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Name: Mo7y (by MA66)
Hello, my drive supports writing on DVD +/- R DL media but, Actually it didn't work when I tried to record an +R DL media, it gives an error just after finishing layer 1, the disc was made by Imation, I've read about Imation R DL discs and I know they're bad but, the trouble is it's the most common discs sold in the market and the other only one is Sony, don't know if Sony has R DL media or not and if they are good or not.
The thing that I want to ask you about is that my drive slowest writing speed supported is 4x for DVD R DL media so, is there DL media that can be recorded by speed more than 2.4x ?
Second, how can I prevent write errors in DVD R DL ? I'm using Nero 8 as my writing software and, I also have Alcohol 120% can that help fixing this problem ?
I read so much about this trouble but, all are advising to use Verbatim media which is not available at all in the market.
Have you successfully burned any DL disks using any brand media on this current rig?
Out of curiousity, if you can, tell me what you were trying to place on the dual layer DVD?
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All optical drives are somewhat sensitive as to which media - brands and types of disks - you can use in them successfully. There is usually a list of media your model is known to work well with on the drive manufacturer's web site, some media makers have lists of optical drive models their media is known to work properly in on their web site, and sometimes there are reviews of your model or similar models made by the same maker that test the drive with many different types of media on the web.
If you are using cheap bulk pack disks that come with no cases, there are more likely to be some disks that are defective. Enable the feature in your burning software that checks the disk before you burn - it's often disabled by default because it adds a little to the total time it takes to burn - to prevent you wasting your time trying to burn a defective disk.
It's a good idea to make sure the laser lenses on the drive are clean before you attempt to burn, especially if you use the drive a lot. An easy way of doing that is to use a laser lens cleaning CD.
If your DVD combo burner drive (burns and reads CDs and DVDs) is IDE connected and capable of 16X or greater DVD -R or DVD +R, it must be connected to your mboard IDE, or IDE drive controller card in a slot, with an 80 wire data cable in order for the drive to be able to achieve it's full rated UDMA 66 (UDMA 4 in Windows) speed. If you connect it to a 40 wire data cable, you will not be able to burn at the higher speeds, or if your burning software still allows that, there WILL be data errors generated at the higher burn speeds, and the drive may not work correctly otherwise.
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You might have to resort to trying your burner on a friends system, and maybe trying his on your system.
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Actually, the drive is new, and I think that I'm 80 Conductor IDE Cable connecting the drive to the motherboard's IDE controller.
It was my first time to try burning a DL media, I was burning some of my old games that were in CD's, just to save more place for new discs.
No prob, What about that Verbatim discs that is recommended by other users ? Is it really good ?
And what about the supported types of DL media ? do you mean that DL media have different types ?
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I asked about using DL media for a reason. DL media is 10 times more money than SL and is less compatible, as you are finding out.
Quite frankly I don't have any reason to use that type or media and most likely you don't either.
Are you sure about the slowest writing speed for DL media. You may want to read the help files for Nero 8. I may be mistaken but I don't believe there is a slowest burning speed for any media. The opposite is true. There IS a fastest burning speed for all media. You should be using the fastest burning speed the drive is rated for. Although even that can be overcome.
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"....I think that I'm 80 Conductor IDE Cable connecting the drive to the motherboard's IDE controller."
Your mboard first came out about 7 years ago.
There was no optical drive back then that required an 80 wire data cable - they did not exist until about three years ago.
It is very likely that if the hard drive and original optical drive were connected to separate data cables, the hard drive one is 80 wire and the optical drive one is 40 wire.
If you connected your new drive to the latter cable, you've connected it to a 40 wire one.
The connectors on the two types of cables look the same, they both work on a 40 pin IDE header, except the ones on the 80 wire cable are probably two or three colors.
"No prob, What about that Verbatim discs that is recommended by other users ? Is it really good ?And what about the supported types of DL media ? do you mean that DL media have different types ?"
See the first paragraph response 2.
See the specs for your drive model.
.....I haven't tried DL media either.
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No prob guys, I don't need using DL that much it's just for saving space of my CD cases. No prob.
About the mboard, I got this pc from 3 years so, I think that the cables that came with it is 80 Conductor As you say. I took a look to the IDE cables they are colored (Blue, White, Black) may be this is what you're talking about right ?
