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Name: mls
Date: September 27, 2008 at 21:33:15 Pacific
OS: winXP media
CPU/Ram: Pent4/2GB
Product: emachines T5048
Comment:

I have ordered a second hd for my emachines T5048. Currently have 160GB to use as master, adding WD 500GB SATA. I have been reading the forum on this procedure and finding different instructions. If I hook this up to the slave ribbon socket and plug the power cord in why won't the "plug and play" recogonize it without me having to set jumpers.Thats all i had to do on my old HP Pavillion.If not, can someone give me the procedure for this?
many thanks.



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Response Number 1
Name: Cobra_R
Date: September 27, 2008 at 21:43:40 Pacific
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Because SATA is diff then ATA. You should set it to SATA connection 2 then go into the bios and their should be an option to read SATA as an ATA device and you should be set. The next time you reboot your SATA drive will be seen by windows If you don't have that option, then you will have to install the SATA drivers in windows. After either solution is done, go into the disc mangement and format the drive.

If it's broke, then blow that sucka up!


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Response Number 2
Name: mls
Date: September 27, 2008 at 22:09:23 Pacific
Reply:

thanks Cobra R, but now I'm more confused than ever(sorry). If my current hd is SATA and my second hd is SATA, then why do I want the BIOS to recognize it as ATA. And where do I actually perform the SATA conection 2.
And the most important question of all....
are you a Cobra snake or a Cobra car?


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Response Number 3
Name: Cobra_R
Date: September 27, 2008 at 22:20:19 Pacific
Reply:

Oh sorry i read it wrong. I thought you said you had one ATA and your new hard drive was SATA and you were wondering why windows wasn't seeing the SATA at all.

Did you try going into disc mangement under computer mangement to see if there is an unallocated drive?

Windows won't automaticly see the drive if it's not allocated into a format. If so you will have to format it.

It stands for Mustang Cobra.

If it's broke, then blow that sucka up!


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Response Number 4
Name: OtheHill
Date: September 28, 2008 at 09:03:02 Pacific
Reply:

mls

Your 160GB drive is EIDE, not SATA.

Check your specs. SATA does not use the WIDE ribbon cable. Uses a small red or black cable that is maybe a 1/4 x 3/8 inch.

I don't believe you even have a second IDE controller available to connect a drive cable to.

In this case you will need to get an add in controller card which fits into an empty PCI slot. That is assumming you HAVE an open slot.

I suggest you open the case and look to see if you have a second controller port. That will be identical in shape to the port your current drive cable is connected to. It may be a different color but must be identical (interchangable).

Also look at the motherboard to see if there are any open slots that look like the picture in the link below (5V 32bit). A second link is to the emachine site with the specs for your computer.

http://www.voice-boards.com/pcislot...

http://www.emachines.com/products/p...


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Response Number 5
Name: mls
Date: September 28, 2008 at 15:06:57 Pacific
Reply:

thanks CobraR and Othehill. more confused.
ok, here is the deal. I went to a website called Drive Soloutions and it states that an emachines T5048 uses a SATA hd. So, without opening my pc, I ordered a Western Digital 500Gb Caviar SE16 SATA 3.0Gb/s 7200RPM 16MB 3.5". The hd has not arrived yet.
The specs for the T5048 states "storage controller IDE". I opened my T5048 and it uses the WIDE ribbon cable. One cable goes from the mb to the cd/dvr. The other cable goes from the mb to the 160Gb hd. This cable has another socket for a second hd and there is a power plug available. Am I good to go.


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Response Number 6
Name: mls
Date: September 28, 2008 at 16:26:48 Pacific
Reply:

update. I have confirmed that the existing hd in my T5048 is a Seagate Baracuda 160Gb SATA 7200 and as I stated earlier, it is connected to the mb with a WIDE cable. So I don't know what to tell you Othehill.
Any comments would be greatly appreciated.


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Response Number 7
Name: Richard59
Date: September 28, 2008 at 18:07:31 Pacific
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If it is connected using an 80 wire ribbon cable that has provision for a second drive to be connected on the same cable then it is NOT SATA. SATA devices connect only one to a cable and as stated earlier the cable is small and the connector is only about 1/2 inch wide. The power connector is also not standard molex.

According to the Intel motherboard manual for your system it has two PATA ( EIDE) ports and 4 SATA ports. Your new SATA drive will work OK but you may need to buy a SATA cable since I suspect your current drive is PATA and Emachines are unlikely to have thrown in any spare SATA cables. Hopefully the powersupply they put in there has SATA connectors as well.

Goin' Fishin' (Some day)


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Response Number 8
Name: OtheHill
Date: September 28, 2008 at 18:24:27 Pacific
Reply:

Richard59

Where did you get the informaion on the emachine motherboard. The emichine link in #4 has the specs and there is no SATA available. Intel chipset may have had those abilities but that motherboard doesn't.


