Installed tv tuner card now can't use microph

Asus P4p800-e deluxe motherboard
February 3, 2010 at 06:20:06
Specs: windowsXP pro SP2, 1.6gb/2gb
I installed a Flyvideo3000 tv tuner card and now when i record with my mic i get a sound(soundcard is an Ectiva 5.1-which is a SB card) like a cricket. I used two different apps that previously i had no problems recording with. When i use the tv tuner card i have to enable 'line in' in the sound recording properties and i think i have to enable 'mic in' if i want to record with the mic. Of course i am not capturing video and recording with the apps i use with my mic. These are two different tasks. I have tried things with a new reboot but am getting nowhere. Anyone got any ideas?

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#1
February 3, 2010 at 07:00:47
When you're not using a program that can use a mic, RIGHT click on your speaker icon, select Open Volume Control, and make sure the mic is MUTED, which is what it's supposed to be. It's un-muted automaically when you use a program that can use a mic, muted again when you exit the program.
If you leave that un-muted, if you have more than one mic, e.g. some web cams have them, you can experience feedback problems that cause weird sounds.

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#2
February 3, 2010 at 08:11:08
Yes I did all that!
I don't have a webcam or another mic.
I have always had to manual mute or unmute in the past!

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#3
February 3, 2010 at 13:14:24
"I have always had to manual mute or unmute in the past!"

You don't need to do that, unless the program that can use a mic was not properly written, which could in theory be the case, but that's quite rare according to my experiences and from what I've come across.
It's supposed to be muted there, when you're not using a program that can use a mic. It's always that way when Windows is first installed if hardware support for a mic is detected, after you install sound "drivers", or after they have been installed automatically by Windows because the "drivers" for the sound chip/chipset are built into Windows, or after you install a sound card's software properly after Windows was installed (if it's built into the mboard IT'S NOT A CARD).
That's been the situation since Win 95.

You don't need to disable/enable muting Line in either, if the cable to the TV tuner is the only thing that you plug into Line in ! It should not be muted, at any time, (it isn't muted by default, usually) unless you're not using it.
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Alright then....

By the way, DO NOT install a PCI card in the last PCI slot closest to the center of the mboard, unless it is a PCI video card. That PCI slot is forced to share it's IRQ with the video, and that is likely to cause problems , unless the card is a PCI video card !
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Are you SURE you installed the software for the TV tuner card properly ?? Did you follow the manufacturer's directions ??

Are you SURE the card(s) is(are) all the way down in it's(their) slot ??

Are you SURE you installed the software for the sound properly ??
Sound "drivers" are actually drivers plus associated programs(sound software is a better description).
You DO NOT install drivers for sound while booting - when Windows detects a generic sound device while booting, you allow it to search for drivers, it doesn't find any, and it wants you to show it the location of the drivers - CANCEL that, continue on to the desktop, and install the sound "drivers" using the proper installation from a CD or the proper installation file that you downloaded from the web.

The same may apply to the TV Tuner card !
It certainly applies to video cards and onboard video !

Do you see anything flagged as not working properly, or unknown devices, in Device Manager ?

Look in System Information
(e.g. Start - Run - type: msinfo32 , press Enter, or click OK)
On the left side - Components - Probem Devices
Anything there?

Have you looked in Event viewer to see if any error is listed for the time you tried to record with the mic ?
(e.g. Control Panel - (Classic view) - Administrative Tools - Event Viewer - Application or System
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By any chance did you install updated software for the TV tuner card instead of the software on the CD that came with it?

A side note.

I have an ATI AIW (includes a TV tuner) card that originally had to have a cable connected from the card to the Line in port on the sound in order for you to be able to hear the sound of TV channels. When I used a newer software installation for it, the software was written such that cable to Line in was no longer required, but I didn't realize that right away. The result was, when the cable was still plugged in, and Line in had volume and was not muted, I could hear the sound for the TV channel the tuner was presently tuned to all the time Windows was running (or "fuzz" if the tuner had not yet been set up), and when I accessed the TV tuner program thru it's own program or thru Media Center (the os is XP MCE 2005 ) I could hear two of the same sounds, one slightly delayed, like an echo effect.
Unplugging the no longer required cable to Line in resulted in the tuner sound situation being as expected - normal.


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#4
February 3, 2010 at 19:34:03
OK it is a pci sound card and not in the slot you mentioned. The closest slot it agp and that is currently not used. I am just checking now if i installed the driver for the soundcard or not as i have several installs of windows on this machine. OK yep it is the right thing. Ectiva 5.1 (WDM).I didn't know that about the positioning of the cards so thanks for that handy info!

Yep i was very vigilant about the install. There are other issues with the software that came with the card too when i use it but when i use another program it works fine. Video capturing works fine with other software but the tv application is good. I have had it crash(goes to black and can still hear audio) when i finished capturing with the cards software. Doesn't do that with another program(showbiz).
I have the software for both the soundcard and the video capture card from the manufacturers. Maybe the video capture card has a more updated driver out there on the manufaturers website and will look into that later. I actually emailed their support section about it., It is a legacy device i thinks so i am not sure i will get a responce.
I have my computers drivers on the original cd that came with it when i purchased the machine years back and have reinstalled everything a few times.
Device manager all looks good. No bad things there.

No problems in msinfo32...gee didin't know that existed...thanks!!!


There are errors in event viewer...as i am not familiar with this app and what it means i am not sure what it means. Should i export the whole list as a txt as i can see i can do that. I see that there are two warnings in the day that in installed the capture device : one says- WinMgmt.....A provider, offprov11, has been registered in the WMI namespace, root\msapps11, but did not specify the hostingmodel properly. this provider will be run using the local system account. this account is privilaged and the provider may cause a security violation if it does not correctly impersonate user requests. ensure that provider has been reviewed for secrity and update the hostingmodel property of the provider registration to an account with the least priviledges possible for the required functionality.

So does this mean because i am not admin the whole thing didn't install properly?

There is also another one of those entries on the same day with the same info.

On the same day there is also under event viewer>system an error to do with not being able to connect to get the windows update but i do not get on the net unless i have to on the windows machine so will do that update another day. Nothing else wrong in that section.

I will search out the updated software from the manufacturers website later....

Yep there is a audio line in cable from the tv tuner to the soundcard otherwise the audio doesn't work for the tv software /capturing. I am familiar with that issue and it was in the installation guide written for the tv tuner. Have had one other card that used the same thing but the last tv tuner card didn't. I dumped that last card because i didn't have th original driver and i had to beg the manufacturer for it last time...anyway that card has gone to a new home now.

Ok will take note of what you said about the line in thing if i get the update software/driver from the manufacturer. Have seen some strange things happen with the several video capture devices that i have had.

Thanks tubes!!!

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#5
February 4, 2010 at 12:16:01
You may be able to overclock your present and any cpu you get.

Your ram is fine for you using it with a 333 mhz core cpu, if it works fine now - if it's compatible otherwise, it has a good connection in it's slots, and it passes a ram diagnostic test.

You may need to get a better cpu fan or cpu fan / heat sink combo.

You only need to heed Event errors that apply to when you attempt/attempted to use the mic, for the time being.

You may need to get newer software for the TV tuner card or the sound card or both.
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The details.....

I said in your Upgrade the cpu topic...
"By the way, sometimes the mboard's bios allows you to set custom setings for the cpu, sometimes it doesn't, and by default the bios uses the standard core mhz and multiplier for the cpu type. Most XP cpus will overclock easily (if you can change the multiplier) , at least somewhat, if you can specify custom settings. Usually it's not a good idea to set the cpu core voltage higher than standard ..."

I haven't looked at the manual for your mboard yet to see whether there's info in the bios settings descriptions that says you can specify custom multplier settings in the bios Setup. If you can, then you could try doing that with the cpu you have now, and any cpu you get. Keep an eye on the cpu temp in the bios if you do that - in some cases you may need to obtain at least a better cpu fan (more cfm - usually if it's specs say it uses more current it has a higher cfm, if it's the same type of fan ).

By the way, you may need to obtain a better cpu fan or heat sink / fan combo if you get a significantly faster cpu, as well.
You can look up the tech specs of a cpu model on the AMD site to determine how many watts a particular cpu uses / it's max thermal temp specs.

"OK my ram is 2 x Hyundai 1024mb DDr pc3200...says the speed is 200mhz...is that right? I am using SIW to find out."

"OK the bios is saying that the ram is:
DDR1 1024mb/166mhz(ddr333)
DDR2 1024mb/166mhz(ddr333)"

There is a tiny SPD chip on a top corner and end of the modules on which the manufacturer's info about the module is specified. SIW is reading that.

When you use "by SPD" or similar in the bios, which is usually the default, the bios reads the info on that chip on all the modules, and takes that info into account to determine the settings it uses for the ram. The bios uses the slowest settings if you have a mix of module capabilities e.g. for CAS or timing settings x-x-x-x - higher number = slower.
The bios also takes into account the capabilities of your particular main chipset / memory controller - for some more recent mboards, the memory contoller is built into the cpu, not the main chipset.

In this case, the main chipset / memory controller supports max 333mhz ram, so although the PC3200 is 400mhz ram, the fastest the bios can set it to is 333mhz.
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The PC3200 spec itself is 100% backward compatible, but that's not the only thing that determines whether the ram is compatible with your particular mboard.
In this case, since your main chipset was never specified as being able to use PC3200 / 400mhz ram, and in general, when you look up ram by using your mboard model or brand name system model to find out what ram works for sure in your mboard, you usually find no listings for ram that's faster than the mboard can handle (there are exceptions to that for newer main chipsets / cpus sometimes - e.g. Crucial often lists faster ram that will work). If the ram you're using is faster than the max your mboard can use, you can't be 100% sure the ram will work properly in your mboard. On the other hand, DDR ram is more likely to work fine in most mboards than some newer ram types do in newer mboards.

A side note - sometimes the max ram a mboard supports was stated wrongly in the original specs / mboard manual - e.g. for the Via MVP3 main chipset series, it was said to support max PC100 128mb SDram in each slot - it actually supports PC100 256mb in each slot, if you use certain double sided 16 chip modules. The chipset also works fine with SOME PC133 ram, if you want to overclock a bit. Sometimes the ram vendors list ram only according to the original specs in that case; sometimes they have corrected the info and list what the main chipset actually supports.
The Via MVP3 main chipset series can all use the same ram as the Via MVP4 main chipset - those include listings for 256mb modules.
The MVP4 chipset = the same specs as the last MVP3 chipset in the series with built in = Trident Blade video.(crappy for DVD playback except for OLD DVDs).

You must make sure the ram you install is compatible with the mboard's main chipset, and that it has a good connection in it's slots.
It the ram passes diagnostic tests in all circumstances (sometimes you MUST populate the ram slots in a certain order), there's nothing wrong with it, or with it's connection to the slot.
- See response one in this for lots of info about that:
http://www.computing.net/answers/ha...

Note: Vista, and probably Windows 7, has no msconfig.exe file, but it you Run msconfig or click on the icon (= Start) lower left of the desktop screen and type msconfig in the Search box, that works fine.
Vista, and probably Windows 7, does not pop up the two System Configuration windows after you have made a change
in msconfig the next time you boot, or ever. Niether do ME back to 95. There is no msconfig.exe in Win 95 but if you copy it from a newer operating system to the proper place it works fine in 95.

"Yep i was very vigilant about the install."
"Device manager all looks good. No bad things there."

Good.

"There are other issues with the software that came with the card too when i use it but when i use another program it works fine. Video capturing works fine with other software but the tv application is good. I have had it crash(goes to black and can still hear audio) when i finished capturing with the cards software. Doesn't do that with another program(showbiz)."

If you have other programs that work fine, then at least you have something.
Some programs for video capture work a lot better if you specify a NTFS partition for where the recordings are stored rather than a FAT32 one (e.g. Media Center in XP MCE 2005) in the program's settings. If you don't have a lot of free space on C, specify another partition with more free space if you can.

"I have the software for both the soundcard and the video capture card from the manufacturers."

Sometimes the software on the CD that came with the device (or mboard) has bugs, and in that case often the manufacturer's web site has removed that buggy software from their site and have replaced it with a better version that you can download.
Bugs in sound "drivers" (drivers plus applications) often cause problems with other software.

"I have my computers drivers on the original cd that came with it when i purchased the machine years back and have reinstalled everything a few times."

Usually installing both onboard sound and video drivers and drivers for the same in slots doesn't cause problems, unless, possibly, the software or the chip/chipset was made by the same brand. If you have the software for more than one soond chip/chipset installed, the last one you installed becomes the default sound Windows uses. You can change the default sound device settings, when you have more than one, in Control Panel - Sounds and Audio Devices - Audio.

That said, sometimes you need to un-install onboard video drivers when you install a video card in a slot, despite the fact installing an AGP or PCI-E card in a slot, sometimes a PCI card, usually disables the onboard video automatically.

"No problems in msinfo32...gee didin't know that existed...thanks!!!"

That's merely the short way to get to System Information.
The usual way is Programs - Accessories - System Tools - System Information. It's always there in 95 thru XP.
You can type that in Vista and Windows 7 too to get similar info.

"There are errors in event viewer...as i am not familiar with this app and what it means i am not sure what it means. Should i export the whole list as a txt as i can see i can do that."

You only need to quote the info for the lines that are flagged with an error - including the error codes you're getting - for the time when you were trying to use the mic in the TV tuner's software, or at about the same time.

"one says- WinMgmt..."
There are a few errors than XP commonly gets for many people consistantly or randomly or occasionally that don't cause any problem except possibly short delays. If it's not for about the time you were trying to use the mic in the TV tuner's software, ignore that for the time being. The error isn't significant if it has rarely happened when you or Windows attempted to do something - scroll down the list to check for that.

If you double click on the line with the error, it shows you more info, but you can't copy and paste the info in the grey box the usual way. However, using Ctrl-C to Copy, after you have selected and highlighted the text you want to copy, and then going to where you want to paste it, placing the cursor at the beginning of where you want it, and pressing Ctrl-V to Paste, works fine. (Hold down Ctrl, press the letter, let go. The case [upper/lower] of the letter doesn't matter.)
(Those keyboard shortcuts often work fine when you can't Paste the text into a box the usual way, otherwise, too.)
There is a link to more info about the error on the Microsoft site in the info in the grey box - clicking on that sometimes provides more info - sometimes it doesn't, or it does but the info is too generic (many possible causes). You can Copy and Paste the info on the Microsoft site the usual way.

