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How fast is my onboard video card?

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Name: suspect52732
Date: December 31, 2003 at 14:37:39 Pacific
Subject: How fast is my onboard video card?
OS: XP
CPU/Ram: 2.6Ghz/512
Comment:

Ok, I did some research on my new motherboard at HP's website. Here is what I found:

HP and Compaq Desktop PCs - Motherboard Specifications, ASUS P4SD-LA with Integrated Graphics


Feature/Specification
Description

Motherboard Supplier
ASUS

System BIOS Supplier
ASUS/Award

Board Form Factor
uATX

Processor Brand
Intel

Processor Socket Type
mPGA478

Processor Family
Pentium 4HT

Maximum Processor Core Frequency
Up to 3.2 GHz P4 Northwood

Processor Front Side Bus
800/533/400 MHz

Hyper Threading Support
Yes

Processor VRM Specification
Northwood FMB2

Chipset Name
Springdale-G, GMCH rev A2

Chipset 'North Bridge'
865G, rev A2

Chipset 'South Bridge'
ICH5, revA2

Super I/O
SMsC LPC47M192-NC

Flash BIOS Device Type and Density
FWH 4 Mbit

Memory Type
DDR SDRAM (Supports duel channel)

Memory Speed
PC3200 (400 MHz),

PC2700 (333 MHz),

PC2100 (266 MHz)

Memory Sockets
Four DDR DIMM (184-pin)

Single or Dual Channel
Dual System Memory

Maximum Memory Supported
4GB (4 x 512MB) unbuffered (HP and Compaq recommend 2GB)

AGP Graphics Support
Yes

AGP Graphics Maximum Mode
AGP 8x

Integrated Graphics Supplier
Intel

Integrated Graphics Shared (UMA) Memory
Up to 64 MB Intel DVMT- dynamic (32 MB if less than 256 MB system memory)

Graphics Configuration
Integrated on motherboard

Graphics Connector
AGP 8x (available)

TV-out Device or Configuration
No

Integrated Audio Type
AC'97

AC'97 Codec Device
Realtek ALC650

5.1 (Dolby) Channel Audio Support
Yes, Six speaker mode (requires audio driver and software setting changes)

Passive Speaker Output (amplifed)
Speaker-out header

Rear Audio Jacks
Microphone,

Line-in,

Line-out,

Front Audio Connectors
Headphones,

Microphone,

Line-in

Ethernet 10/100 LAN Supplier
PCI Realtek RT8101L

Ethernet Configuration
Integrated, Down

IEEE 1394 Support
Configuration: Integrated on motherboard

MAC/PHY Device: TI TSB43AB22

Maximum transfer rate: 400MBps

Ports: Two total (1 front, 1 back)

IDE/ATAPI UDMA Modes
ATA 100/66

Expansion Slots
One AGP,

Three PCI,

One Ultra ATA

USB Ports
Supports up to 8 USB v2.0

USB Front/Rear Options
Up to four front, four rear

Rear External Ports
One serial,

One parallel,

One floppy,

Two PS/2 (keyboard and mouse),

One IEEE 1394,

Four USB,

One VGA Monitor

Front External Ports
Two USB, One IEEE 1394

Fan support
Headers for CPU and System

CPU Fan Speed Control for active fansink

System Fan Speed Control

Available Manufacturer Options
Integrated graphics (G),

Integrated LAN (L),

Six speaker mode, Dolby 5.1 (6)

Integrated 1394 (E)

Here is the link to the information, and to pictures of what my motherboard looks like.

http://h20015.www2.hp.com/en/document.jhtml?reg=&plc=&lc=en&cc=us&cat=prodinfo&prodId=hppavilion372410&docName=c00022505

I can't for the life of me determine the bus speed of my onboard video card. I want to find this out so that I can decide wether installing my PCI card is going to boost system performance or not. I posted a question similar a day or two ago, but no one seemed to know which was better. If I can find out how fast my motherboard video card bus speed is, I will be able to figure out which will be better, my 64Mb PCI card or the onboard.


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Response Number 1
Name: OtheHill
Date: December 31, 2003 at 14:52:38 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

Copy & paste this link:
http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/chipsets/graphics2/index.htm?iid=ipp_desk+chip_eg2&


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Response Number 2
Name: Nick Robichaud
Date: December 31, 2003 at 15:01:04 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

download Sis Sandra or Aida 32..


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Response Number 3
Name: jam
Date: December 31, 2003 at 15:11:19 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

You have onboard AGP graphics...that would put your video bus speed at 66mhz. PCI runs at 33mhz. It says if you have 256mb of RAM installed, you can allocate up to 32mb to the graphics...but if you have more than 256mb installed, you can allocate up to 64mb. You can change that amount in your BIOS. It's a bit of a trade off though cuz you'll lose system RAM to your video. I take it you don't have an AGP slot? You can always add a PCI card later, but I'd give the onboard a fair shot 1st...I doubt it's gonna be very good for gaming though...have a read:

http://www20.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030903/index.html



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Response Number 4
Name: OtheHill
Date: December 31, 2003 at 15:40:20 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

That link I posted is for the graphice chip


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Response Number 5
Name: suspect52732
Date: December 31, 2003 at 16:03:09 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

I scoped the link that you posted, read through the pamphlet, and the site. It summarizes the capabilities of the onboard video, but doesn't mention an actual bus speed. I DO have a AGP 8x slot. But, I already have a PCI video card I had purchased a while back, so I wanted to use the one I already have bought, rather than buying a new one. The bus speeds you listed seem extremly low compared to the 800mhz FSB of my PC. I wonder why the bus speed would be so slow...thats wierd. Maybe, I should call HP and sit on hold for a good 2hours until I figure it out, eh? Anyways, thanks alot. I really appreciate your opinions. Although, still haven't got the straight answer I seek. "What is the bus speed of my onboard video card" Not sure this one will ever get answered.


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Response Number 6
Name: OtheHill
Date: December 31, 2003 at 16:25:20 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

As was stated by others, AGP is 66MHz. I'm not an Intel person so I don't know what speed your processor runs at but let me explain that 800MHz. That is really a 200MHz bus that is what Intel calls quad pumped. So the bus architecture is 100, 133, 200. As I said, I don't know that chip. PC architecture AGP bus runs at 66MHz for all 86 instruction set machines. The width of the path varies. 1x,2x,4x,8x. Bus speed is just one factor in video performance. The onboard video uses system memory which is usually slower than oncard memory. You can set your memory to 64MBs. You are getting all worked up over nothing. All motherboards that have onboard graphics are designed as a economical MB. If you are looking for top performance, look elsewhere.


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Response Number 7
Name: suspect52732
Date: December 31, 2003 at 16:48:37 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

Thnx for the advice, that is helpful. I think I will just sell the PCI card and get a AGP 8x. I am not having any problems with the video, I just wanted to know whether I could put the PCI video card to use or not. I think that 8x AGP would be best since the onboard is barrowing precious RAM from the system. Also, the AGP card will come with a CPU on it, so that should, I am guessing, boost the overall system, since to processors is better than one. Thanks, very helpful!


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Response Number 8
Name: OtheHill
Date: December 31, 2003 at 17:35:41 Pacific
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Why don't you just use the system the way it is for awile and see what your needs are.


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Response Number 9
Name: BabyaSoftwareGroup
Date: January 1, 2004 at 01:43:09 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

Intel graphics share some system RAM (eg. a 845G would share 8mb), the rest is dyanmically allocated (upto 64mb).


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