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Blue, grey and black are the actual colors.
Check in Device mamager to see if your IDE channels are using DMA. Device Manager> IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers> primary IDE channel> advanced settings. That screen should show the DMA mode. Repeat for the Secondary channel.
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All the 80 wire ones I've seen have a blue connector for the mboard end of the cable, the other two on a three connector cable may be both black (UDMA-66), or two of various colors other than blue (UDMA-100/133). The blue connector must go to the mboard.
The UDMA-66 cables usually have all 40 pinholes on all the connectors - they can sometimes be installed backwards on the IDE headers - the drive won't work if one of the connectors for the drive or the mboard is backwards on the header, but connecting it backwards doesn't hurt anything, and connecting both connectors involved backwards allows the drive to work too; the UDMA-100/133 cables usually have one pin hole blocked on all the connectors - they only go on one way on the IDE headers (one pin is missing on the IDE headers on all mboards and IDE drives made since about the late 90's).DMA mode in XP:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/devic...If the connection your optical drive is on is in PIO mode, try setting it to DMA if available, save settings, go back in, see if it has changed to a higher mode. DVD combo burner optical drives should be in Ultra DMA mode 4, if they are capable of 16X or greater DVD + or DVD - .
If the drive won't go out of PIO mode, you need to remove some lines from the Registry, but if you haven't cured what caused the data errors, Windows will immediately or in a short time insert the lines again and it will be in PIO mode again.
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Look in Device Manager. If there are yellow ? marks beside any drive's model number, you need to remove some other lines from the registry.
....A frequent cause of Windows forcing a drive into PIO mode is this:
It is common to un-intentionally damage IDE data cables, especially while removing them - the 80 wire ones are more likely to be damaged. What usually happens is the cable is ripped at either edge and the wires there are either damaged or severed, often right at a connector or under it's cable clamp there, where it's hard to see - if a wire is severed but it's ends are touching, the connection is intermittant, rather than being reliable.
Another common thing is for the data cable to be separated from the connector contacts a bit after you have removed a cable - there should be no gap between the data cable and the connector - if there is press the cable against the connector to eliminate the gap.
80 wire data cables are also easily damaged at either edge if the cable is sharply creased at a fold in the cable.Try another data cable if in doubt.
.....You are more likely to have problems burning or otherwise if you install more than one burning program that has a module that is running all the time, other than the basic CD burning one built into XP. E.g. Nero definately does that.
.....Some system's other installed software doesn't get along with Nero's InCD feature.
More recent Nero versions often install a module called ImageDrive - some system's other installed software doesn't get along with that. If that is installed, you will see one more CD or DVD drive listed in Device Manager than the physical optical drives you have - it's a virtual drive.
If you have problems caused because either one is installed, and/or if you don't intend on using them........
If either is listed separately in Add/Remove Programs, you can un-install them .
Or you may be able to unload them in Nero's configuration settings somewhere.
Or you may have to un-install Nero, install Nero again choosing a Custom install, and choose to NOT install the feature.
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I checked the drive, it supports DMA and PIO, and the cable too. Using Intel Application Accelerator gives you the option to change the channel used.
Thanks.
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BTW, I forgot, Nero 8 Installed without InCD program and ImageDrive is disabled by default, I'm using Alchol 120% to get virtual drive that's all. I'm enabling the virtual drive when I need it only, I don't burn using my DVD-RW while Virtual drive is enabled, as I think it may cause errors.
My system is ok, I used that drive to burn other discs DVD +/- R SL and CDs too, no problems at all. Also I made a successful burn on DVD+R with 20x writing speed.
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"Using Intel Application Accelerator gives you the option to change the channel used."
I forgot to mention that. With some older Intel chipsets that require the IAA to be installed, you do not see the Advanced Settings tab in the IDE controller properties in Device Manager - the modes are displayed and changable in IAA instead - but the reasons for a drive being stuck in PIO mode are the same.
If the optical drive is in UDMA 4 mode (UDMA 66), the hard drive in a mode UDMA 4 mode or higher that that (5 for UDMA-100 drives, 6 for UDMA-133 drives), there's nothing wrong there.So - going by what you have said, you probably you need to find our which specific DL media works fine in your model and use that instead of what you were trying to use.