"....an error to do with not being able to connect to get the windows update but i do not get on the net unless i have to on the windows machine..."

That can be ignored in that case. Similar errors will appear for other things that attempt to access the net when you're not online - those can be ignored too.


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#6
February 6, 2010 at 00:31:05
Hmmm just found something interesting, Maybe my mic port is not good. I just plugged the mic in the line-in port on the soundcard and i can record that way. I used an app called Audacity and it didn't matter that i chose mic or line-in the at that app it still recorded. I though had line-in activated in recording(sound properties) in windows. Odd...is that supposed to happen?
Could i have the ports mixed up? On this ectiva card the colours of the ports are not the usual pink for mic etc. I thought the orange one was for the mic all along. I so rarely use that machine so i am not sure how i recorded with it before.

I think i have done a ram diagnostic test in the past but i had done so much to this machine i am not sure. I spend too much time on my machines and people come all the time with simple things for me to do on their machines.

I have tried to find newer software for the sound card and there isn't any. I also tried the tv tuner and posted about that on the other thread.

Yes I have seen those bigger/better fans and heat sinks so will keep that in mind...thanks.

Yes I have studied some motherboard manuals in the past concerning ram and found that there was some misinformation. In saying that i am not good at sticking to what they say as most of the time i am dealing with a lot of old hardware so i take the risk as most people bring me really old machines and they don't want to spend money on getting something new as they can't afford it. I tell them the risks and most of the time things work. I think only one impatient friend who actually has lots of money did go out and buy another machine as he didn't want me to spend more time on the machine. He he that is cool though as i could have stuffed things entirely. Thanks for that info on ram!

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Above is some more info...

My system is NTFS. I have two drives. One is 40gig and the other 80gig. The 40gig is the primary. I just cleared a lot of stuff and uninstalled unused /unnecesary programs....transferred videos to the secondary now storage drives. Cleaned things with some cleaner software...forgot the name now. Retested and the tv tuner software seems to be working better now but will give it another test. Well as far as the mic though i found whatever i said further up this post.

Yep in control panel it shows the Ectiva card as the sound not the onboard!

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Here are a couple of the errors in admin tools.....

I didn't worry about the errors that said something about not getting ms updates.

I think i got everything covered ...phew...exhausted lol

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#7
February 6, 2010 at 00:45:34
Gee it just crashed again when recording using lifeview software, Went to black and kept hearing audio when i pressed the app to stop recording. Maybe it is a timing issue. Sorry not sure if i mentioned this was an issue too. I know i contacted the manufacturers website about it!
The capture file still saved on the hard drive so that is ok.
Maybe i should put an agp video card in this machine too. I have two spare ones i think that are agp. The onboard video uses the installed ram. I think 128mb? Or 64mb?
Yep seems to be a timing issue when i stop recording i have to wait before i turn off the application. Maybe that is when it crashed and not when i just stopped recording.....

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#8
February 6, 2010 at 03:34:24
OK well everything is good now. I installed an agp Nvidia card and it is a GF MX440. A few tweaks here and there and no crashing.
I have to use the line-in port on the sound card for the mic or the audio cable coming from the tv tuner card but it works well. Ofcourse i have to change the sound properties. Maybe it is auto like you said but I will see later. It is an odd soundcard this Ectiva but at least things are smooth now!
I used the mic in two different programs and did quite a few captures using the flyvideo program!
Thanks :0)

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#9
February 6, 2010 at 08:47:10
We're glad to hear things worked out.

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#10
February 6, 2010 at 17:42:50
Thanks Tubesandwires!!! So is it ok to record via the line-in? Could my mic port be faulty on the soundcard?

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#11
February 7, 2010 at 21:34:42
By the way, what are you recording with the mic?
I never use a mic unless there's no other way.

"So is it ok to record via the line-in? "

Using the cable from the TV tuner or from some other source to Line in, other than a mic?
Apparently so. You said:

"I just plugged the mic in the line-in port on the soundcard and i can record that way. I used an app called Audacity and it didn't matter that i chose mic or line-in the at that app it still recorded."

Using a mic to the Line in port?

It wouldn't hurt to try that.
However, the range of impedence expected by the sound chip specs for the Line in port may be quite different from that for a Mic port, and the impedence of different makes and models of mics varies in any case.
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Impedence - resistance to ac [alternating current - current both ways]; similar to resistance to dc current but varies with the frequency of the ac e.g. an analog sound signal has relatively random ac, the impedence varies; ac power at the wall has a constant frequency, 60 or 50 Hz, the impedence of an ac device is an unchanging value.
AC devices also have a dc [direct current - one way current] resistance. E.g. a speaker's (dc) resitance measured with an ohmeter is often about 2/3 of it's (ac) impedence printed on or rated for the speaker. e.g. 4 ohms, 8 ohms (which is not actually it's impedence at all frequencies) .
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"Could my mic port be faulty on the soundcard?"

I've never encountered a faulty mic port or faulty mic port circuits on sound adapters, but on the other hand don't use mics much.
It's a lot more likely to be a drivers problem in my experience.

E.g.

In your Response 6

The second set of two photobucket pics

Second picture - longer error message - not clear what it's for.

By the way, I would much rather you use the Crtl-C and Ctrl-V keyboard shortcuts to copy and paste the text in the grey boxes in Event error messages to posts here - photo bucket pictures are deleted in a short time, and that's of no use to anyone who comes across this topic in the future after they have been deleted.

The 1st one for sbp2port shows
"Driver detected an internal error in it's data structures for...."

That's sounds like a drivers problem, not a hardware problem.

Something in the TV card drivers or other software for it clash with the sound card drivers or other software for it, or one or the other or both need different drivers.

In my experience, the problems are more likely to be caused by sound drivers.

It often doesn't really matter if you can't find newer drivers for a sound card because the manufacturer has no support anymore - they don't make the sound chip/chipset themselves in many cases, and there are only so many sound chip/chipset makers - if you look up the drivers/software for the soundchip/chipset brand and model, generic driver/software downloads you get off the web may work fine.

The mic may work fine if you remove the card and install the drivers for the onboard sound and use the ports for that.

The mic may work fine when you get and install newer drivers/software for the TV Tuner.

If the mic worked fine in the sound card before you installed the TV tuner, there's nothing wrong with the mic port or the circuits for it, unless you have somehow damaged the card regarding that since then .
If you remove the TV tuner and/or it's software and the mic works fine, there's nothing wrong with the mic port or the circuits for it on the sound card.

Etc., etc., etc., etc.

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First 3 photobucket pics in Response 6.

Third one.

"Bios Version K7VM4 P2.50"

That's probably your mboard's current bios version.


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#12
February 8, 2010 at 00:40:27
No the mic recording is for a different piece of software. Music production. Recording my voice!
Nothing to do with what i capture from the tv tuner.

OK will remember to to the copy paste thing with text. I am just so used to doing image captures.
I reinstalled the soundcards drivers because just in case but it's just the same!
I noticed something else because of some other problem i had that i do not have 'sound recorder' in windows. Why would that be?
I am pretty sure ages ago i went to look for newer drivers for the sound card and i didn't get very far. I just had a look on driverguide and the driver there is dated the same year as what i have on the cd. I might get another soundcard and just see how that goes. I gave a box of them to a friend that is sending part somewhere so will take one back!
I don't like onboard sound because i do some music production. Onboard sound just doesn't have the grunt that a pci card does from experience.

Thanks I don't think i can keep moving the machine to get the cards out so i will leave it as is. It breaks my back to make all the changes.

Sorry I don't quite understand that bit about the bios?

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#13
February 8, 2010 at 08:28:02
"Recording my voice!"

Ok then, there's no other way.

"I am just so used to doing image captures."

That's fine for your own use but not for posts here, if someone would benefit from finding your Topic in the future.

"..i do not have 'sound recorder' in windows. Why would that be?"

Software conflict?

Start - Run - type: msinfo32 , click OK or press Enter
On the left side -
Components - Problem Devices
Anything there?

You should have it here:
C:\Windows\System32\sndrec32.exe

and here
All Programs - Accessories - Entertainment - Sound Recorder

Apparently it can only record for 60 seconds, and there are lots of better free sound recorder prgrams better on the web.

If it's here:
C:\Windows\System32\sndrec32.exe
but not here:
All Programs - Accessories - Entertainment - Sound Recorder

You could try loading a System Restore restore point that has a time / date just before you noticed it was missing, but that might mess up the recognition of your sound card / TV tuner drivers / software. You can always re-load a newer restore pint if you need to - create a restore point before you load an older one.

"I am pretty sure ages ago i went to look for newer drivers for the sound card and i didn't get very far."

See Response 11 - the part starting
"It often doesn't really matter if you can't find newer drivers for a sound card ..."

You haven't ruled out the TV tuner software being the cause of your problem until you've tried loading newer software for that.

"I don't like onboard sound because i do some music production. Onboard sound just doesn't have the grunt that a pci card does from experience."

Musicians and audiophiles in Topics I've seen on this site have said that some of the USB connected sound adapters give far better results than PCI sound cards.

"Sorry I don't quite understand that bit about the bios?"

"First 3 photobucket pics in Response 6.

Third one.

"Bios Version K7VM4 P2.50"

That's probably your mboard's current bios version. "

That was a FYI .
That's often important when you want to upgrade a cpu, but in this case the cpus listed by the mboard's web site for your mboard model are supposed to be supported by all bios versions.

Apparently I got your two Topics mixed up with another one where the person who started the topic wanted to know where to find the current bios version.


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#14
February 9, 2010 at 01:28:11
Yes I know what you mean about the image captures. Point taken! :0)
Yep I did the search for sound recorder and it is not in either location or opened via the 'run' thing.
I haven't set restore points with this install of XP which is pretty recent. I do use Audacity(open source) for basic recording. Just can't remember the last time mic recording worked on this machine as i mess with too many computers and sometimes use a professional recording studio to get the real stuff done.
I know i have used the windows sound recorder but can't think when. Don't know if it was even with this install or machine.

Oh really USB sound adapters are good?! Hmmmm will take note of that one as i had no idea!

Oh sorry thanks I did see the bios info and now i understand the reference thanks!!! Ah cool...hey i am the confused one not you he he....

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#15
February 9, 2010 at 07:53:38
"Yep I did the search for sound recorder and it is not in either location or opened via the 'run' thing."
"I know i have used the windows sound recorder but can't think when. Don't know if it was even with this install or machine."

Sound Recorder is installed by default, unless possibly it might not be if you did a custom install and de-selected it or de-selected something that would have installed it. It can only record for up to 60 seconds.
If you're not concerned about it being missing, then ignore the fact that it isn't there. There are better free alternatives available on the web - just search for: free sound recorder .

If you do want to restore it....

" OS: windowsXP pro SP2 "

If your XP CD has SP2 updates built in, and you haven't installed SP3 updates yet, you could run SFC (System File Checker) to possibly restore it.
Insert the XP SP2 CD.
Start - Run - type: sfc /scannow , click OK or press Enter.
It will check the computer for essential system files, and replace any found to be corrupted or missing with ones on the CD, but I don't know if that includes Sound Recorder. It can take quite a while to run to completion - e.g. at least 20 minutes.
NOTE that you may have to click on Re-try many times while running it, when it indicates it can't find a file on the source (CD) - in most cases SFC will then eventually complete running if you do that. Ignore the name of the CD it asks for - sometimes it gets that wrong.

SFC will refuse to accept the CD as a valid source of files to check against if Windows was updated after it was installed with newer SP updates, or if the CD has no SP updates built in. A glitch is, you can't stop SFC a normal way once it starts, especially when you have that situation - you have to press Alt-Ctrl-Del to pop up Task Manager, and choose to Shut Down or Restart the computer in that.


Or - you could run a Repair installation prodecure of Windows fron the CD (I prefer to call it a Repair Setup procedure).

How to do an XP Repair Setup, step by step:
http://www.windowsreinstall.com/win...

However, you need to be made aware of some things BEFORE you run it, because there's a small chance it could trash your existing Windows installation, and you may need to re-install a small amount of software after it has run. Ask me about that, and I'll tell you more.
.......

By the way, you should install SP3 updates before you have added a lot of programs to the original Windows installation, otherwise it's a lot more likely you will have problems after they've been installed, or you may have problems during the installation of them.
The very best time is not long after you have initially installed Windows from the CD. If you install SP3 updates in that situation they will install without you having any problems.
It can be very important to un-install anti-malware programs, or to DISABLE the resident module(s) in anti-malware programs - the part that scans the computer for suspicious activity all the time the computer is running, in the background - BEFORE you install the SP3 updates. E.g. Norton / Symantec products should be un-installed, otherwise you WILL have problems after the SP3 updates - those problems can be fixed without you having to un-install the SP3 updates, but you have to look up how to do that on the Symantec or the Microsoft web site.

I don't think SP3 updates are allowed to be auto installed by Windows Automatic Updates. You go to the Microsoft web site to the Windows Update page, do an Express search, and they will be listed, if they haven't been installed yet. If you haven't been to the Windows Update page yet, a few things will have to be loaded by it to update Windows files before you can actually search for updates.

"Oh really USB sound adapters are good?"
There are small simple ones, and more sophisticated ones that connect to a box - the latter can give you audiophile quality results. Either can bypass using any other installed sound adapters.

"I do use Audacity(open source) for basic recording."

When did you install that? It's possible it's clashing with other software or with drivers when you try to record with the mic.


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February 9, 2010 at 17:37:40
Yes I understand that it is supposed to be installed by default and it is possible that somehow it wasn't installed because i usually do do a custom install of windows. I don't know why but a few time people have said to me to do restore for some reason or another and i can't get it done. I don't want to go down that road again as it did my head in. I know what sound recorder does and how it works but does it mean that i can or cannot record? It is just a way to test isn't it?
The cd only has sp1 and not sp2. I was told not to get sp3 by a few people. They said it has many problems and i also have a very limited amount of data internet usage so it is impossible for me to download anyway. I will give it is a miss as it has always been a nightmare to do....difficult to explain as it was a while back and i do too much to remember too many details..

OK thanks will look into that adapter when money appears in
my life. Broke most of the time as i am on a pension.

