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How much wire resistance

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Name: Coos Bay Lumber
Date: December 22, 2004 at 19:21:29 Pacific
OS: Win 3.1
CPU/Ram: 166/256
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I am about to run an eight wire cable to link two computers together. The distance is about 70 feet. In measuring the resistance between the ends of the wire before installing, the VOM reads the resistance at 7-8 ohms on each of the wires. Is this too much, or good enough?

Wm.



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Response Number 1
Name: SkipCox
Date: December 22, 2004 at 19:28:30 Pacific
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A serial connection like we spoke of on the Win3.1 forum?

I've done it with a 100' serial cable and with a CAT3 cable w/ adapters...had no problems.

Skip


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Response Number 2
Name: roadkruuzer
Date: December 22, 2004 at 19:34:04 Pacific
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I'm not so familiar with resistances, but I do know Ethernet UTP wire is good for up to about 100m. At least that's what CCNA1 has taught me :)

My opinion, you probably won't see any performance issues or lost packets. If you're really that worried, you can get some more wire and throw a hub inbetween to split the distance in half. The hub should repeat the signal, but add a hair of latency to the link. Just my thoughts...wouldn't put too much weight on em.


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Response Number 3
Name: SkipCox
Date: December 23, 2004 at 03:57:14 Pacific
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Wm,

Dug out a 100' 28awg serial cable and resistance measured about 21 ohms. You'll be fine...sounds like you're using about 24awg wire.

Skip


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Response Number 4
Name: name
Date: December 23, 2004 at 11:01:37 Pacific
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The DC resistance has little to do with whether a network cable will work or not. The REAL issue is whether the line will pick up interferance from other sources, and whether it is of good "quality" so that it doesn't distort the data pulses so much that they won't trigger at the other end.

That is why we have the oldest, poorest phone line, the old tan 4 conductor, that won't support very high data rates for very far.

Next up is "cat 3" which at least has SOME twist and some order of balance.

Higher quality is "cat 5" which has a tighter twist, and better quality control in manufacturing.

Those of you old enough to remember television twin lead, CAT5 works sorta the same way, that is--

it is a balanced "feedline" and as long as it remains balanced, and doesn't suffer from too much "loss" plus when twisted that helps the line to cancel noise pickup from outside sources.

It doesn't carry DC current, and the actual resistance is not that big a problem, long as the end connectors are properly made.


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Response Number 5
Name: Coos Bay Lumber
Date: December 23, 2004 at 17:38:19 Pacific
Reply:

Skip:

Wire gauge is 26. Ex-Pacific Telephone wrapped wire.

Measured the resistance before soldering up everything, just to make sure no breaks in wire that was not evident. Got the 7-8 Ohms then.

Soldered them onto the new 9 pin connectors, and as of this morning the reistance shot up. I now suspect the poor connection to be due to poor connectors.


Wm.



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Response Number 6
Name: elric
Date: December 24, 2004 at 05:58:55 Pacific
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G'day

The determining issue here is not so much the resistance of the cable at DC.
The impedance of the cable is what is important: that is a combination of the resistance of the cable and its capacitance;
This forms a low pass filter which will alter the signal. The frequency of this filter will determine the attenuation of the signal. Over short distances, this will not affect most systems because the filter break frequency will be much higher than the fundamental frequency of the signal: it does;however ,come into play when you increase the distance. As has already been noted, telephone lines suffer from this and data links using RS232 type signals have strict limits on the length of, and type of, cable to use.
regards,
Elric


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Response Number 7
Name: Coos Bay Lumber
Date: December 24, 2004 at 07:49:32 Pacific
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Elric....

Last night, I unsoldered a couple of DB9 sockets from an old cable, then attached to the ends of the new, long one. The software boots up just fine now.

I think the new sockets may not have been made properly. All testing was done at the backside of the connectors, not through the pin holes.

Will cost me more to drive back to the place for a refund than the parts had originally cost.

Wm.


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Response Number 8
Name: SkipCox
Date: December 24, 2004 at 11:54:50 Pacific
Reply:

Wm,

You did a good job on this one. Knowing the PacTel cable was in fact good led you to the root of your problem.

I agree with Elric totally but, I've made field repairs in RS-232 by splicing, adding stranded wire to extend a cable, adding connectors in order to use an extension cable in the middle of a run and other crap to get RS-232 up and running. I was eventually able to replace cables in about half the cases but the rest had to remain in service with my cobbled up patchwork.

Glad to hear you got it working.

Merry Christmas folks.

Skip


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Response Number 9
Name: elric
Date: December 24, 2004 at 20:48:37 Pacific
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G'day,

Glad you got it sorted. I guess my post was a little too technical, but my aim was to put the problem into perspective.
Cable types and lengths are important when you are dealing with high frequency signals and long cable lengths.
So, now you can go off and enjoy a cool one (or two) and enjoy Xmas.
regards,
Elric


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