data off linux drives and i can never get them mounted from memory. Seems to be easy with windows drives but never with linux...dunno why.
I think i will try and stick this drive in the windows machine and see if i get anywhere there. :0)

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#22
September 11, 2010 at 02:31:07
hey u didn't answer my questions.
OEM(original equipment manufacture) eg. Dell, hp, emachines etc.
If u buy a new board (even with different chipset) u can still save your data. Use linux live disk like lucid puppy (100mb), it can see usb device. To connect hdd as a slave it's not hard. Set the hdd jumper to slave then connect the drive via ide cable (make sure original drive is set to master)
if the slave drive takes time to be recognized try to clear cmos.

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#23
September 11, 2010 at 06:11:21
rapa

When you connect the drive to another computer try to connect it on a port by itself if possible. Otherwise you may need to fiddle with the jumpers on the back of the drive. This assumes you are dealing with the older style IDE ATA type drives. IDE ATA drives have a very wide flat ribbon cable and allow up to two drives connected to one cable.

If the drive is connected right it will show in the POST screens at start up.

If you can see the hard drive in the second computer but you can't view the files then you may need to take ownership of the files/folders. This is something that applies to WinXP, Vista, Windows 7. Each version has slightly different methods to allow you to take ownership.

If you tell us more detail about what the current condition is we can probably walk you through it.

As far as the speed of the P4 computer goes, speed is a relative thing to measure.

Many older AMD rigs can probably run circles around that P4. You have just been getting your hands on REALLY old stuff. So old stuff seems fast. Get the idea?


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#24
September 11, 2010 at 09:35:12
Kuwese I don't know!!!! How do i find out such a thing?
I didn't buy the machine new as i said!

How is it different to use a live cd to an installed system? OK will try it in a sec but i think i tried that in the past. I have Ubuntu Live cd's so since i have that i will try that.
Oh crap I didn't think of the jumper situation.....ekkkkkkkkkkkk! See my brain does not work correctly!!! Not joking! I should know that stuff! Oh wait i have no idea how to do it on this sata drive. There is a 'jumper box' as mentioned on the top of the drive but it says it is for 'factory use only'. The drive is a Seagate Barracuba 7200.7.

Hi OtheHill. What do you mean by a separate port? Oh i think i know but i am using something i don't know the name of and part of it adapts to some of the cables inside and part of it goes into the usb port. Anyway as there are some sata power cables in my windows machine i just tried though that machine and i got no where with that machine too. I should take a photo but i am too tired after being at a friends place fixing his stuff. I set up a KVM switch and connected two pc's to it and gee it is easy!

Yes the drive is listed as USB blah blah blah something.

Yes i had thought that 'permissions' is something that i needed to look into. I have forgotten how to do it and ran out of time to find out. I will have to tackle that tomorrow or the day after as it is sleep time now.

Well i tried mounting the drive in my windows machine but it halted at a certain point and i couldn't get into the bios or windows. I pressed F2 and on the next boot i tried the boot menu ....f10 or f12 ...can't remember. Anyway it halts after it lists stuff....maybe it is thinking but i am too tired to wait or tackle anything else tonight.

Yeah I know i was told my AMD xp2000(which is what i am using now and has windowsxp on it) is much faster than the P4P800-e deluxe(which is the machine that has the dead MB). One friend told me it is capable of using 64bit linux but not 64 bit windows whatever that means. He wants me to put Linux on the machine with windows but i have it set to do certain jobs like video capturing. Linux only uses certain video capturing brands and then not others. Anyway i am able to get a lot out of these old machines and here in Australia unless you can afford top stuff from europe your stuck with cheap asian crap that never gets a faster cpu than 3.2ghz anyway. Which is the speed of the machine that i blew the MB on. So thats it :0)
If i could i would get a mac but well things have changed with that hardware too and i heard there was a big recall because of the lessening of quality. Just what i heard:0) Can't afford new stuff anyway so i will do with this!

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#25
September 11, 2010 at 13:14:18
I didn't think you had any SATA hard drives. If you connect a SATA hard drive to another computer that has SATA ports but is not using a SATA drive to run the operating system then the SATA controller drivers may not be installed.