Well I have used Audacity for years and never had a problem with it. I have no idea if it causes problems with anything. I am confused why it would. I don't know when i installed it or if i have indeed used it since this install of windows. I don't remember.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#17
February 9, 2010 at 19:19:30
"I don't know why but a few time people have said to me to do restore for some reason or another and i can't get it done."

See my notes in Response 15 starting at

"or - you could run a Repair installation prodecure of Windows..."

If you want to know about the precautions you need to know about, let me know. I've run it a dozen times or more and was successful in all but one time - and that was because of incomptible ram I didn't know about was causing ram errors - it was someone else's computer.
It takes less time than Setup originally did to run.

Sound Recorder is not essential as far as I know. I don't think it has to be there at all for other Windows and third party software to work properly.

"I was told not to get sp3 by a few people. They said it has many problems ...."

As I said above, you don't have problems installing it or afterwards unless a lot of other software was installed before the SP3 updates were installed. Some of those problems are caused by anti-malware programs having been installed when the SP3 updates were installed, or their resident modules.

When you use the Microsoft Update page these days after you have installed Windows with SP2 updates from scratch, that's the first and only thing that is listed. After you have installed that, then it lists other updates.

"...... i also have a very limited amount of data internet usage so it is impossible for me to download anyway."

Ask someone you know if they have the SP3 updates download, or if they could download it for you. There were SP2 updates CDs that were distributed to computer sellers and anyone who contacted Microsoft - perhaps there are SP3 CDs too. Phone a place that has been selling computers for a long time to see if they have a SP3 updates CD. Or they may be available from Microsoft.


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#18
February 9, 2010 at 21:21:25
Yeah I am pretty sure i tried the repair thing too. I just don't want to do my head it with the trouble it caused me. I can't remember what that was as i have had too many things take too much time and i am not willing to go there.

I have sp2 on a cd that i got from an uncle that has a computer shop. Before you ask he is inaccessible. Cranky and lives too far away lol. I would rather do without his cranky attitude. Us women don't wanna hear it lol.

Cool don't need sound recorder so i won't bother with it. I forgot to ask my friend last night again to get a new soundcard from him but will try and remember to do so another time. Very hard to get him on the phone.

Yep i know about the MS updates. I don't have enough data usage. Never do. That machine is off the net so i don't do the updates very often. Only when i can. I also get the antivirus program and superantispyware updated. The only reason i bother is i am introducing files/programs that could be infected via cd's/usb drive whatever.
No one has the sp3 update at the computer shops around here and they stopped doing the sp2 update cd long ago too. I was lucky when i got mine. Now that i think about it it was with some magazine that i didn't buy. Someone gave me the magazine and it was in the folder. I don't buy the computer magazines as I can't read a hell of a lot, too expensive and most the stuff is not usable to me. Primarily being a Linux user.
I don't know what it is with the computer shops in my area but they seem to just be in it for the money and not very helpful. Sometimes i will come across someone in Harvey Norman that likes to talk computers but they have to make their commission after all.

Thanks Tubes. I appreciate your advice. Will get back to you as maybe the soundcard(new one) will solve everything.....

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February 10, 2010 at 08:25:12
"..they stopped doing the sp2 update cd long ago too. I was lucky when i got mine. Now that i think about it it was with some magazine that i didn't buy...."

I ordered the official SP2 updates CD online from Microsoft when they were offering it for free, but it never arrived. Strange, since Microsoft's headquarters in Redmond Washington is only 400 miles or less from where I live in Canada.

I used to answer posts on another site (Constructor's Corner), before I started answering on Computing.net, that was in south east Austrailia. It was a part of a web site for a two man computer shop (Lanyon Computers) in a relatively small town or city. They also had a part time webmaster (Mal). They built new systems but also had older computer pieces and systems available online and at their shop. A guy who used to answer frequently too (Alan) that lives not far from where the computer shop was sent me email frequently, and still sends a trickle. When I told him my SP2 CD had never arrived, he sent me an Aus computer related magazine (to where I am in Canada) that had the official SP2 updates CD included with it. That's where I got mine from.
Not long after that, I found a local place that sells computers and office supplies (STAPLES) still had the SP2 updates CD available for free, and I got one for someone else.
Eventually the two guys closed down their shop and then their web site (they left it intact until the lease expired), and moved on to something else computer related that wasn't as competitive and time consuming. .

"I don't know what it is with the computer shops in my area but they seem to just be in it for the money and not very helpful."

Ya, many of them are like that. Some here have no commisioned salesmen (e.g. Best Buy, Staples). Some have one man tech support people at each location (e.g. London Drugs) who are often very customer and enquiry friendly. Smaller places that custom build computers and are selling a lot of computer pieces, often owned and run by Asians, are often quite very customer and enquiry friendly.


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#20
February 10, 2010 at 18:18:26
Oh that is odd you didn't get your cd. I didn't know about them for quite a while. Can't remember who told me about it. That was when i had dialup i think.
Interesting your connections with Australia. South East sounds like Victoria? I am in NSW Sydney. Here the computer stores are glossy and new. In the west there are the old stores but i never get out there unfortunately!

Ah so you have a variety of stores where you are....London?!
We have harvey Norman but they sell furniture, electricals etc as well. Ummmmm many store that I don't bother to go into. Sometimes you will see computers in KMart or Target but those dummies have no idea what they are selling he he. They are good though for telling friends what to buy. Say a friend wants a new computer and is on a budget and they are only using it for surfing, watching youtube and emailing. Then a prepacked system that is under $1000 is ideal.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#21
February 12, 2010 at 07:48:11
I intended to send this last night but my ADSL connection failed and would not re-set. It's a good thing I RIGHT clicked on it and chose Select all, Copy, when I saw there was a problem, otherwise I would have had to type similar again.
......

" Interesting your connections with Australia. South East sounds like Victoria? I am in NSW Sydney.."

Lanyon Computers was in a small town or city (if I dig around I could probably figure out where, or I could ask Alan), and Alan is, south of Canberra I believe. Alan lives on what we call an acerage here - you may not use the same term - a place in a developed rural area - between where Lanyon Computers was and the Blue Mountains. I'm 58, he's about 5 years older, has a wife, and they have a single child - she's only in her early 20's. He worked in the computer industry from the early days in Aus, and at one time worked for Compaq there. He's been retired since I've known him.

"Ah so you have a variety of stores where you are....London?!"

Alberta, Canada, in a city that has about a million people in it's metropolitan area. There is a London in Ontario, and a Victoria on Vancouver Island off the west coast.
Alberta has four names of the same daughter of Queen Victoria - Alberta the Province, the town Caroline, Lake Louise in Banff National Park, and one other I don't recall.

I mentioned those chain store names because I thought you were in the US - they have all of the same there, at least in some areas. K-Mart used to be here but as far as I know they don't exist in Canada anymore - I think they're still in the US - they used to be Kresgie's, or Kresgy's (pronounced krezgeez). There aren't any Target stores where I am - I don't know if there are any in Canada - there are certainly a lot of them in the US. We see ads for them on TV. We get both Canadian and American (from Spokane, Washington) TV channels on cable TV, as well as sattelite and digital channels if we're willing to pay more (we aren't) - we still have over the air broadcasting of analog channels for a couple of years yet, until they're all digital, only via cable here - they're already all digital in the US, since January 2010 ? - cable and over the air.

"Say a friend wants a new computer and is on a budget and they are only using it for surfing, watching youtube and emailing. Then a prepacked system that is under $1000 is ideal."

The computer related business where I am is fiercely comptetive. e.g. The Walmart chain, which is in both Canada and the US, has not had much success selling computer systems and printers and related here - we can get the same things elsewhere cheaper locally easily. Same goes for most "department" stores here (although LCD TVS were a hot item everywhere this last Xmas season) e.g. On the bottom end, desktop computers with was-a-decent-system-a-year-ago specs for as little as $300 or so - not a good gamer machine for recent games, but fine otherwise. On the other hand, a good desktop system with very good but not the latest newest things is over $700 or more. The Aus dollar is roughly equal in value to the Canadian dollar - currently a Canadian dollar is worth about 88? cents US.


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#22
February 12, 2010 at 08:23:16
Yeah some people say acerage or country area....not sure. They are nice places. I don't get out of the city much anymore myself. Good to know someone from the beginning of the computing era. I know a few of them but one is retired and cranky. Plus he would rather spend time on acting and going out dancing. He has a network of computers at home(Linux, windows and a mac laptop) and does video editing. He worked all over the world in a varying types of IT jobs and had his own business. One other guy I know is too caught up with family but sometimes with send me cd's/dvd's of all sorts of things to help me. Sometimes Linux distro or whatever. Both are computer scientists. If I lived closer to them i would have progressed more in this world of computers. I really appreciate people that have that knowledge!

Ah Canada OK. Nice people!

Yes last time i was in the US I saw K-Mart. It hasn't been in Australia as long as the US. Not a very interesting store.
I think the presumption on a lot of website is that people are from the states. I get on lots of forums for so many subjects. Like linux ones, forums to do with music production, mobile phones ones as i like to fix my mobiles, pda forums as i fix them too, Hip Hop forums etc.

Ah interesting. We are switching over to digital tv completely soon...but it is free to air stuff. Paid tv hasn't been in Australia very long either and is rediculous. Costs too much and limited channels not like the states. I liked it in the states. We are a small population so everything is slow to get happening here.

Oh I didn't realise we were in line with the Canadian dollar. Yeah it is too expensive here as we don't produce any hardware so they have to ship things over. Plus lots of people think if they pay a lot they will get good quality. Damn no! There is one place called MSY that is up the road and their stuff is real cheap but you have to line up standing and know what you want. There is no looking and asking questions. Well maybe one question like 'can i have the black version'?. If they don't have it they won't order it in. This is a strickly techie nerd store and ordinary people go there. I can't get friends to go because they want to bother a sales person....they don't even understand what they are buying anyway lol. One friend just bought a printer/scanner/fax/copier and paid over $400 for it. He said he paid $100 more because it has wireless capabilities. I said what are you using that for? He said I dunno. I said do you know what wireless is? He said no. I said well why did you buy it? He said the guy at the the shop said to get it and the unwireless one had sold out.....what a waste! He won't be using the fax facility on it either.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#23
February 12, 2010 at 15:59:30
"I think the presumption on a lot of website is that people are from the states."

For this web site, it appears the people who post here are from the US, UK, Canada, Aus, NZ, and other various countries in the order of numbers of them.

"We are switching over to digital tv completely soon...but it is free to air stuff."

As far as I've heard digital TV in western Canada will only be available by cable, or satellite. There may be some over-the-air in eastern Canada. There's been a lot of complaining that many people in remote areas will have no TV unless they can get and afford satellite TV service where they are, when the analog channels are gone. One TV station here - the first one we had in about 1954 - has many re-broadcasting analog transmitters - they reach nearly everywhere in central and northern Alberta, up to the northern edges of Alberta in places, and into the north eastern part of B.C. to the west - that will be gone.

I've never bought a new brand name desktop computer and I don't think I ever will - I have had hand-me-down ones, discarded ones, a few I got in exchange for computer related labour, and I have fiddled with other people's ones. I can't see myself ever using a laptop or netbook, but I have fiddled with a few other people's laptops.
I've never bought a new pre-assembled computer of any sort.

My favourite places to shop for computer pieces locally are the relatively small ones that build custom computers and have lots of pieces, often run and owned by Asians (usually Chinese).
E.g. These guys are my favourite one will order what they don't have in stock if they can get it from their wholsalesuppliers, are are freindly:
http://www.atechonline.ca/PublicMai...
Two Chinese (?) couples, all of which speak English reasonably and know their stuff.
A larger computer related only one I like is this one - prices a bit higher than the smaller places but more stock on hand:
http://www.memoryexpress.com/
Why that name? They started out selling only ram.

As far as printers are concerned, I prefer Canon ones. Excellent support and good manuals included with the product - you can often even get internal parts and service manuals for more recent ones of them if you look on the web. There is Canon service center in Alberta, at least there is for cameras.
My disabled friend has an ip4200. I have gotten her an extra printhead for it, a service manual, and bulk ink and a chip re-setter so that I can re-fill it's 5 medium sized (one black one is twice the size of the others) ink cartridges cheaply for her. It does double sided (duplex) printing if needed, too. Excellent for a printer that was ~ $100 on sale.
It was one of the last Canon models that still has 98SE/ME drivers available for it.

I have a BJC-4400 I've been using continuously since the beginning of 2000 - I got the black cartridge for it for free via a special offer when I bought Canon paper with it. I got an optional color scanner cartidge for it on sale at the same time - it still works, 300dpi. No chips in the cartridges (integral printhead, except for next), the color cartridge / two tank system is crap, but I've used the black cartridge continously, have refilled them myself as many as a dozen times before the print head failed. There is a photo cartridge that's decent too, but you have to be using it often enough, and I haven't, so they have clogged.
I've recycled at least a half dozen used BJ-200 series, BJC-2xx series and BJC-4xxx printers for the use of others.

We frequently have cheaper models of inkjet printers here for, say, ~ $40 for a printer, a bit more for a multi-function unit - but they all have tiny cartridges when they're that cheap, so they cost you more in the long run.
Kodak printers or multi-function units cost more, but their cartridges are medium sized and the cheapest available - they're cheap enough it's not really worth the fuss of re-filling them yourself, and, so far, all of them use the same two cartridges, and they're widely avaiable.
There are some relatively cheap b&w and color laser printers (e.g. Samsung).


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February 12, 2010 at 16:21:26
"There's been a lot of complaining that many people in remote areas will have no TV unless they can get and afford satellite TV service where they are, when the analog channels are gone."

That probably will be true if it's the least bit mountainous, since I wouldn't have anything were it not for satellite. The 3 channels I used to get on antenna are now completely gone. For my money, the HDTV thing is a utter joke.


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#25
February 12, 2010 at 18:07:51
Oh ok just must be my personal experience then. You help out here so you see more than i do. I used to help out with the win3.1 part of the forum as i used that OS longer than any other. I hung in there because i had some help for a long time from another Canadian back a few short years ago. Then i jumped to win98 then XP. I might have used win95 for a short time but never used win2000/ME.

