Hello Derek, You are right but I did get a lot of input from Jam this is why I addresssed him. I did recount in post 2 the events and problem of my computer.

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I don't know where you stand right now, but if you haven't already done so, try the "minimal hardware" method. - disconnect all drives, both power & ribbon cables... - remove all cards but video & make sure that the video card is fully seated in it's slot... - remove all but one stick of RAM... - unplug the mouse & all other external devices except the keyboard & monitor... - unplug the power cord & use the ClearCMOS jumper to reset the BIOS. Then plug it back in, fire it up & see if you can get a display.

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Hello Jam, I had stripped it down to monitor, video card and mem stick. I will clear cmos and see if the unit readjusts itself. Thanks again for your help though I ruffled Dereks feathers. He does have a point but most of the help I have gotten at this site was from you.

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Hello Jam, I will clear cmos by moving jumpers from pins 2/3 to 1/2 on jp1. Should I also remove the battery for a minute also, or should I just shift the jumpers for a few seconds. I will wait for your post before I move the jumpers and answer the question about the battery. I bought a pci board to replace the agp in case the socket was defective to answer Ham80's post. Thanks, frank

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All you need to do is shift the jumper...make sure the power cord is unplugged or CMOS may not clear...wait a few seconds, then shift it back & see what happens.

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Hi Jam. same thing, eight beeps, I did not hear the one beep before the unit boots up, I'm not sure it was there when i disconected all the components, but now the one beep is missing. When the comp switch is turned on there is a pause and then it starts with the 8 beeps. The new card came with a cd, of course I could now use it to download what is on it. frank

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Re #9. No feathers ruffled whatsoever. I was just suggesting the best general pholosophy in future, because another time it might not work out so well for you. DerekW

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No help at this stage, but it strikes me as odd that it ever asked for win32k.sys because that doesn't appear to be a W98 file. It seems to only get a mention in WinXP or W2k. The only link I can dream up between your current symptoms and an online reference to this file would be a virus which screwed up the mbr but it's probably best to not think that way I suppose. DerekW

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Hello Derek, the way the blue screen popped up, I thought it was a software problem, until it told me to reboot into the black screen and that was the ball game. It showed no problems until the blue screen, it's the first time it wouldn't boot after the blue screen. I just read that m$ was coming out with patches for xp, most in the security area, I probably could use a patch for my system. frank

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I don't know why you went to a PCI card, but try it in a different slot

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HI Jam& all helpful techie posters, I moved the pci video card to other slots and even put back the agp video card, still getting the 8 beeps. We can rule out, I suspect the video card for the black screen and the 8 beeps. Ham30 posted based on the 8 beeps, the cpu is functioning and a portion of the mobo is working. Again I am at a loss as to this problem and how it popped up. I would welcome any suggestions or any input you can offer, as always, I thank you in advance for your help, frank

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I see an alternative version of 8 beeps is memory read/write error. Have you tried it with the other stick of RAM (only) in first position? Clean the RAM edge connectors with a pencil eraser because tarnish can cause poblems. Take the stick in and out a few times before finally seating it, which will help clean off any socket tarnish. Starts sounding a bit like a duffy mobo. DerekW

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Hi Derek, I kept putting back the mem stick in the same place. I will clean the edge as you said. and switch positions. I went to ami"s website and as Jam said the 8 beeps was supposedly assigned to the video card and it's memory, one thing for sure Derek, this is not the complete truth because it is also beeping with a new card. I replaced my agp with a pci in case the slot became defective. I know i am grasping for straws with the different slot, but that didn't work either. Thank for your help Derek, I will get to work on the memory stick. frank

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No luck with the memory stick shifted to the other slot, steady 8 beeps coming from the unit.

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I should have known. I posted a long reply in your other thread but now it's gone...I hope you got a chance to read it.

