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Internet connection Problem
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Original Message
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Name: grasshopper
Date: July 9, 2008 at 15:19:23 Pacific
Subject: Internet connection ProblemOS: XP PROCPU/Ram: Athlon 64 3700+ / 1 gig Model/Manufacturer: Custom Build |
Comment: Hi Guys, I just purchased a new Linksys router form Newegg. I hooked it up and can't connect to the internet after it's setup. In fact it won't finish the setup. I can connect fine with my old Netgear rp114. I followed all the instructions on the cd that came with the router and went through the ceremony 3 times. I then plugged directly into my nic card with the rj45 coming out of the modem (dsl) and still no internet. I rehooked my old router up and everything is fine. I had an old network on this machine when I was using a backup computer. It still shows up in My Network Places. Do you think I should unplug the NIC and reinstall it to get rid of the old network? I opened My Network Connections and even with the new router it shows I do have a connection. I just can't get any page to display on IE7. Any suggestions Grasshopper Keep Smiling It makes them think you're up to something...
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Response Number 1
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Name: guapo
Date: July 9, 2008 at 17:49:20 Pacific
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Reply: (edit)I always start with ipconfig /all Run that from a command prompt. Is it getting an IP address? It should be 192.168.1.x If you were using a static IP with the netgear, you might have to change it back to DHCP.
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Response Number 3
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Reply: (edit)READ the manual for the router! - you have to access the router's configuration on one of your computers and set it up, after it has been connected via a network cable to the computer's network card, or via network cables to the router and the computer's network card. E.g. open IE, type in 192.168.xxx.xxx - the x's being numbers specific to the router. Then you type in the default username and sometimes a default password (see your router manual - e.g. the user name is often admin). - you have to set up the router for your type of connection - e.g. in my case, mine is a "dynamic" connection - requires no proxy, and most settings are found automatically - your connection type may be different. If you're not sure what to set it to, connect your old router and look at it's configuration. - For a DSL connection, you often have to register the MAC address of whatever you connect to the internet with, with the ISP. E.g. I am allowed to register two MAC addresses with my ISP. That may have previously have been set to either the MAC address of your previous router, or to the MAC address of one of the network cards on your computers, if it was CLONED in the router's configuration. You need to either CLONE the MAC Address of one of your network cards that connected you to the internet before (disconnect the other computer from the router temporarily), or to enter the MAC address of the router you were using before manually. If you're not sure what to set it to, connect your old router and look at it's configuration and the MAC address used. The MAC address of the router is on a label on the outside of it. If the MAC address in the old router's configuration is different from what you see on it's label, it CLONED the MAC address of one of your network cards. In my case, if the MAC address is not one of the two registered to the ISP, when I use Internet Explorer, I get a screen that prompts me to enter my ISP supplied user name and password for an ISP's web site so that I can register the changed MAC address.
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Response Number 4
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Name: grasshopper
Date: July 10, 2008 at 12:41:45 Pacific
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Reply: (edit)Hey Tubes, How are ya. Thanx for the info. That was a mouthful there. I'll look at the manual and also check my old routers settings. Routers are greek to me as you can tell. Thanx again. Grass Keep Smiling It makes them think you're up to something...
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Response Number 5
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Name: grasshopper
Date: July 10, 2008 at 13:07:51 Pacific
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Reply: (edit)Tubes, I checked the router configuration and the mac address etc. are determined by the server. It's been years since I set up my router and I forgot how to do it. I wonder why my machine won't connect to the internet if I run the rj45 right out of the modem and right into my NIC card. Any ideas? Thanx again. Keep Smiling It makes them think you're up to something...