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I'll try using the same media again but, in Test Mode, I mean nothing will be actually written as you said, I think using slower writing speed will solve the problem.
The problem is that I can't find any DL media than Imation one, so I'm stuck with that, and As I said no need to consider this too much as I don't need DL for an important thing.
Thanks anyway.
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I tried but, it didn't work at all, Nero rejected to simulate writing. Error message told me that simulation mode isn't supported by that kind of disc, it means that DL media can't be used in simulation.
Moreover the slowest supported write speed by the drive is 4x for DVD RDL media and, the media is 2.4x, so I think it's impossible to use that media now. All in the market is Imation and 2.4x no more.
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Mo7y
Did you determine the slowest write speed from documentation for the drive or from Nero?
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Look, I used Nero Disc Speed and Drive Speed, Disc Speed says that disc only support 4x to 8x of write speed, while the same disc is 2.4x (written on the label of the media).
Drive Speed stats that the slowest speed is 4x and 12x Max for DVD+R DL.
I read that installing the latest firmware will solve that trouble but, I found out that I already have the latest version of firmware installed.
Still, I'll wait till get something that I can write on the R DL media like movies. I can't make simulation enabled for DL , don't know why ?
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I have an update on a new firmware for my drive, I found one and installed it, no change about writing speed. But, I could to go through the error message that was preventing me from making a simulation write on the media.
and I found something else in my Dell Inspiron 1501 laptop's dvd writer, It supports +R DL media too, but, I couldn't write on an old disc I got so, I upgraded the firmware for that drive too. The strange thing is that the laptop's drive is telling the true speed of the disc. The laptop's DVD writer drive is a slow one 8x max writing on all dvds. but, this one is 20x for DVD SL and 12x for DL ones.
I think that high speed drives doesn't support some of slow speed rates like 2.0x like the one I have here the slowest available that I can choose from any program is 4x not 2x.
BTW, I'm writing to you while the DVD RDL simulation is running, I'll post as soon as it finishes.
Thanks for helping.
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Ok, It's done no errors at all but, that the disc was gone, I mean that the disc doesn't support simulation as the program said and test data was written into it.
No prob, the important thing that I got a successful burn on DVD RDL media. I used 4x of speed it took a while but, no prob.
BTW, what do you recommend about writing method when writing on a DL media ? Is it Disc-at-once or Track-at-once ?
Thanks again.
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To answer your last question above. If you are not burning enough data to fill the disk then don't use DL media.
The Track at Once is intended to be used if you wish to write addition data to the disk at some future time.
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Got it, but R discs don't support re-writing how can I add more data to them ?
I mean using Track-at-once won't allow me to add data in the future if the disc isn't RW disc, right ?
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CDR disks can't be OVERWRITTEN, like CDRW can be. You can add more data to a partially used CDR or DVDR. You need to use track at once to do that. It closes the session but not the disk. Once the disk is closed you can't add anything more, no matter how much space remains.
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Got it, I didn't know that. You mean If I used track-at-once and Multi-session disc option is enabled I can add more data to CDR and DVDR but, I can't overwrite them. Does this advantage work with DVD RDL ? I mean If I only used 6 GB from the 8 GB available, can I use that feature to add other 2 GB of data to the same media ?
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I can't say definitively because I have never burned a dual layer disk. I would assume it should work the same way. Keep in mind you are spending 10 times as much per disk. IMO it makes no sense to use DL media in most cases.
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Right, asking just for info. It doesn't matter if I'll use that info or not, but they might get important later.
Thanks for your answers and sorry for wasting your time.
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You aren't wasting my time. I am trying to convince you not to bother with DL media at all. If you need to copy movies you can use any number of programs to make the file fit on one DVDR. DVD shrink comes to mind but if you are interested in this issue then start a new post.
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No prob, I just was trying to store my old files, games, projects and other important system software in one large place that's all.
I'm convinced about your idea of not bothering myself with DL media. It's just a trial to find a way to get more storage for the future. In the end I found a way to burn the DL media successfuly by burning it with lower speed 4x and using Nero Burning ROM instead of Nero Express. As I noticed that nero express is somehow trying to speed up the writing speed even if you chose lower speeds. Nero Express's objective is to write as fast as possible with simple steps and that may cause errors when writing on bigger media.
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