Wow that is bad about your TV situation there. Wow i wonder why here in Australia they decided to do what they have done. They have even added many more digital channels. Luckily for me i found a set top box on the street a few months ago as where i live i am in 'gully' and one side there are lots of very tall city buildings. Over the years i was going from fuzzy tv to nothing at all so i found the stb in time!

Wow that is most of my experience too. I did buy one desktop though because the government were offering a loan. It was so much trouble and I had to take the machine back to the shop so many times in the warranty period. After the warranty expired i took the machine to my uncle and he said it was put together wrong . Some things weren't connected properly to the motherboard. So cranky uncle corrected it for me. I still have the machine! It is the one with winxp on it!
I do have an Eeepc laptop because i can go to free wifi hotspots and download stuff for other people or sometimes for myself. Also can go for it with youtube or music. My home connection is just too limited. Trouble is the wifi hotspots are pretty slow in Oz and well all internet connections are!
Only reason i got the Eeepc is that the government gave us poor people some money over a year ago and i used most of that money to buy herbal medicine which has made so much of a difference to my life and the Eeepc. I formally found a laptop and it was huge. I used a trolly to take it to free wifi hotspots he he. The Eeepc is so small ...i love it!

That A-Tech website is a good one. Easy to navigate and understand!
Gee they sell everything on that second link. Wish i could get one of those cameras!!!

Ah i didn't know Canon's had that good support. Will take note of that!
I have tried doing the refilling thing a number of times some years ago but was very bad at it. Maybe there are tutorials on youtube these days that would show me how to do it. It does work out much cheaper and better for the environment.
Personally i prefer lasers though and up until the other day i had a HP 6P laser mono. Now I have a Brother HL-1430. I found both of them. Those rich people are very bad for throwing out such good stuff but it is great for me. I gave away the HP printer to another friend that will be printing out lots of stuff. I found it maybe 3 years ago and used it occassionally. Still has lots of ink left in the cartridge. Never replaced it! Unfortunately it has a paper feed problem and can only be fed manually. I have the service manual i downloaded and fixed it twice before but have given up. The Brother machine is working and more compact so i will go with that!
Yes I have noticed that lasers have gone down a lot in price. I was trying to convince my friend but he is so stubborn to change. If it wasn't for me he would have never have touched a computer and be running a business from Australia via Skype over to Senegal(West Africa). I often have to go over a fix problems as he refuses to maintain his system. Defrag, update the antivirus, Scan with the av, update superantispyware, scan with superantispyware etc. Very annoying!

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#26
February 12, 2010 at 18:09:56
Yes T-R-A it is a joke here too. I have had to get sophisticated to get tv happening here. My little indoor spiral T antenna is outside and i have to go outside and move it according to what channel i want. Rediculous!

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#27
February 12, 2010 at 20:13:52
"One TV station here - the first one we had in about 1954 - "

Back in about 1960 they made it known and were pround of the fact that they had the greatest TV transmittng power in the province - 50,000 watts. That was probably before they had any re-broadcasting transmitters. I have no idea what it is now.
One of my electronics teachers in high school used to work at that station, in the early 60's I think. He told us they had huge vaccuum tubes in a separate building to power that - 6 feet tall or more - cooled by means of coiled copper? pipe around them with some fluid running through them.

Since we get channels from Spokane Washington on cable, I have learned from occaisionally watching the local coverage on their stations that digital over-the-air does not have as far a reach as analog, and it doesn't spread downwards as well, so they've had to add transmtters in areas where they didn't need them with analog signals, especially in the foothills west of Spokane on the east side of the Rocky Mountains.

On the west side of Alberta there are foothills and the Rocky Mountains - the lower half or so of our border to the west is along not far beyond the east/west continental divide the Rocky Mountains created.It is believed that millions of years ago, the west coast was just beyond that, and that since then, what is now the province of B.C. (British Columbia) was formed - it's almost all mountains from the west side of the Rockies to the coast. They're going to have even more problems with digital, if they go for over-the air there.

FYI rapattack, the center of the Rockies is very raw - sharp, pointed in places, massive chunks of rock - not extremely ancient and worn down and rounded like in eastern Canada in the north. The mountains in BC are younger but many were formed from uplifted seafloor - not necessarily sharp massive chunks of rock. Some nearer the west coast are dormant volcanos. The mountains in Eastern Canada are mere bumps in comparison.

"Those rich people are very bad for throwing out such good stuff but it is great for me."

The Canon printers I recycled were either in the alley in the garbage, or ones friends or relatives no longer wanted.
Some people here get a new cheap printer when they find out how much it costs to replace the cartridges in the one they had.
I retreived 4 cases, 3 of them working desktop computers from a garbage bin that I happened to throw some litter in while walking to my local mall, a couple years back. All parts except some of the cases (the bin was nearly empty when they threw them in, so they were bent, some had busted plastic) were eventually re-used / given away to people with little money to spare. I sometimes see not so old CRT montors in the garbage in the warmer months, but I already have more of those than I need.
(I don't cruise the neighbourhood alleys looking for re-usable stuff.)

One thing I've heard from Alan is he's got much faster ADSL service in Aus than we can get here.

"....i used most of that money to buy herbal medicine which has made so much of a difference to my life and the Eeepc."

Alan retired earlier than intended and was, and may still be, given a disability pension. His mother used some teething powder or paste that had mercury in it when he was a baby. The effects of the mercury contamination is called Grave's disease.


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#28
February 12, 2010 at 23:31:35
Wow it is way more difficult where you are then!
Sounds like a beautiful place though not like smoggy old Sydney.

He he i do cruise but only in the rich area a few short kilometres from me. My area is too poor lol. I go every sunday as it is an organised council cleanup and in zones. So I have maps and i am a professional at this now. I sell some things on ebay so i can survive better. I love to give away some things too and helping my friend send computers to his country to poor kids! Worthwhile! Wish I knew more but the little i do know about puters has served me well!.

Wow really your friend has faster internet than you. gee you are suffering there! Funny how i was so skeptical about the power of computers and the internet and now i can do without it. I have reorganised my cables today as the connection was really bad. Thought i had a faulty modem but it seems there is more going on here. I tested it again with 2 other spare modems and the same problem of the connection going down(lights changing from 4 to 3 to 2 then reverse ...repeatedly). I have changed cables(ethernet and phone) and am just testing them now.

Wow Graves disease is a hard one to deal with. I am not sure what has caused my Chronic condition. There is just too many things that went wrong in my younger days. I know I always had MCS as i remember the suffering i went through with petrochemicals/synthetic substances. I feel sorry for your friend! I had no idea that Graves disease could be from that.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#29
February 13, 2010 at 13:48:37
"Wow really your friend has faster internet than you"

We pay for an ADSL package that has only a 1.5mbitps max data rate. It was the only one available when I signed on - one slower, several much faster packages are now available for ADSL, even faster for a cable connection, but Alan's upgraded ADSL in Aus is faster than I've heard of or seen we can get in Canada anywhere, and faster than I've heard of for the US too, and as I recall, he pays no more than I do, or less.

"Thought i had a faulty modem but it seems there is more going on here. I tested it again with 2 other spare modems and the same problem of the connection going down(lights changing from 4 to 3 to 2 then reverse ...repeatedly). I have changed cables(ethernet and phone) and am just testing them now. "

Do you have a Dial-up or ADSL internet connection ?

My problem is the telephone line somewhere between where our house is and the nearest telephone exchange, where the other end of the ADSL connection is, frequently has too much line noise, and it's been that way on and off for years.
E.g. I saw some employee of the phone company fiddling with the many connections in the phone cable that runs on poles down the alley a couple summers ago. My interenet connection was as it's supposed to be for a couple months, until there was a ligtning storm in my area, and then it was not so good again. Sometimes temp changes cause it to get bad - we often get down to as much as -40 C at sometime during the Winter, and up to as much as 35 C in the summer. Sometimes rain, or snow or ice on the lines, causes it to get bad. The phone lines have probably not been replaced since they were installed, probably in 1959. A city power employee accidently broke the phone line between the house and the alley about 3 years ago - that was replaced with a new one, right into the house - no overall difference in the internet connection problem.

Lately, I have had to re-boot my modem as many as, say, a dozen times a day, to get a better connection. I don't mind it being limited to a 1.5mbitps max data rate, but it doesn't get there, too much of the time.

ADSL or DSL (or cable) modems typically don't automatically reset the connection to make it better after it has become poor - sometimes the led that indicates a ADSL OR DSL connection is there goes out when the connection is really poor or dead - but most often it's still lit up.
Reboot the modem (or router modem combo) = switch it off, switch it on
or
if it has no switch, unplug the small DC cord (by the plug, not the cord) at the modem, or unplug the AC plug to it or to it's power adapter , plug it back in.
- in either case, wait a short time until the leds on the modem indicate you have an internet connection (the ADSL or DSL led lights up; if the connection is really bad, or dead, it won't light up for a while; in my case there has been times it wouldn't light up until hours later).

If the connection is really bad, the ADSL or DSL led won't light up, try re-booting the modem again, because the modem may time out - e.g. my modem only tries to get the ADSL or DSL connection to work for a few minutes, then quits trying - if I left it as is, it may try again in a while and I haven't noticed, but I'd rather not wait that long. )

I have two modems, about a half dozen routers, I've tried different phone cables, network cables - it makes no difference which one I connect.

Sometimes if you pick up a phone on the same phone line as for the ADSL connection (we don't have separate ones) when you're having connection problems, you can audibly hear the line noise - however, apparently, it can be there but be beyond the range of us hearing it.

Apparently, I've been told that, if we get digital TV from the phone company, they run a new connection to each residence to support the enhanced need, and ADSL on that has no problems.
My Dad, who lives in the same house, it's his house, is a retiree of the predecessor to the same phone company, and if we get digital TV from them, we (he) get(s) a discount because he's a former employee.

It's either that or I switch to a cable internet package, but I would lose the use of my only present email address.

"Funny how i was so skeptical about the power of computers and the internet and now i can do without it."

I sometimes I think that I spend way too much time on the computer, and I should cut back a LOT, but I do like answering on this site.

I do not have a cell phone, or an MP3 player, or any of the many gadgets many people these days think are essential.

I hate seeing people driving while talking on their cell phones, and it seems a lot of them are not just answering it - they make call after call while I happen to be travelling behind them. Because of all the extra phone numbers needed to support cell phones in this province, since about a year? ago, we have had to add another area code, and all phone numbers now must be area code plus phone number.

My Dad (85 next Sept.) has an old cell phone on a minimal plan - he carries it with him when he's walking alone, just in case he falls and can't get up, or has a health problem, and needs to call home or 911 (our universal emergency number in North America). He rarely uses it except to make sure it works - he doesn't have it on unless he uses it.

Apparently, all cell phones here are supposed to be able to call 911 even if the cell phone plan is not active.


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#30
February 13, 2010 at 18:23:49
Gee I don't get anywhere near that speed but then again maybe i don't pay for the top speeds. I was told it wasn't worth paying anyway as you don't get what you pay for.

I have ADSL! Seems i have solved things. Optus told me ages ago that i had it all wired wrong. Why it started to play up now after 2.5 years i have no idea. Anyway i did it i think the way they wanted me to which is very annoying and now I am not getting that problem on the modem. Basically I had to have everything connected as close as possible to the phone connection(the modem and filter) and run a ethernet cable all the way down my long flat to the computer. Before i had a long telephone line into the room with the computer and then everything running from that point(modem/phone/filter). Trouble is the ethernet cable is blocking doorways and running across my kitchen so hopefully i am getting a longer cable soon so i can attach it to the walls.

We have had a lot of storms lately so that could have started something here.
Gee you have quite a few temperature obstacles there.

Yes that procedure is what optus tells me when something goes wrong with the modem. I had one modem die on me about 8 months ago that Optus gave me. Luckily i had a spare modem i found that is also a router. Now with this set up though i can't use the router as i would have to run a second long ethernet cable to my other pc. Maybe i will just find another router on it's own!

Yes i have noticed lately the phone noise is bad. I thought it was that it is a cordless phone and maybe it is dying but maybe it is what your saying. Hmmmmm will have to ring optus about that one.

Would be good to get that discount on digital tv for you and your Dad!

Yeah that is what i hate about changing isp's is the change of email but because my first email address was a webmail one and i understood what happens i maintained that as my primary account. The isp email address is only for Paypal, ebay and the isp sending whatever info and thats it. It is a pain doing things that way but easier if i am not at home therefore checking emails at a wifi hotspot. I know now you can log onto the isp's website usually and check your emails that way but as far as i know they didn't have that setup 10 years ago. Maybe i was not told about it.

Yes well your knowledge does help a lot of people! I am mainly into multimedia(making music) but because i spend too much time on hardware and learning Linux I haven't really spent much time doing what i set the computers up to do. I keep getting distracted by all the techie toys i find. Not just the stuff i put inside the pc's but i find pda's, mobile phones, camera's, set top boxes etc.

I didn't have any gadgets but i find many so i got into it. I found my first ipod about 2 years ago and it is still going. I am not into carrying it all the time but it is a good tool for if i have gigs as it stores my backing tracks plus all the music i never listen to at home can be stored on it. 15gig stores a lot. I have now found about 6 ipods and some other mp3 players in varying conditions. Some i fix, some need just a new battery and then i sell some on ebay.

Oh yes it is dangerous driving and talking on a cell. We finally made it against the law here a little while ago but many people still do it. Yeah we had to add extra numbers too but now they say that the amount of people that are getting rid of their landline is so much that in about 10 years no one will have landlines. I find that shocking because i prefer my landline. Is that my age?
Yes i am the same as your Dad when it comes to the cell phone. I am prone to accidents and i have told my friends i will not call them, they have jobs so they can call me. It is an emergency tool!!! They get silly with me sometimes about it.

Yes we have that emergency number thing happening on the cell phones here too. Here it is 000.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#31
February 13, 2010 at 23:30:19
"I was told it wasn't worth paying anyway as you don't get what you pay for."

The speed rating is a max speed rating.
See Response 2:
http://www.computing.net/answers/ha...

All network related things are rated in bits per second, not bytes per second like other computer related data. 8 bits per byte, about 2 bits per byte for error correction and other network overhead, results in you getting max about 1/10 of the rate of bits per second in bytes per second, unless data compression is used, which usually not the case.
So, e.g. a 100mbps network card has a max data transfer rate of about 10 megabytes per second, a 1.5mbps internet connection a max 150 kilobytes per second.
Our cheaper ADSL is 500mbps - max 50 kilobytes per second.