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Response Number 6
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Reply: (edit)The MAC address is a unique identity number used by all networking devices. The ISP's server cannot change it but it can detect it. It is pairs of characters, 0 to 9, or A to F, and starts with two zeros for most network adapter cards. There are no letter o's in the MAC address. That is entirely different from any IP address specified in the router's config, or that may be found automatically by the ISP's server. The MAC address specified in the router's configuation is that of the router itself by default, or the router can CLONE the MAC address of the network card it is connected to, or you can manually enter a MAC address, say, of the old router, or another network card you have in the other computer. If you manually enter the MAC address that is in the old router's configuration, you will be able to connect to the internet for sure, as long as the settings for your type of connection are otherwise right. The ISP's server can only see the MAC address provided by the router when you use a router between you and the high speed modem. If you use a plain hub or switch, or use Internet Connection Sharing using only network cards, it can detect all the MAC addresses of the network cards. In my case, when I first got ADSL, the high speed modem was plugged into a lone computer's network card, so that was the first MAC address registered by the ISP - it was all automatically done when I used the ISP's software installtion for the high speed connection. Later on I connected another single computer I was working on which of course had a different network card, and went online to a specific site of the ISP's and registered a second MAC address. Later on I got a wired router, and I CLONED the MAC address of the network card of the first computer in the router's configuration. If I hadn't done that, I would have had to go online to a specific site of the ISP's and register the router's own MAC address, replacing one of the ones already registered. The router is able to clone the MAC address of the network card on the computer you are acceessing it's configuration on. If you have trouble getting the 192.168.xxx.xxx to work to get into the router's configuration, make sure the network cable's end is fully seated into the socket on the router, and that all network cables are fully seated. .... " I wonder why my machine won't connect to the internet if I run the rj45 right out of the modem and right into my NIC card." In that case, the MAC address in the old router's configuration was not a clone of the the MAC address of that card - it's probably the MAC address of the router itself, same as on a label on the outside of it, or if it is different from the one on the label, it was manually entered by someone, or it may be the cloned MAC address of the network card on your OTHER computer. You can see the MAC address of the network card on each computer in several places in XP. One place is Start - Run - type: cmd , press OK type; ipconfig /all , press Enter Physical Address = the MAC Address. IP Address - is the URL of that computer you are on, on the router, if you have one hooked up e.g. 192.168.0.103 The first two numbers are always 192.168; the last number is unique to a specific computer's network card connection or other networking device. e.g. in my case, 101, 102, 103, or 104 for the four ports on the router are automatically assigned by the router. - or, if the network cable is connected directly to the network card from the high speed modem, the URL of the ISP's server, which may change each time you connect if it has more than one server. (the first two numbers are NEVER 192.168)
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Response Number 7
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Reply: (edit)The MAC address is a unique identity number used by all networking devices. The ISP's server cannot change it but it can detect it. It is pairs of characters, 0 to 9, or A to F, and starts with two zeros for most network adapter cards. There is no letter O in the MAC address. That is entirely different from any IP address specified in the router's config, or that may be determined automatically by the ISP's server. The MAC address specified in the router's configuation is that of the router itself by default, or the router can CLONE the MAC address of the network card it is connected to, or you can manually enter a MAC address, say, of the old router, or another network card you have in the other computer, and that is what the ISP's server sees instead of the actual MAC address of the router itself. If you manually enter the MAC address that is in the old router's configuration, you will be able to connect to the internet for sure, as long as the settings for your type of connection are otherwise right. The ISP's server can only see the MAC address provided by the router when you use a router between you and the high speed modem. If you use a plain hub or switch, or use Internet Connectiohn sharing using only netwirk cards, it can detect all the MAC addresses of the network cards In my case, when I first got ADSL, the high speed modem was plugged into a lone computer's network card, so that was the first MAC address registered by the ISP - it was all automaticwhen I used the ISP's software installtion for the high speed connection. Later on I connected another single computer I was working on which of course had a different network card, and went online to a specific site of the ISP's and registered a second MAC address. Later on I got a wired router, and I CLONED the MAC address of the network card of the first computer in the router's configuration. If I hadn't done that, I would have had to go online to a specific site of the ISP's and register the router's own MAC address, replacing one of the ones already registered. The router is able to clone the MAC address of the network card on the computer you are acceessing it's configuration on. If you have trouble getting the 192.168.xxx.xxx to work to get into the router's configuration, make sure the network cable's end is fully seated into the socket on the router .... " I wonder why my machine won't connect to the internet if I run the rj45 right out of the modem and right into my NIC card." In that case, the MAC address in the old router's configuration was not a clone of the the MAC address of that card - it's probably the MAC address of the router itself, same as on a label on the outside of it, or if it is different vrom the one on the label, it was manually entered by someone, or it may be the cloned MAC address of the network card on your OTHER computer. You can see the MAC address of the network card on each computer in several places in XP. One place is Start - Run - type: cmd , press OK type; ipconfig /all , press Enter Physical Address = the MAC Address. IP Address - is the URL of that computer you are on, on the router, if you have one hooked up e.g. 192.168.0.103 (the first two numbers are always 192.168) - or, if the network cable is connected directly to the network card from the high speed modem, the URL of the ISP's server, which may change each time you connect if it has more than one server. (the first two numbers are NEVER 192.168)
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Response Number 8
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Name: grasshopper
Date: July 11, 2008 at 16:14:29 Pacific
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Reply: (edit)Tubes, Thanx for explaining that. I appreciate all the time it took you to type that. I'm going to read over it a few times until I get it. Thanx again for your time and patience. It is appreciated. Grasshopper Keep Smiling It makes them think you're up to something...
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