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Response Number 9
Name: pyrolitic
Date: September 28, 2008 at 18:27:41 Pacific
Reply:

I think you should try to clarify what your last post is saying. What it seems to say is that you have a computer with a T5048 Seagate 160Gb SATA hard drive which is connected to the motherboard with an IDE type cable?! At least that is what is implied earlier in this thread by the term "WIDE" cable. It would be better if it were specified weather it is an IDE cable, or really a SATA cable which is just "wider" then the typical SATA cable (which I've never seen...). As far as your original inquiry, IF you really have a SATA hard drive currently in your computer, then you shouldn't have any difficulty putting in a second "slave" SATA drive. If the new hard drive you've brought is a "boxed" hard drive, then it will probably come with instructions with how to do what you need to do. If it is "OEM" type package, then you'll need to go to the manufactuer's website and look in their support area for directions on how to install your new hard drive as a slave.
However, if you really have a SATA drive in your computer that is connected to the motherboard with an IDE cable, then the motherboard does not have SATA support and there must be an IDE to SATA adapter between the cable and the hard drive somewhere. In that case, you will need to buy another one of those adapters in order to install your new hard drive.


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Response Number 10
Name: mls
Date: September 28, 2008 at 18:59:00 Pacific
Reply:

thanks to all
My mb has 4 SATA ports(unused). My two 80 wire ribbon cables are connected to IDE1 and IDE2(one for cd/dvr and one for hd)these cables are 2" wide.. I can only repeat this...my current hd is a Seagate Barracuda 160Gb SATA 7200 3.5. I confirmed this by pulling the hd. Drive Soloutions also states that replacement drives for the T5048 are SATA. Maybe I should buy a hd enclosure for the new SATA hd and I can use it on all my pcs


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Response Number 11
Name: Richard59
Date: September 28, 2008 at 19:26:32 Pacific
Reply:

OTheHill, The Emachines specification and website does not provide a motherboard model number or manual. I found it by googling the BIOS update file number and eventually found the appropriate Intel Motherboard and manual where I got the information.
The Motherboard is an Intel G101GGC and the manual is here: http://www.e4allupgraders.info/dir1...

The Original Poster has confirmed his system has two PATA and 4 SATA ports but he seems incapable of understanding that his current harddrive MUST be PATA ( EIDE ) and NOT SATA since it is connected to an IDE ribbon cable.

There is no need to buy an external enclosure for the new SATA drive, Just a SATA data cable

Goin' Fishin' (Some day)


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Response Number 12
Name: OtheHill
Date: September 28, 2008 at 20:38:48 Pacific
Reply:

I originally viewed a couple of reviews of that model and there was no indication of any SATA controllers onboard.

It is good that they are present.

mls

If you are currently using only IDE controllers you may need to download and install the SATA controller drivers. Also may need to Enable the SATA controller/s in the BIOS.

You can install the SATA drivers from within Windows if you are just going to use the SATA drive for storage.



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Response Number 13
Name: mls
Date: September 30, 2008 at 21:07:38 Pacific
Reply:

my mistake. the factory installed hd is not SATA. you guys were correct. I recieved the WD 500Gb hd today and it is Sata, so I'm purchasing a hd enclosure and going that route. The only reason I wanted to add the 500Gb was because my current hd is 3/4 full from converting all my LP's and cassettes to digital.
Thanks to all, especially Othehill. I bow to your infinite wisdom, one and all.


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Response Number 14
Name: OtheHill
Date: October 1, 2008 at 06:08:08 Pacific
Reply:

mls

So then there are no SATA ports on your computer?

I hope you have a plan in place to maintain at least TWO copies of all your person data.

Even if your computer could accommodate the new drive you may be more secure using the external drive. That way your backups are somewhat isolated from the computer and the issues that could befall it. Keep the external switched off or disconnected when not in use.

I would recommend you consider copying those sound files to optical media for archiving purposes.

IMO optical disk is the most secure storage media.


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Response Number 15
Name: mls
Date: October 1, 2008 at 16:09:57 Pacific
Reply:

thanks again Othehill. There are 4 unused ports labeled SATA1 thru SATA4 on my mb, and as I stated earlier, my hd and cd/dvr are connected to ports IDE1 and IDE2. The new hd will be my second external hd. I already have a 320Gb that I have copied important files to. I was also planning to back them up again on the new 500Gb as you so wisely suggested. The ultimate(time consuming) back up will be copying my music files to CD's that will outlive me as long as the technology does not get passed up. But hey!!, turntables are still available, so cd players should be around for several years.
Thanks once more to everyone.Tremendous site.
Thanks to those responsible. mls


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Response Number 16
Name: OtheHill
Date: October 1, 2008 at 19:20:46 Pacific
Reply:

Try putting the files on DVDR instead. Hold 7 times as much. You don't need to play the files from the DVDR. Just archive them.

You could install the new SATA drive internally then.

You can mix and match IDE and SATA in the same computer.


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Response Number 17
Name: mls
Date: October 1, 2008 at 21:07:36 Pacific
Reply:

thanks Othehill. I assumed I would be able to install the SATA hd if I wanted to. Having another external hd just makes more sense. I can use it on my other pc's also.
Thanks for the tip on the DVDR.
I hope I can call on you in the future for any questions that might come up. You are an asset to this forum.


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