"Before i had a long telephone line into the room with the computer and then everything running from that point(modem/phone/filter)."

DO NOT use a long flat phone cable.
See response 7 in this:
http://www.computing.net/answers/wi...
Particularly the part starting
"If it's a lot longer than 6 feet / 2 meters or so, it's a good idea to connect a standard twisted pair telephone line...."

I've tried connecting the ADSL modem as close as possible to where it enters our house, running a long network cable to the computers or router. I came to the conclusion It doesn't make any difference if you have a noisy phone line. The connection still gets crappy when the phone line is picking up more noise. It's likely your line noise varies, the same as mine does.

"Yes i have noticed lately the phone noise is bad."
"Hmmmmm will have to ring optus about that one."

If Optus doesn't own the phone lines, they cannot help.
You have to contact whatever company owns the phone lines.
In my case, my ISP and my phone company are the same company.

"I know now you can log onto the isp's website usually and check your emails that way but as far as i know they didn't have that setup 10 years ago."

We had just gotten ADSL here about ten years ago, and high speed access via the cable TV company not long before that.
As far as I know none of the local dial-up ISPs had online email before that, but I think America on Line (the Canada version of it in our case) did, maybe other bigger providers, E.g. Prodigy, and the Netscape internet browser had it. If Microsoft had Hotmail then it was the earliest version - I have never used it.

"I find that shocking because i prefer my landline. Is that my age?"

I think at least the existing ones should be retained.

What many people may not know, at least here in North America, is that phone lines have an independant power system. They are backed up with 24 volt D.C. battery power here. If the AC power goes out, the telephone lines auto switch over to battery power, and that will last for, say, at least a day or two if the AC power does not come back on.

Sometimes cell phone transmitter/receivers also have battery backup, but often they do not.

E.g. when the 9 / 11 tragedy happened in New York, a lot of cell phone service was knocked out when the AC power went out (and partially because some on them were on the World Trade Center towers), but the phone lines still worked.
When the earthquake happened in Haiti, the phone line network died, probably because it was heavily physically damaged, most of the cell phone transmitters/receivers still worked, despite the fact the AC power was knocked out.


On the other hand, some places in the world could/can not afford to install extensive land lines. For those areas, they now have cell phone service in many areas where they had no phone lines at all previously. E.g. You see pictures on TV of African and Indian people who are very poor and are in remote areas but they do have a cell phone !


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#32
February 14, 2010 at 01:25:52
Yes I can't seem to maintain the information about the internet and speeds of such. Most people just say to me that we are not getting the advertised speed that the Australian isp's tell us we are paying for. I don't have the money to shop around for a faster connection. I am only shopping for more data usage.

That link was useful though and will use that as a reference as people often don't believe me that certain connection types are faster than others.

I got rid of the flat phone cable ages ago and have had a round one.
I don't get on the net with windows so none of that link is relevent to me.
Yep the cable was way more than 2 metres but it could not be helped. I have a long apartment and it did work all these years. I think i have been on the net for 8-10 years at home?

I just used the phone just now and it wasn't noisy so i don't know what is happening. Ah ok so your phone noise varies too. I thought it was my imagination. Some friends that i rang said they thought it was their cordless phone that was causing the problem.

Yep optus owns the lines! I used to be with Telstra and they used to own the line i had then . Now only two companies own lines in Australia as far as i know which is the two aforementioned.
Yep my isp and phone company are the same too as i got a package.

I only just went to adsl 2.5years ago so that all ties in.

I have been told that voip is very unreliable too and that is why i am unwilling to get rid of the landline. I don't know wether i can keep the same phone number and i like the reliability of landlines. Also the mobile hurts my head to talk on it. It is like having an iron pressed to the side of my head. I usually have a headache for a while after someone rings me. Now some friends are starting to get that they need to ring me at home if they want a long conversation.

Gee I think i did hear of that about the 9/11 tragedy in NY. Wow i didn't know that about Haiti. Sad!
Didn't know that about other remote parts of the world. My friend that is sending a whole lot of pc's over to Africa sometimes send cell phones in the mail to there but there is too much corruption in the postal system and most of them go missing. Same with camera's and a laptop one time. Even though it is hugely expensive he prefer DHL.

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#33
February 14, 2010 at 08:18:17
"I got rid of the flat phone cable ages ago and have had a round one."

You have to use specific wires in the round cable, otherwise it's not all that much better than a flat one. You use wires that are in twisted pairs in order to get the best result . E.g. red with no other color, and red with a white stripe on it. Wires that are twisted around each other cancel out any electric or electronic noise picked up by the individual wires much better. Network cables have twisted pairs of wires too - 4 pairs.

If your round cable does not have twisted pairs of wires - E.g. red with no other color, and red with a white stripe on it. - then you need to use one that does - that type is commonly what is used inside the walls to connect telephone wall connections together, and available where you can get electrical wire.
Either that, or peel back the sheath of the round cable to see if pairs of wires are physically twisted around one another - if they are, use only wires in a pair.
Cables that do not have pairs of wires twisted around each other are not meant to be used for long telephone cable lengths.
The cable coming into your residence that connects to the phone line always has twisted pairs of wires, all the way to the nearest phone exchange, or at the very least from where your individual phone line connects to the main phone line to the telephone exchange.

"I don't get on the net with windows so none of that link is relevent to me."

If you mean the one about buffering, all those things I mention have an effect on your internet speed regardless of the operating system you're using - other operating systems have TCP settings too, whatever they call them. And - support for Internet Explorer in Windows is not just for the the IE browser - whatever internet browser you use uses software that was installed along with IE, and the TCP settings in Windows, and the Connection settings in Internet Options (in Control Panel or in IE - Tools) affect all of them.

"I have been told that voip is very unreliable ..."

Whether you use that, or a similar voi program in your operating system for a land line connection, the reliability of it depends directly on the reliability of your internet connection. If your internet connection reliability is good, and if you pay for a package that has more than a certain minimum max speed, it works well.

In some areas, you can get internet service that connects to cell phone transmitters/receivers via your cell phone connection provider. e.g. one here is Rogers Rocket Mobile internet - you can use either a USB device, or a special standalone modem to connect to a computer or to a regular router and more than one stationary computer or a stationary computer and wireless connection ones if you need that. If you use the USB device with a laptop, you have truly mobile internet available - you can connect wherever the cell phone provider has a transmitters/receiver that's close enough for a good connection.

It sounds like your phone line noise problem coming to your residence is as bad or worse than mine is. You could try contacting Optus to see if you can get them to do something about that, but even if they do, in my experience, you will eventually have the same problem again.
If you can get a coax cable internet connection where you are instead, even if you get the cheapest package, you'll probably have a much more reliable connection.

Other than if we pay more, with a discount, for a digital TV connection from the phone company, the only thing that keeps me from signing on with a coax cable ISP (the same one that provides our cable analog TV, digital TV optional via a box we would have to pay for and more money) is I will lose the email address that I use.
I would have to contact everyone who I have email addresses for in Eudora that I still want to correspond with, and contact the software makers and web sites such asthis one who have my email address as a contact info or support or registration requirement, and tell them what my new email address is.

"Gee I think i did hear of that about the 9/11 tragedy in NY. Wow i didn't know that about Haiti. Sad!"

Were you hiding under rock? Do you not watch the news on TV, and you don't read newspapers?
Nearly everyone knows what that means when 9 /11 is mentioned, and the recent earthquake in Haiti was world wide news for at least two weeks, and there's still a trickle of info about it's aftermath even now. .


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#34
February 14, 2010 at 09:32:46
Oh ok I have no idea what is inside the phone cable. I just got told ages ago to track down a round one. Worked for ages until now. I have ditched that cable now anyway as i needed something shorter for the setup i have as of yesterday. Shorter flat cable that is new.
Will take a look at the inner cable some time when i have time.

I don't know much about how Linux does things like that that are similar to what you describe in windows. I know what you mean about windows but not what correlates in windows.
I have found it very hard with some distributions of Linux to even connect to the net so have stayed with safe Ubuntu. It is the one for us newbies lol.

Yeah I wish i knew someone in Australia that had voip. I don't know anyone. Most people here have cells and only oldies like me have landlines lol.

I know some people that use the net via their cells or pay for the internet for their laptops but it is way too expensive. Besides wireless on anything is insanely slow here so it would not entice me. I know many people that have those modems that are usb stick connected and they experience crap speeds worse than a standard wireless modem.

I have one friend that is with Unwired(wireless) and he was experiencing bad speeds until yesterday. He rang his isp and insisted and they connected him to a different tower now he said it is much faster. Maybe yes i have to complain to get better service! It is hard though as i don't have the original modem and they would know that.
I did look at the Optus site as a friend said he has optus cable but for some reason it is not available where i am. Odd because i am in the city and he is in the suburbs.

Cable TV is extremely expensive here and crappy. You bay $50AUD for 20 channels i think and they are s---. Nothing would even interest me. When i lived in the states in the 90's it was extremely cheap. We will never match that here.

Yes it is a problem to lose your email addy!

No I am a typical women without kids and a man in the house. Hate the news. No watching it on tv and no radio. No newspapers! I know about the events you mentioned...just whatever detail you said about it i didn't know. Forgot what it was now!

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#35
February 14, 2010 at 12:03:44
The connection here for internet via cell phone transmitters/receiver towers is about the same as I pay for ADSL at 1.5mbps. However, if someone also has a cell phone with that provider, the total charge can get high if they are dumb enough to get a cheap plan and go way over the max minutes allowed, same as the situation for any cell phone plan.
The USB device is free within a 2 year or longer contract, under $100 to buy without a contract. The standalone special modem is a one time fee of about $100, or you can rent it, the rent fee included with the monthly or whatever fee.

Yes, I prefer the speed and reliability of a wired network connection to a wireless one, especialy compared to wireless B and G, although wireless N sounds like it's much better situation.


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#36
February 15, 2010 at 05:30:38
Ah ok i don't know anyone with a connection via a cell....interesting!

Here they charge you for the usb stick modem which is usually around $129. I think these people are doing prepaid. I don't know anyone that has a contract with one of these things.

Ah there is wireless N. I didn't know that....thats the next step up eh!? I wonder what my little Eeepc has built in?

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#37
February 15, 2010 at 07:21:35
Generally, Wireless N is only built into some laptop / netbook models made in the last year or so, and cheaper new models still have wireless G ( B / G) built in, and if the model is older than 5 years or so it may not have wireless built in at all.

You could look up the specs for your model
http://eeepc.Asus.com


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#38
February 15, 2010 at 18:06:03
Ok will take a look later ...thanks for that! Busy day and the net is too slow!

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#39
March 14, 2010 at 00:14:41
Gee well things have gotten more complicated. I put in a Hercules game theater XP (http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/herculesgametheaterxp/)card and external unit and because i didn't have the right drivers and wasn't installed fully/correctly so i went back to soundonboard. Now i can record with the right port but the dam mic cable seems to be not working well. Distortion all the time. So i will have to replace it. I can hear my voice but mostly distortion.
The other problem is not i have a black and white picture when viewing in any software via the tv tuner card. That happened straight after i changed from the Hercules sound to soundonboard. Not sure what that is about?

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#40
March 14, 2010 at 09:35:03
"Distortion all the time."

Hercules Game Theater XP - made about 2001
It could be it's damaged - that's ~ 9 years ago.

Are you sure you have TV tuner card plugged into Line in and the mic plugged into the mic port? The expected impedences of the devices that plug into the two port types are different - a mic won't necessarily work properly in a Line in port, and visa versa for the TV tuner card sound output.

RIGHT click on the speaker icon in the taskbar - Open Volume Control - Options - Properties
Sometimes there's a mic boost selection in there somewhere - you may need to change the setting of that.

As I said previously....

DO NOT install a PCI card in the last PCI slot closest to the center of the mboard, unless it is a PCI video card. That PCI slot is forced to share it's IRQ with the video, and that is likely to cause problems , unless the card is a PCI video card !

Are you SURE you installed the software for the sound properly ??
Sound "drivers" are actually drivers plus associated programs(sound software is a better description).
You DO NOT install drivers for sound while booting - when Windows detects a generic sound device while booting, you allow it to search for drivers, it doesn't find any, and it wants you to show it the location of the drivers - CANCEL that, continue on to the desktop, and install the sound "drivers" using the proper installation from a CD or the proper installation file that you downloaded from the web.
......

"i didn't have the right drivers"

if you mean for the other sound card....

- if it has a FCC ID number on it, tell me what it is.

- if it has what might be (a) model number(s) printed on the card, tell me what it is (they are).

- there are only so many makers of sound chips - what brand and model is the main chip?

"i have a black and white picture when viewing in any software via the tv tuner card."

The only time I've seen that is when the source of the TV signal is not set properly in the TV tuner's software (or that's possible if you didn't install the TV tuner software properly).
Make sure the source - antenna, cable, analog, digital, etc. - is set properly in the TV tuner's settings.


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#41
March 14, 2010 at 20:41:53
The distortion issue is with the present microphone cable not the soundcard . I am using soundonboard now and not the Hercules soundcard/unit.
The guy that gave the the Hercules soundcard said it was only about 5 years old or maybe less. I can't quite remember as two people offered me better sound options. Someone offered me something similar but i have got it yet.
The guy said the Hercules thing was working but i don't have the driver cd so i don't know. Anyway it is not in the machine so it doesn't matter right now. I won't make another attempt until he finds the cd for it that also has it's software to go with it.
Yep did all the right line things. Checked and double checked!

The mic is not in the proper pink port where it should be.

Yep no mic boost in the sound thing this time round. I guess soundonboard is not as powerful?

The pci card is not on the closest slot to the MB. I only have one slot to play with right now and that is the same one i had the Ectiva card in.

The soundcards software automatically came back when i re-enabled soundonboard in the bios i noticed. I got into it's software and had a look around after the next boot.

When i said i didn't have the right driver i was talking about the Hercules card. I think i got it from the Hercules site and it didn't work so i will leave that for now. I don't want to spend anymore back breaking time on it. I will wait for the cd.