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Hi Jam, Why did these weasels remove my post? Don't they have anything better to do? I wanted to ask you about the pc chip board they had at newegg. Since I could not ask you about it, I took a shot and ordered it. It is the #45733848- pc chip full size board(the only one) the others are micro atx, what is amazing, it looks like I don't need another power supply, the connector is 20 pin with an associated 4 pin ( must be an older board) but I am happy with what comes with the board. I did not get your long post as for some stupid reason the removed my post. I found it interesting who makes the pc chip board, it is the elite group, I hope it is as good as the ecs boards. I removed the board from my desktop and am waiting for its arrival. I will try the new video card on the board, some of the comments said they received the pc chip board and it did not work, as you said because it's new, this does not guarantee it will work. I don't know if they test these before they leave the factory. I hope I don't have any problems with this board. Again thanks for the follow-up and walking me through my ecs board, there are problem they defy logic and that was one of them. frank

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I wouldn't have suggested a PCChips board. Actually, in the post that was deleted I had you setup with an AMD Sempron 64 2800+ & an nForce3 250Gb board for under $100, shipping included. It had an AGP slot & required a PSU with a 20-pin plug. I don't know what happened at Outpost.com. They just suddenly yanked ALL their board/CPU combos off the site. I can't imagine they all sold out at once, so there must be something else going on. Maybe they were losing money & decided to stop offering them? Maybe they're reconfiguring new combos? Who knows.... You might find this interesting: http://www.stud.fernuni-hagen.de/q3998142/pcchips/usage.html http://www.stud.fernuni-hagen.de/q3998142/pcchips/aka.html

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Jam, It figures, when I could really use this site or be the most helpful to me, they yank the post. What I don't understand, there was no foul language, I did not belittle any company, ask for secret passwords, ask for keys to unlock the divinci code and yet they found it necessary to remove my post. Maybe he did some bad weed the night before. On newegg's comments for pc chips there were a number who said the board was doa and others who said they put together a few computers with no problems. I was leary about buying the board, but wanted to get my computer up and running. The article you pointed me to does not have to many good words to pc chips, I am not surprised reading a number of negative posts at newegg. I am going to look at the other article and I suspect it won't be full of good cheer for pc chips. Thank you for that suggested mobo combo you were about to recommend, it sounded like a much better choice than the one I opted for. Remember the old country song, if it was for bad luck I wouldn't have any luck at all. Yeah that's me. frank

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On the second page it lists supposedly all the pc chips boards, I have the M811LU V3.1 which is not listed. The elite group is also a private labeler and will put anybody's name on a board. They do have a nice website and hope their product has improved over time or as our old friends at M$ would do, come out with updates and patches to eliminates some of the bugs in their software.

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I read a recent article about ECS/Elitegroup & it said that they're trying really hard to clean up their act. I wish I would have bookmarked it cuz it was a great article...if I can find it, I'll post it. They actually are one of the top motherboard producers in the world (volume-wise). Now they wanna make a dent in the "enthusiast" market & have put out some boards that are getting some really good reviews...the Extreme series. Here's an older article...I'll see if I can find that other one: http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=1891

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Jam, When I get the new board, I believe there will be no trouble booting up with my existing hardware, the os should accept my new board. I was reading some of the posts and did not think there would be any problems until I read some of the replies. I will be getting the board monday, so much for 3 day delivery. My old board has a one gig cpu, one poster mentioned a website with refurbished mobo, the boards are cheap and I was thinking of making use of my old cpu. Ham80 thinks the cpu is functioning, just thinking out load

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Do yourself a favor & benchtest the board before putting in the case & hooking everything up. Here's a site that has a bunch of older socket A boards & many of them use PC100/PC133 RAM. The prices are good & shipping is free: http://justdeals.stores.yahoo.net/amdsomo.html This particular board (MicroStar K7T Turbo) is an oldie but a goodie. The KT133A chipset kicked ass! http://justdeals.stores.yahoo.net/ms6330v30.html Then there's this one at Outpost for $25. Is this the same board that you're getting in the combo? http://shop3.outpost.com/product/4152333

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Hi Jam, That is the board. Thank you for that refurb site and i'll see if they have any board that will take my athlon cpu, it would be a spare computer. The speed is 1 gig and it was a fast processor for me. The poster listed mwave as a source of those refurb boards, I see outpost also sells refurb hardware. If it was repaired from the co factory, it is the same as being new, the only difference when it left the factory a component was defective. Which I suspect, when made, if was not tested for flaws and sent on it way, similar to a car, which becomes the buyers headache when it come to a car.

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Hi Jam, I was wrong your site is much better and those boards are new compared to mwave for only a few bucks more. I am zeroing in on the microstar kt7 which is 3 bucks more than the refurb's at mwave. Right now I can't download the manual, drivers and bios, i will wait til monday. Thanks again Jam, that is really a good deal and i can use my cpu down the road. frank

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