SATA drives do not use Master/Slave jumpers. Most SATA hard drives DO have a jumper that allows the drive to operate at SATA I speeds if the host motherboard can only run SATA I drives.

What operating system is in use on the computer you added in the hard drive you want to get the data off of?


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#26
September 11, 2010 at 20:18:03
Yep it is a sata :0) I have two drives in the linux (P4P800-e)machine and both hard drives are sata. Two different types. I don't know much about satas actually so thanks for that info about jumpers as i have often wondered.

Hmmmmm so maybe i have to look at the bios and see if there is something about 'sata enabled'?

Well i tried reading the sata drive with the same linux(ubuntu 9.10) distro first with a spare machine as a slave and then yesterday i tried with this machine i am on now that has windows xp.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#27
September 11, 2010 at 20:41:16
If you are running a SATA drive as the boot/OS drive then at least some SATA is enabled.

Is the second drive showing up in the BIOS and POST screens at start up?


Where are you looking for the second drive when in WinXP? Look in Disk Management to see if it shows there?


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#28
September 11, 2010 at 20:49:59
Its the boot OS on the P4p800-e not on the other machines i plugged it into to get the data off it!
Yes this drive shows up as usb ............................ i mentioned this somewhere further up this thread. I think in the post screens but can't remember.

In windows it won't even boot with the drive attached so no chance of going into disk management

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#29
September 11, 2010 at 21:20:08
So the host OS is Linux?

Did you check the BIOS to see if the drive in question is being recognized. Also, watch the POST screens that appear when you first boot to see if the drive is being configured.

Also while in the BIOS screens make sure all SATA controllers are enabled.


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#30
September 12, 2010 at 01:50:41
Sorry OtheHill not exactly sure what host means. The drive i am trying to get the data off is from the machine with the possible dead motherboard had Ubuntu Linux 9.10.

Yep drive is mentioned in previous posts as recognised by the next machine i stuck it in which also has Ubuntu Linux 9.10 on it. Lists as usb..........................whatever. In the bios. Now i don't remember what it said in the post screen.
Yes i have yet to have a look at wether these other machines have sata enabled or not.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#31
September 12, 2010 at 02:22:47
Hmmmm something interesting happening. I plugged it into the windows machine again without the usb cable attached after i checked the bios. Couldn't find anything about sata controller or anything sata at all. Couldn't find anything listing the drive either. Once into windows 'disk management' i then plugged in the usb cable and bing it came up. Before it would not boot at all when this drive was attached. Anyway not 'disk management sees it http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/...
and this is the cable thing that i am using to attach the drive http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/...
it also has an adapter in case you only have ide cables and no sata. But my windows machines psu has both!
Now i will try on the spare pc that has Ubuntu on it wether the drive will mount on that one!

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#32
September 12, 2010 at 03:29:49
Good news it worked!!!! I have the drive mounted and it is readable!!!! Thanks! Now just working out how to get thunderbird to take whatever folder/files and read them so i can print them and back them up. I wil have to install a burner in this temporary machine but i have put the thunderbird directory on a usb stick just in case something goes wrong. Lots of other data i have to get off this drive as well!!!! Thanks guys for your patience. What the solution is is....to plug the data/power cables into the slave, boot and then plug in the usb cable! Then it says Hellooooooooo.....lovely :0)

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#33
September 12, 2010 at 06:11:17
I am gla you have the drive functioning. That said, this thread has been confusing and I didn't realize you were connecting using USB. When using a USB connection to connect a hard drive the type of drive (IDE/SATA) doesn't matter.

Your problem is strictly related to your USB ports. Possibly they are being overloaded.


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#34
September 13, 2010 at 09:58:20
Ah that is ok OtheHill we got there eventually! :0)
Because my brain is pretty fuzzy with the medical condition and i am not a trained techie i just report things as i remember them. Being a women too i tend to be more visual and well we communicate differently he he.
Yes it is a funny little usb thing that i bought on ebay so this is the first time i actually got it working. I am glad to know it does as it has been sitting around for ages. I tried to use it with other hard drives before and typical of when you buy on ebay there are no instructions on how to use the things. Ah well all good now due to my persistance.

I had no other usb drives or peripherals plugged into the usb ports other than mouse and keyboard....is that what you mean by overloading the ports?
Happy I got all the data off..:0)

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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