No nothing has changed with the tv tuner. What went wrong is straight after i went back to soundonboard. Nothing else happened. Anyway will check the cables that go from the tv to the card to make sure. Might see if i have other cables to test. I looked at the settings.....nothing there has changed or anything. I go directly to the tv because the unfortunate thing is in this building the outside antenna can't take digital tv. The owner of the building is a tight ass and won't fix it. We have fought them for years and i can't see it being done for a long time. Government housing is a pain.

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#42
March 15, 2010 at 11:24:54
"The guy that gave the the Hercules soundcard said it was only about 5 years old or maybe less."

According to the dates of reviews I found on the web, it first came out in 2001. I have no idea how long it was sold for after that. As far I know, the Hercules manufacturer is no longer in business and there is no web site; the Crystal sound chipset maker is certainly dead. It would be preferable if he can dig up the CD. If he can't, the same as I said before applies - if it has a FCC ID number on it, quote it; it has marking on the card that might be aspecific model number, quote them; there are only so many makers of sound chips - quote the markings you find on the major chip.

"The mic is not in the proper pink port where it should be."

Was that supposed to be

The mic IS in the proper pink port where it should be. ?

"...this building the outside antenna can't take digital tv...."

Your TV tuner card may be not be able to display a digital signal anyway, unless you used a digital box that has analog output ans connected that to the TV tuner card.

If you're certain you haven't changed any settings in the TV tuner's configuration, have you changed the way the cable is connected to it ?
You may get black and white video if the signal is too weak. Other than a poor connection at the end connectors on the cables (try other cables if you have them; usually the cable is fine - it's the end connectors that are the problem and you can easily replace them)....

I have found you often have to use a cable signal amplifier between the cable and TV tuner cards, especially when the computer is in a large building that may have a weak video signal where you connect to the cable - most TVs will auto amplify a weak signal, but most of, if not all, TV tuner cards can't do that.
If you're using an un-amplified cable splitter to connect the cable to two or more things, the signal strength is greatly reduced - e.g. halved for each output for a 1 to 2 splitter.

"The soundcards software automatically came back when i re-enabled soundonboard in the bios i noticed."

It is NOT A CARD if it's built in !
Windows 95 and up supports you installing the drivers, software for more than one sound adapter. You DO NOT have to disable the onboard sound in the bios when you install a sound card in a slot (unless you NEVER want to use the onboard sound), unless you have the rare case where the card you're using uses a similar chipset for the onboard sound made by the same manufacturer, in which case you MIGHT have a resources used conflict problem, but I doubt that.
However, Windows 95 and up can only use one sound adapter at time. If you have installed the drivers, software, for more than one sound adapter, or if Windows has done that for one or more sound adapters automatically, the adapter you or Windows installed the software for last becomes the default sound adapter that Windows uses. You usually DO NOT have to remove the sound card or remove it's drivers, software in order to use the onboard sound. If the drivers, software for the onboard sound have been installed, you simply go Control Panel - Classic View - Sounds and Audio Devices - Audio and change which sound adapter is the default one.


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#43
March 15, 2010 at 19:06:51
Oh that is odd because i have what seems to be a current website http://www.hercules.com/us/
OK it is not listed on their current site so ...ah well it is a legacy device and as you say older than the pc. Anyway i am not going to worry about it for now anyway.

Yep sorry extremely tired all the time being so ill and i mistype things especially when i am overwelmed. The mic is in the right port...pink one.

I do get digital tv but it has to be hooked up to the tv not the outside antenna. I have a digital set top box plugged into the tv.
I haven't changed anything....no cables nothing...
Haven't had time to check anything. Super busy! Oh i did check that the cables are plugged in right and they are.
Gee i have no idea what that amplifier is. I have no time to research that one....never heard of it. Not sure about the splitter your talking about either. Um that will have to wait til later too.


Yeah no I have the manufacturers cd of the machine in question and when i installed windows i installed all the drivers myself so the sound on boards software was in there. I dunno i had that ectiva soundard in there for a couple of years and was advised to disable sound on board to get it happening which it did. I have had several OS installs since i got that machine and it always worked with the bios soundonboard disabled. I realised when i looked yesterday there was the third option of auto but i never used that.
The first OS i had on that machine was win98 even though the machine was made for winxp. I didn't have any money for XP back then and i already had a win98 cd.....whatever i didn't have the ectiva card then so makes no difference what i just said he he.
Yeah I didn't remove the Ectiva cards software or anything after removing it.
Yep I have classic view in Control Panel and the soundonboard is listed there correctly!

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#44
March 16, 2010 at 12:25:07
"Oh that is odd because i have what seems to be a current website http://www.hercules.com/us/

OK, so I was wrong, the Hercules web sites still exist. I hadn't heard of or seen new Hercules anything for many years, so I assumed it was no longer in business. .

"OK it is not listed on their current site so ..."

The links are there to what you need.

Hercules Game Theater XP - first made about 2001

Technical support site
http://ts.hercules.com/eng/

Downloads:
http://ts.hercules.com/eng/index.ph...

There are 3 Game Theater models - XP, XP 6.1, XP 7.1

The full support for them appears to be there.
........

As for Ectiva card...

Ectiva 5.1

Creative ECTV5.1

Creative Ectiva 5.1

Creative Ectiva 5.1
http://kakaku.com/item/05601010230/

Ectiva Audio 5.1 Windows WDM Driver
Release notes and working drivers download (in English)
http://atashi.net/inu/en/notes/ecti...

Ectiva 5.1 Sound cards...
"Seems to be a cut down ver of an sb live series card (windows indentifies at as an sb live series card, for what thats worth)-installs and runs just fine with Windows WDM drivers-painless"
http://www.techspot.com/vb/all/wind...

Support and Service

http://support.creative.com/

http://www.theitdepot.com/details-C...

Live 5.1 drivers, software may work fine.
http://support.creative.com/Product...
........

"I have a digital set top box plugged into the tv."

How are you connecting the TV tuner card ? To an output on that box, or to an antenna, or to the TV cable directly ?
......

"Gee i have no idea what that amplifier is. I have no time to research that one....never heard of it. Not sure about the splitter your talking about either."

Most of the following info is for TV or satellite connections, but the same applies to coax cable modems, your TV tuner card connection, etc.

Coax cable splitters -

http://www.cabletvamps.com/splitter...
http://www.cabletvamps.com/splitter...

Coax cable amplifiers -

http://www.cabletvamps.com/educatio...
Mentions cheap amplifiers and puts them down but I find they work fine for TV tuner cards

http://www.cabletvamps.com/drop%20a...

http://www.cable-amplifiers.com/dro...
.......

"I dunno i had that ectiva soundard in there for a couple of years and was advised to disable sound on board to get it happening which it did."

If the ectiva card worked fine at any time before you disabled the onboard sound, then you didn't need to disable it.

There is all sorts of mis-information out there but that doesn't make it right. e.g. Many tell to flash the bios when that won't help at all.

""Yeah I didn't remove the Ectiva cards software or anything after removing it."

It would be a good idea to remove that before you install the
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#45
March 16, 2010 at 19:20:46
Yep that is where i downloaded the driver for the Hercules but i presumed it was the first one because on the front of the external unit it just says XP....no 6.1 or whatever. On the card it says Game theater XP FC CE 460 5058492. I know you asked for the FC number before. Sorry I am so swamped at the moment and my place is a mess.

Yeah I have the original cd for the Ectiva and i know there are updates for drivers sometimes but i won't bother with that one because of time.

The set top box is plugged into the TV and the tuner card is plugged into the TV. Because the TV tuner is analogue and not digital i can't use it that way. I use the AV cables from the tuner to the TV and the choice in the program is composite so tv or antenna. If I am making sense. I worked out to do it this way because of the tuner being analogue. I did this with the two previous tv tuners that i had in the computer because also the antenna via the wall is faulty. I had to sort of build my own to go out side the front of my building. It is an odd way to go but it has worked thus far.

No maybe i am not clear. The soundonboard has always been disabled while in the computer. Worked fine until....now i don't remember. Too swamped.

Oh yes the amplifier i think that is the thing that is connected to the antenna....yep that looks like it. I have it disconnected few about a month as ....well i can't remember. The friend that helped me put the whole digital TV thing together advised again for me to do so as he said they are no good for digital it came with the outdoor /indoor antenna that my neighbour bought for me. I don't use the antenna as it is crap but i used the amplifier with a spiral t anternna that i have hooked up. So complicated this whole thing but it works. This area is extremely hard to get digital TV signal as i am in a gully and right against the city with a lot of tall buildings.

Is it worth putting in the Hercules thing if it is so old? Are the 6.1 or whatever models more up to date?

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#46
March 16, 2010 at 21:38:12
"On the card it says Game theater XP FC CE 460 5058492."

I asked for the FCC ID number, not that.
I don't know if I can look up anything with that.
Cards made for use in the US or Canada have that on it - cards made for use elswhere may not. FCC = the US government's Federal Communications Commission, or similar. We a have similar standrards organization in Canada, but if it's FCC approved it can be used in Canada, no problem.

The 5.1 in Ectiva 5.1 probably means 5.1 sound - you can connect up to six speakers on 6 channels - right and left front, right and left rear, center (mono), and the 1 is bass (mono) . The original Game theater XP has 5.1 sound.
6.1 sound is probably right and left front, right and left rear, right and left center, and the 1 is bass (mono)
7.1 sound ?

"Is it worth putting in the Hercules thing if it is so old?"

It's probably about the same age as the Ectiva one.
It's up to you - it doesn't matter much if you're only connecting a pair of speakers, or if they're tiny speakers, anyway - a newer sound adapter chipset would probably sound better when connected to a home theatre system, if you have one.

You're hooking up the TV Tuner card an oddball way - the coax connector on the TV is meant to be an input, not an output - all jacks / connectors on TVs I've seen are for inputs, except possibly audio outputs, unless it has two coax connectors, which I've never seen.
Most digital TV boxes have a coax analog output - doesn't yours ?
If it does have an analog output, I would connect a coax cable from that to either a cable splitter or a cable amplifier, and have two coax cables from that - one to the TV, one to the TV tuner. You MAY need to use a cable amplifier as well as the one you already have so you have a strong enough signal to the TV tuner - the TV can probably make do with a weaker signal and amplify it, the TV tuner card probably can't.
Are you sure it's an amplifier ? - it isn't if it doesn't plug into AC power.
We use analog in Canada, rather than analogue, which is odd for us, because we use a ue in other words the Americans don't use a ue in - maybe because we use the American designed TV standard ?


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#47
March 17, 2010 at 07:58:24
OH I thought the FCC is in that number. It has been years since i have seen the FCC symbol and i thought that was it. See how it says FC CE........................?
That is on the soundcard.
I just had a look at the external unit and there is nothing on there. Just on the front it says Game Theater XP Hercules.

Hmmmmm ok sorry about that.

OH i was wondering what all the 5.1 business etc meant. Thanks. I don't have that many speakers so no big deal for me.
I don't have a home theater system. Just into audio production and video a little. I will edit videos on my linux machine though. More powerful machine and programs.

No i haven't got the coax cable connected to the tv from the tuner card. It is the rca video/audio cables.

The amplifier thing i just had a look at and it is powered but i haven't got the power plugged in. I don't know i haven't used the power in ages. It is plugged into the set top box and a coax cable goes to the tv. We use Pal here if that makes any difference? I don't know much about that stuff.

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#48
March 17, 2010 at 08:23:55
OK I know it has taken my brain a while but the thing you mentioned before about what slot the soundcard should go in. You said something about it not being too close to the first slot or something? I better mention the order of the slots and what is in them and maybe that will lead to something. First slot is AGP and that has the Nvidia video card, second slot is a pci and that is a usb hub 4 port card, then spare pci slot that had the soundcard, then pci tv tuner card. Thats it. No more slots left.

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#49
March 17, 2010 at 14:03:44
From response 3:

"By the way, DO NOT install a PCI card in the last PCI slot closest to the center of the mboard, unless it is a PCI video card. That PCI slot is forced to share it's IRQ with the video, and that is likely to cause problems , unless the card is a PCI video card !"

Not only are you likely to have problems with other than a PCI video card when it's in the first PCI slot next to the AGP slot, but you MAY have problems with other cards in the other PCI slots as well !

- If you're not going use a sound card, move the USB card to the second PCI slot !.

- if you ARE going to use a sound card, do you actually need the USB card ? If you don't, remove it !

Your P4P800-E mboard model, apparently (I HATE the Asus web sites on my 98SE computer ! ) has 4 built in USB ports and two USB headers for two ports each, one of which you may have connected to two front ports on the case, for a total of 8 possible USB ports.

I've never used more than 3 or 4 USB ports at a time !

If you need all 8 ports, if you have at least one spare USB header, use a USB wiring adapter / plate with USB ports in it that installs in a slot space. The Asus USB headers are compatible with common wiring pattern one piece female connectors (double row, 10 pin positions, one pin hole is blocked on a corner) or with 2 - 4 or 5 in a row common wiring pattern female connectors.

"usb hub 4 port card"

If it's USB 2.0, it's NOT a Hub - only - card - it's a USB 2.0 Controller card that has 4 ports on it !
It functions as both two pairs of USB 1.1 ports, and as a single USB 2.0 controller with 4 ports.
Once upon a time you could get USB 1.x Hub - only - cards, but the USB ports in Hub - only - cards DO NOT work work with all USB devices, and the manufacturers of them probably got a lot of complaints about them, so, as far as I know, no one makes a USB 2.0 Hub - only - card - they're all Controller cards as far as I've seen.
You DO still see Hub - only - situations for some things, such as for some accessory panels that install in a desktop drive bay that have USB ports in them (they may also have other ports, and/or memory card reader ports) - USB ports in those also DO NOT work with all USB devices.


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#50
March 17, 2010 at 19:18:23
Ah I knew there was something i didn't get round to checking and that is the pci slot thing. Thanks about that.
Um I do use the usb card and it is not a P4800-E motherboard. It is a K7M4 and the CPU is a AMD Athlon XP 2000. I tried to change the damn thing here but it didn't stick. I have two desktop machines and the P4800-E model is my linux machine i am using now. I use the card for my webcam and maybe the scanner.
I do have 4 onboard usb ports at the back and two at the front but i always get the message they are usb 1.1 and they are supposed to be some usb 1.1 and some usb 2 as far as i know but for some reason that is not the case. I tried to solve this many times years ago and go nowhere. I reinstalled whatever and go whatever and never changed. The front usb ports also seem to work when they want to. Sometimes they refuse and there is nothing i can do about it. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with a new install of the OS or the drivers. The usb card works everytime but the first two usb devices which is the mouse and i can't remember what peripheral are in the back onboard usb ports and they work fine as they probably only require usb 1.1 anyway.
Yes thats right it is a controller usb card!
I do have a couple of usb external hubs but i get that stupid error about the device may not work because the port is usb 1.1. Sometimes it does anyway and sometimes not and i understand why. The error is there regardless of what the device requires. So with the extra usb card i get no errors and it works!

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#51
March 18, 2010 at 08:04:40
PLEASE supply the correct info !!
When the mboard or brand system info is incorrect in the blue bar in your first post, you should always state which mboard or brand name system model you are using in the body of your first post, or at least mention it when you're talking about problems with your mboard !

I'm assuming you haven't made a typo and you have an Asrock K7M4.
http://www.asrock.com/MB/overview.a...

All the USB ports on your mboard are USB 2.0, backward compatible with USB 1.1 standards.
If the USB drivers are all installed correctly, both USB 1.1 controllers and the USB 2.0 controller(s) are recognized in the operating system as devices built in to the USB 2.0 controller(s).

All Windows operating systems Win 98 or later automatically install USB 1.x generic drivers when you install the operating system if the mboard has any USB controllers built into the main chipset. For Win 95 OSR2 and the later versions of Win 95, you have to do an additional thing to have Win 95 support them. Win 95 versions earlier than OSR2 cannot support USB, Win 95 ORS2 and later versions of Win 95 cannot recognize a USB 1.x controller card if the mboard has no built in USB controllers, and as far as I know, Win 95 ORS2 and later versions of Win 95 cannot recognize USB 2.0 controllers, but they should recognize the USB 1.1 support built into the 2.0 controllers .

Win ME and previous back to Win 98 have no built in support for recognizing or providing drivers for USB 2.0 controllers built into the main chipset and you can't normally add that support. However, I have discovered there are third party generic USB 2.0 drivers that were developed relatively recently by a guy that MAY support recognizng them when they're built into the main chipset for Win 98 an 98SE, if you load the 3.x version of his drivers.
Win98SE
http://www.technical-assistance.co....
Win98 original, modified from the 98SE version.
http://www.technical-assistance.co....
....

In order for 2000 and later to recognize USB 2.0 controllers built into the main chipset....

- the operating system must be a new enough version to recognize USB 2.0 controllers built into the main chipset.
What is required for 2000 is, I believe, SP4 or later updates must be installed in Windows, or they must be included in the contents of the CD you use for installing Windows. What is required for XP is SP1 or later updates must be installed in Windows, or they must be included in the contents of the CD you use for installing Windows.

- you must install the main chipset drivers for the mboard, if the operating system was first released before USB 2.0 controllers were first available, which was well after XP was first released. The operating system cannot find the USB 2.0 controllers built into the main chipset until you do that, at least that applies for sure for Windows versions previous to Vista and Windows 7.

In the case of your mboard, you must load the Via 4-in-1 main chipset drivers, a.k.a. the Hyperion drivers, that are available from the Asrock web site....

http://www.asrock.com/MB/download.a...

or you can get them from the Via web site, but there's no advantage to you of loading newer main chipset drivers in this case than the Asrock site has for your older Via main chipset:
http://www.viaarena.com
.......

The reason the USB 2.0 card you installed works fine? You must have installed the drivers for it.

For USB 2.0 controller cards you install in slots, you must install USB 2.0 drivers for the USB chipset on the card, at least, you certainly do for Win 98 to and inc. XP. The USB 1.1 support of the USB 2.0 chipset is auto detected by the operating system. When USB 2.0 controller cards first came out, they came with drivers for Win 98, 98SE, and ME, but as time has gone by, they rarely come with Win 98 drivers, and often don't come with Win 98SE drivers either, although some manufacturers may have Win 98SE drivers available on their web site. The 3.x versions of the generic USB 2.0 drivers I mentioned above can usually be a solution for Win 98 or 98SE regarding that. Win 98SE drivers usually work fine in ME, and may be specified as Win 98SE/ME drivers; Win ME USB drivers usually work fine in 98SE.
......

"...stupid error about the device may not work because the port is usb 1.1"

That's NOT an error message - it's a "nag" message !
If you do NOT have USB 2.0 controller drivers loaded in the operating system, and if the device you have plugged in was designed to work better if it is plugged into a USB port that supports USB 2.0, you often get a "nag" message in Win XP and later (and probably in 2000 ?) along the lines of "This device will work better if you have it plugged into a USB port that supports USB 2.0" or similar. You also get that message if the USB ports cannot support USB 2.0.
I have never encountered any device that works better with USB 2.0 support that will not work if it has only USB 1.x support available in the operating system - it works, but the maximum data transfer rate is much less. E.g. an external hard drive is perceptively, painfully MUCH slower.
......

Regarding your problem with devices plugged into the front USB ports.
The reliability of USB 2.0 support when you connect to a USB port that is connected by wiring to a USB header depends directly on whether the wiring can support the USB 2.0 requirements. If the wiring can't do that, USB 1.x devices often work fine, but at least some USB 2.0 devices will NOT work fine.

I looked at the manual for your mboard. The single USB header on the mboard has the same uses for the pins situation as the Asus USB headers. The same types of common wiring pattern adapters / plates with ports / female wiring connectors that work for the Asus mboards will work with the USB header on your mboard. You could install one of those and have 6 ports at the back for the mboard itself instead of 4. Or if you're handy with a soldering iron, and pay attention to what you doing, you could remove the existing computer case wiring to the front ports and replace it with wiring from any USB 2.0 rated USB cable (it usually has braided wire shielding around all the wires inside the cable for each port, and the individual wires have at least a minimum diameter - wire gauge [the lower the gauge number, the fatter the wire] - required for USB 2.0 connections). The female wiring connectors at the mboard end you could either re-use by leaving a short length of wire at each position when you cut off the wiring and soldering the new wiring to those, or you can get new standard female connectors from local places that have lots of electronic parts, although you would have to block a pin hole in one corner of a double row ten position connector if you want it so it can only be installed the right way on the header.

Regarding problems you may have when you plug something into an external hub.
USB ports in hubs that connect to only one USB port on the computer WILL NOT WORK with a lot of USB devices, even when the hub is "powered" (has a separate external AC to DC power adapter plugged into it). They never have, and they never will !

Some frequent references of mine......

USB devices may not work correctly when they're connected to certain USB ports e.g. ports in a hub or on the front of a desktop case. If you have a desktop computer, you may have an IRQ sharing problem you need to fix, or your power supply may be starting to fail.
See response 3 in this:
http://www.computing.net/answers/wi...

Also - if you are using a USB extension cable, some of them have inadequate wiring and will not work properly with some USB devices.
.....

In addition, all external hard drives connected by USB require that the port (or ports) they connect to can actually supply 500ma of current.

Similar applies to external USB optical drives.

USB external hard drive requirements.

See Response 9:
http://www.computing.net/answers/ha...
......

The flash drive (or external drive, or memory card reader) must be plugged into a port it will actually work in.

How to tell if the flash drive (or external drive, or memory card reader) is properly recognized as a hardware device, even if you can't access it's data.
Programs you can try to recover your data, if that's okay.

The most frequent reason people can no longer access the data on a USB flash drive, USB External drive, or a memory card on a computer

See Response 2:
http://www.computing.net/answers/ha...



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#52
March 18, 2010 at 08:55:18
Yes i know i tried to change it straight way....somewhere in here i talk about that i am sure. I did change it in the beginning but it just didn't stick.
Well SIW the program i use to ID computers stuff just said K7M4 but yeah that sounds right ...Asrock i mean. I just typed what i was given. Yeah I have no idea about the usb situation. I tried and tried and tried and got nowhere. It did my head in so i left it. I have the drivers on the original cd and that has all been done.
I can't remember when i did whatever with the usb card. Too long ago. Sorry!
I think it even says on the box for the motherboard(yes i do have it and the paper manual) that the machine has usb 2.

That is a good way to put that message. It is a nag!!!! lol

Ah that is interesting to note about hubs that plug into one usb port!

I replaced the power supply twice since i had this machine. Got a much more powerful one and it is very good. I think i started out with a 300w and now it is 600w? Much more efficient now.

I only have an extension cable with the usb webcam as it has to monitor outside and that is so far from the machine. Seems to work ok though. Well there is a problem with software and i have posted about it in the security section of this forum.

No usb external hard drives connected. Don't have any right now. Always found them to be very problematic.

No USB external optical drives either.

Yeah when i use flash drives i have to go from one usb port to another sometimes. Sometimes the first one behaves and sometimes not. I don't transfer a lot of files so months can pass before i use the spare usb ports.

Yep I always so the safely remove thing in windows and there is a Linux procedure depending on the distro used. Amazing how many people don't do it!

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#53
March 18, 2010 at 10:09:24
I just realized something.
I said in my last post...
"I'm assuming you haven't made a typo and you have an Asrock K7M4."

When I search using Asrock K7M4 , or K7M4 motherboard, I get only a few "hits", but some "hits" mention it has the Via KM400 main chipset.

When I search using Asrock K7VM4, note the V, I get 11 PAGES of "hits".

There is no K7M4 mboard model listed on the Asrock site ! I was not paying attention last night - I was tired - and I chose the closest thing listed on the Asrock web site - the K7VM4 model !

The K7VM4 uses the same KM400 main chipset, so I strongly suspect ALL of the few "hits" I got when I searched using Asrock K7M4 or K7M4 motherboard that mention K7M4 made typos, the model was supposed to be K7VM4, AND you DID make a typo too, or you were mistaken.

Is this your mboard ?? :
http://www.asrock.com/MB/overview.a...

Note the obvious large text printed on the mboard - Asrock, and K7VM4 !!

"I replaced the power supply twice since i had this machine. Got a much more powerful one and it is very good. I think i started out with a 300w and now it is 600w? Much more efficient now."

If the power supply can handle the current (amperage) requirements of the system adequately, if it has at least the minimum capacity the system requires, having a greater power supply capacity will NOT make system more efficient !

Your system will be fine with that mboard with a 300 watt or even a 250 watt power supply, if you use a meagre video card that requires minimal power .

Otherwise,

Your power supply must have at least the minumum capacity required to support a system with the graphics card you are using installed, or the max graphics card you might install in the future.
(Onboard video - video built into the mboard - IS NOT A CARD ! )
If that info is not in the ad for the video card, you can go to the video card maker's web site and look up the specs for the model - often under system requirements - the minimum PS wattage, and, more important, the minimum amperage the PS must supply at 12v is stated. If you don't find that, any card with the same video chipset including any letters after the model number has very similar minimum PS requirements. Some power supplies have two or more +12v ratings - in that case, add those ratings to determine the total +12v current capacity.

If you're a gamer....
In most if not all cases, the max capacity rating of the PS is an intermittant rating. It's recommended that you do not load your PS to any more that 80% of that rating if you are going to be using something that puts a constant load on it, such as playing a recent game for hours on end. In that case, you multiply the min capacity stated for the system with the particular video chipset on the card by 1.25 to find the min. capacity of the PS you should get.

Don't buy an el-cheapo PS.
See response 3 in this:
http://www.computing.net/answers/ha...

In any case, you don't need a 600 watt power supply to support any current video chipset with this mboard, since you have only one graphics slot, unless you install a high end one that has two video chipsets on one card (I don't think there is any such AGP card).


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#54
March 18, 2010 at 18:42:57
Maybe SIW reported the wrong thing. I am looking at the box now and yes you got the model right.

Well they don't sell the 300W power supplys now so i had to get the 600W one. The machine is quiter and the fan seems to be better in it than the previous power supply.

I have a Nvidia agp video card. Nup not into gaming!

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#55
March 18, 2010 at 20:14:42
"I am looking at the box now and yes you got the model right."

Hooray ! I won't to have to look up yet another mboard.

You can easily get 4xx watt power supplies.

I don't play games anymore. I used to spend a lot of time playing the later Dos games, when they were far better than Windows games, but no more.


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#56
March 19, 2010 at 09:20:37
Yeah I was in a hurry and was easier to boot up that computer and run SIW than dig for the box amongst my mess.

Cool yeah the PS is working very well!

Yeah I used to place Galaga and some other later Dos games too but these hardcore ones don't interest me. I do have Galaga and Emilia Pinball on my Linux box but they don't take much to run. Very simple games and good when my brain has flatlined he he.

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#57
March 20, 2010 at 07:38:34
In most cases simply examining the top surface of the desktop mboard will reveal at least the model, if not the that and the maker too. SIW merely interprets information that's already there in the operating system.

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#58
March 21, 2010 at 01:10:49
Yeah, no to drag the box out of the corner and open it up everytime is too hard on my back.
Geez i captured some video via the tuner card today and the sound is bad. Garballed. I listened to some other sound/video files and they were ok so it is just that capture. Will have to sort that out now. I can't seem to keep up with the problems. Too busy!

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#59
March 21, 2010 at 10:57:30
For reasons I don't understand, your Response 58 is garbled in Netscape 9.0.0.6 but not in IE 6 SP2 in 98SE, and not in IE 8 on my XP computer.
The blue title bar repeated over and over again.

"Yeah, no to drag the box out of the corner and open it up everytime is too hard on my back."

I have an iffy back too. I'm a journeyman carpenter but have quit doing that except for occaisional jobs for friends and relatives because of my back problems. I have been going to the chiropractor once a week for years - that makes it managable. There have been times I've had to use a cane for a while.

The model and possibly the make may be in System Information on the right on the first screen you see.
(shortcut - Start - Run - type: msinfo32 ).
SIW gets most of it's info from places where you can also find it if you knew where to look, and/or from the registry; it reads info found in the bios, and it reads info found on the tiny SPD chip on the memory modules.

XP MCE's Media Center TV tuner support nags if the location of where the capture is stored is FAT32 rather than NTFS. Is the location it's stored in your case NTFS or FAT32 ?
Check the settings in the TV tuner's configuration settings - you may also have a sound source setting for capture set wrong.


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#60
March 21, 2010 at 19:50:49
Oh that is odd about the browser issue.

Gee it is a bummer having a bad back so you know what i am going through. I was trained in pilates many years back and when i was able to walk again after many years of being bedridden it has been slow progress to now. Now i am doing physio and pilates and i am making progress on all fronts but it is just making it manageable right now. I hope that it will get to what it was when i did pilates 25 years ago as prior to that it was the worst. Scoliosis and two disks too close together in another place in my back.

Oh ok I will remember to use msinfo32 rather than siw. I think it was you telling me about msinfo32 otherwise i didn't know about it before. Thanks!

Are you asking if my machine is set up with NTFS? It is. I don't know much about what FAT32 is really. I think i know but not clear on it.
Yeah I checked all the settings.

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#61
March 23, 2010 at 18:56:52
OK well someone else gave me a Sound Blaster Live 5.1 SB0060 card so i have put that in and took the usb card out.It comes with the LIVE DRIVE IR that sits in a area above my dvd drive. The soundcard install fine but now every second boot the system doesn't see the card plus the system freezes shortly after things load in the systray or nearly everything has loaded. Gee now the last two boots i am not given the sound. I got to control panel> sound and there is no soundcard listed. Could there be something wrong with that pci slot? Maybe that is why i am getting no where?
So i can't use the pci slot closest to the agp video card?

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#62
March 24, 2010 at 07:30:40
"So i can't use the pci slot closest to the agp video card?"

There's probably nothing wrong with that PCI slot !
You're likely to have problems with any card in that slot unless it is a PCI video card ! The symptoms vary depending on the card. Sound cards in particular DO NOT get along with another device using the same IRQ.

See Response 49 !
Remove the USB card, and don't use that PCI slot!

See Response 51 to get the USB 2.0 support working for the built in USB ports !
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Side notes....

A guy posted here the other day - he installed a USB 2.0 card in that slot - his mboard is older and has only USB 1.1 - and from then on got error messages from his onboard video !

Your back problems are a lot more severe than mine. I apparently have spondylitis (spelling ?) - bony growths on the spine that occasionally pinch a nerve, low down in my back, and overall I've lot some disk thickness - I'm about 1 1/4" shorter than I was when younger. I'll be 59 in August.


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#63
March 24, 2010 at 07:46:44
Today i uninstalled the tv tuners software and reinstalled it. I rebooted and reinstalled. Rebooted and opened Lifeview and the picture was still black and white. I noticed that the desktop in the background was changed and i noticed that before. How far back i don't know. The recyclebin icons pixels had reduced as did the other icons. Only while lifeview is open. I closed and wanted to see if i could record with a mic. I opened the volume control to select microphone. I put the microphone in the port and was going to change to mic in the record control but then windows froze.
I rebooted and got sound this time. Went into sound in control panel and chose what i needed before using the mic and this time it worked. Then i went into the sound stuff and chose line-in and opened lifeview but got no sound. I went into the sound again and changed things then rebooted...well it didn't reboot but tried to ....went out and then went black like the video card is playing up? The light was on on the front of the pc that means it is on. Didn't listen for hard drive noise or anything. Things going faster than i can type. I shutdown via the power button then booted back up. Sound on.
Went into msconfig and stopped a lot of things running in the systray like avg and superantispyware. I don't know why but there is no manual way to close avg in this latest freeware version. As i don't use it unless i am on the net or i introduce a thumb drive or software from somewhere else i thought this was best. Also with superantispyware. I don't get on the net with that machine unless i have to!
Rebooted and tried flyvideo. Got sound and recorded ok but still in black and white. Stuck the mic in and the system froze again. Pressed the power button then rebooted.
This time i tested the mic after changing to microphone in the sound properties recording section.
Seems like this is the wisest way to go to do a reboot after a different type of recording. Without doing this a few more times which is exhausting because i have to use my back to put the mic in i think this might be it......
but the black and white in lifeview flyvideo program is a mystery yet. I have been doing some googling but no results yet.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#64
March 24, 2010 at 08:25:17
Oops you must have replied when i posted the above response ....ok yes i did remove the usb card in the previous post.
Will keep slot number 2 which is the first pci slot vacant then!
OK have downloaded the 4-in-1 thing so I am scanning then installing now.

Oh thanks for the info about the other guy.

OK have rebooted. Sound working. Now lets see if i get that damn usb 2 thing happening again. Oh wow!!!!! OK at first no error on the front usb slot then it decided it wasn't going to load the usb thumb drive. Then i tried the 2nd front slot and the error is there but it is opening and functioning. Letting me view what is on the thumb drive.....OK i only have one usb port left on the back and i got that usb error anyway. Bummer!

I have heard of that back condition and that one is no fun either. Gee your that much shorter ....damn!
Yeah as long as i do the pilates exercises i am good....well restricted unless i am athlete level then i get like a super woman but ain't about to happen again with the other Chronic illness.....ah well. I just turned 47 last week.
Which reminds me it is time to do my workout and walk away from the pc's!!!! lol

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#65
March 28, 2010 at 20:22:12
Well this is odd I have colour back in the software Flyvideo and showbiz.
I then opened Audacity to test the mic and as soon as i plugged in the mic the system froze. So i had to power off.
OK it seems that i have to do a reboot with each type of recording as i mentioned above. I hope the whole thing continues to work ....fingers crossed.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#66
March 28, 2010 at 21:22:36
Did you remove any PCI cards from that last problem slot?
If you still have a card in it, quit doing that and remove it !!

Regarding the USB 2.0 support of the mboard.

Un-install all Unknown or flagged as having a problem USB device entries in Device Manager, reboot. They should go away.

If that doesn't help....

You may have an IRQ sharing problem you need to fix, and if you do have that, and you fix it, you will need to reload the USB stack.
See response 3 in this:
http://www.computing.net/answers/wi...


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#67
March 29, 2010 at 02:34:32
Ahhhh do you mean me removing the usb card? Was it a problem slot? Anyway yes it was removed a post of two ago so i know that is not what solved the colour thing or anything.

Now flagged things in device manager or do you mean those little yellow question marks or explanation points? None there anyway ...never was.

I installed ccleaner last week and have used it as recently as yesterday. Maybe it took a few goes of that and that is what fixed the colour issue? The usb issue i don't know.

I was going to take everything out and start to put everything back in one by one with it's software but don't haveo do that now as the colour has returned in the capturing programs.

Have uninstalled whatever programs and used the ccleaner after each time.

I ma not sure about what you said in this part:- ports directly connected to the mboard, or ports in a USB controller card in a slot, or ports in adapter plates at the end of slots that connect to individual ports on USB headers on the mboard, are the most reliable ports to use.

I ignore the front usb ports most of the time as they are too unreliable. Interesting that you say they are ok for mouse/keyboard. I have a usb mouse so maybe i should switch to the front and have an extra spare port at the back then.

How do i find System information? It sounds familiar but.....

My kb is ps/2

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#68
March 29, 2010 at 08:04:50
"Was it a problem slot? "

As I have told you several times, any card, except a PCI video card, is likely not to work properly in that slot. Most things DO NOT get along with the video using the same IRQ as the card uses, and visa versa. When a card is in that slot, it is forced to use the same IRQ as the video, whether it is onboard video, or video on a card in a dedicated AGP or PCI-E X16 video slot. .

"Now flagged things in device manager or do you mean those little yellow question marks or explanation points? None there anyway ...never was."

If that's now the case then your mboard's USB 2.0 support should be working fine, and you should NOT be getting those "nag" messages, at least for the ports on the back of that case that are physical ports built into the mboard.

There must have been at least one of those previously, unless you have disabled USB 2.0 support in the bios Setup.
When your USB 2.0 support is not working you have at least one such flagged USB related device in Device Manager - at least that's the case when your XP installation has at least SP1 updates loaded in it.

You should have an entry under USB controllers in Device Manager that is some kind of Enhanced USB controller if the USB 2.0 support has been loaded. If you don't see that, look in your bios Setup settings - your USB 2.0 support is enabled there by default, but you must have disabled USB 2.0 support there.

"ports directly connected to the mboard, or ports in a USB controller card in a slot"

= USB ports that are physically built into the mboard, and/or into the card in the slot.

"or ports in adapter plates at the end of slots that connect to individual ports on USB headers on the mboard,"

= an added on properly made USB 2.0 capable USB wiring adapter - the wiring is two (or 4) cables (one for each USB port in the plate), usually with obvious braided wire shielding around the individual wires inside the cable, that have a single double row, or two single row (or 2 double row, or 4 single row) female connectors on the ends of the cables that plug into the two port USB header (or headers) pins on the mboard - the USB ports are in a metal plate that installs in a spare card slot space on the computer case such that the ports are available externally - there are 2 (or 4) USB ports in the plate.

"I ignore the front usb ports most of the time as they are too unreliable."

As I have pointed out, sometimes the case wiring to the front USB ports cannot handle USB 2.0 requirements - either because it's an old case made before USB 2.0 was available, or it's a newer el-cheapo case.

Regarding the Registry, CCleaner and similar programs remove(s) useless entries in the Registry, some of which are left behind after a program has been un-installed. Your registry and Windows may work a tiny bit better after such a program has been used, but it/they make no difference otherwise, and using CCleaner probably has nothing to do with you now getting color when you weren't before.

The other things that CCleaner removes by default are mostly things paranoid people would want to get rid of so that others who access the computer would have little personal info to find about the user's use of the computer, especially on the internet. If you're the only one using the computer, there is no need for that.

"How do i find System information?"

It always here in Win 95 and up:

Programs, or All Programs - Accessories - System Tools - System Information

shortcut
Run - type: msinfo32


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#69
March 29, 2010 at 08:40:26
Oh ok i interpreted that it was damaged when the word problem was used!

Nope never had those error things in device manager. I know about them so would notice. I always check there when things go wrong. I haven't completed the other things so no there is no usb 2. happening yet!
Ok in device manager under Universal serial bus controller there is:
PCI Class 2.0 enhanced host controller
USB 2.0 root hub device

Actually i just realised there are two of the same headings....universal serial bus controllers....why is that?

In the bios advaned tab USB controller says Enabled and so does USB Device legacy support Enabled also. No other mention of USB anything in the bios.

OK the second thing where your talking about the type of ports. That is what i don't understand. I don't know what a metal plate is specific to this or ....well i can't get an example in my head!

The case and everything was built together. I bought the machine new some years back. The case has not been changed/updated.
Most things that have been done to this machine i did. I think i got my uncle who has a computer repair shop to look at it twice some years back. He replaced the psu once and put in the Ectiva soundcard that is not there now. Oh yes and there was that time not long after the warranty ran out that he redid many of the connections as the people that built the machine in his opinion got it all wrong and that i was having so much trouble with it. Can't remember what that was now. Too long ago. My uncles repair shop is way too far away and he won't answer calls. He is a cranky old bugger he he.

Ok that is good info about ccleaner.

I don't have system information either in msconfig or the other way you describe

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#70
March 29, 2010 at 16:16:36
"Ok in device manager under Universal serial bus controller there is:
PCI Class 2.0 enhanced host controller
USB 2.0 root hub device "

That indicates....
- XP has at least SP1 updates loaded
- the main chipset drivers have been loaded
- the bios settings have enabled USB 2.0 support
- the USB 2.0 controller support has been loaded in Windows

NOTE that devices plugged into your front case USB ports may give you error messages because their wiring is inadequate, but devices plugged into your built into the mboard USB ports on the back of the case should not be giving you those "nag" messages (they're NOT ERROR MESSAGES ! ).

"Actually i just realised there are two of the same headings....universal serial bus controllers....why is that?"

It is NORMAL for you to have more than one USB controller listed, and more than one USB Root Hub listed, under a SINGLE Universal Serial Bus Controllers folder listing in Device Manager .

It is NOT NORMAL for you to have TWO Universal Serial Bus Controllers FOLDERS listed in Device Manager !!
If that's what you have, that's probably why your USB 2.0 controller support is NOT properly recognized !!

You must Un-install everything in BOTH FOLDERS,
see response 3 in this:
http://www.computing.net/answers/wi...
then reboot, then you should have only ONE Universal Serial Bus Controllers folder in Device Manager, and the USB 2.0 support should work fine !
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"I don't know what a metal plate is specific to this or ....well i can't get an example in my head!"

It's called either a (metal) plate, or a (metal) bracket, because it's L shaped - plates or brackets are also what the metal piece on the end of a card in a slot is called.

Two ports, two cables, two five in a row, 5 wire single row female connectors. Connects to one double row USB connector (your mboard) , or to 8 or 10 pins in a row on a header (some other mboards).

Startech USBPLATE - this particular one has common wiring that will probably work fine with your USB header, but you MAY have to cut or disconnect one black (power ground) wire on one 5 in a row connector - the 5th wire.
http://www.startech.com/item-applic...

Click on View more images for a close up

Your USB header will also work with some common wired 2 - 4 in a row, 4 wire female connectors.

Four ports, 4 cables, 2 double row female connectors, each double row connector has 9 wires, one blocked pin hole lines up with a missing pin on the USB header. Connects to two double row USB headers (your mboard has only 1 USB header available - the other one is being used for the front USB ports).

Startech USBPLATE4 - this particular one has common wiring that will probably work fine with your USB header, but you MAY have to cut or disconnect the second black (power ground) wire on the 5 wire side - the fifth wire.
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Produc...
http://www.startech.com/item-applic...

Click on View more images for a close up
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It sounds like the computer case and it's USB wiring is old enough that it / they were made before USB 2.0 was available - the USB wiring to the front ports probably cannot support USB 2.0 minimum requirements properly.



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#71
March 29, 2010 at 19:18:25
I have SP2!

OK sorry nag messages no error messages lol.

Ah ok i knew that was a problem with the two folders. I did ask someone about it ages ago but no one got back to me.
Geez your a miracle worker.....everything is good with the USB situation now. All usb devices working well and everything is listed correctly in device manager .
Oops except one....I have one yellow unknown question mark device in there now. I deleted it but it has come back.
Anyway will have to look at what is not installed later as i have things to do!
Will also read the rest of your response later! :0)

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#72
March 29, 2010 at 21:40:34
If you're no longer getting the "nag" messages when you plug a USB 2.0 rated device into the rear ports, then the device flagged yellow in Device Manager has nothing to do with the USB 2.0 support.

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#73
March 30, 2010 at 05:04:06
Yep no nags anymore lol.
OK will check on whatever device it is protesting about when i have time. Phew busy damn week. Physio is no fun!

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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