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Name: DarkManX4lf
Date: July 2, 2004 at 18:03:09 Pacific
OS: winxp
CPU/Ram: xp2000 / 512 pc2100
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this may sound stupid but i was wondering if there is any way to make a home made thermal paste, i have no funds (untill two weeks), and my thermal paste on my cpu has dried up, everytime i turn it on and it gets to 65degrees it shuts off, and its not the temp settings inteh bios i think its overheating, so...i tried to make my own thermal paste usign vaseline and toothpaste, which is currently keeping my pc at 50 - 54c idle....any other solutions to h omemade thermal paste?



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Response Number 1
Name: GerryC
Date: July 2, 2004 at 19:14:36 Pacific
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You can buy the real stuff, that is known to work, for $8.00:

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-100-009&depa=0


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Response Number 2
Name: XxxFrancisxxxUSA
Date: July 2, 2004 at 19:57:32 Pacific
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Come on! Get serious!

I used plumbers 100% silicone MUST BE 100%!!! (stuff that goes rubbery, used to seal joints) one time.

It worked perfectly well for a few months on my 2000XP Athlon.

It's $2 a tube at Home Depot.


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Response Number 3
Name: peters
Date: July 2, 2004 at 20:43:36 Pacific
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You can get some thermal paste from .99-$10.00 at ebay.You cant afford .99,and im sure there are places in your area that sell them anywere from 2.00-10.00 also.

http://computers.listings.ebay.com/Desktop-PC-Components_Thermal-Pastes-Compounds_W0QQfromZR4QQsacategoryZ46322QQsocmdZListingItemList


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Response Number 4
Name: DarkManX4lf
Date: July 2, 2004 at 21:16:13 Pacific
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i know u can buy it cheap, but i like to try alternatives to name brand stuff or even commercial stuff, i like to make my own stuff....60% of the time...soo.......for those of you who ran out of thermal grease and really need some BADLY you can mix some toothpaste with some vaseline and it works like a charm...


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Response Number 5
Name: XxxFrancisxxxUSA
Date: July 2, 2004 at 21:36:29 Pacific
Reply:

Well damn. I just ran out of toothpaste. Does mayo work as well? LOL!


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Response Number 6
Name: jam
Date: July 2, 2004 at 21:50:23 Pacific
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I think it's time to take some of the empty beer bottles to the recycling center...lol!

Radio Shack Heatsink Compound is only $2/tube & works as good as any other


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Response Number 7
Name: name
Date: July 2, 2004 at 21:53:28 Pacific
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Let's see if I have this straight. You are willing to risk failing a processor and possibly even a motherboard worth hundreds of dollars because you want to use something stoooopid like toothpaste?

You'd be better off to get the thing spotlessly clean, and put the heat sink on there BARE CLEAN, than to use something stoooooopid like that.


SURELY you must have some old computer around there that you can scrape the two drops of heat sink compound off of to get running, and SURELY you can afford to buy the junk that Radio Shack sells.


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Response Number 8
Name: johnoh
Date: July 2, 2004 at 22:10:31 Pacific
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there are dozens of homemade thermal interface ideas that will keep your cpu cool for a few hours or a few days. But real thermal paste lasts.


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Response Number 9
Name: Mike Newcomb
Date: July 2, 2004 at 22:10:46 Pacific
Reply:

I agree with Name in thinking you are risking an awful lot.

Here in the UK, a local pc repair shop would give enough of the correct compound for the heatsink concerned free.

If you are determined to make your own, why not try KY Jelly and the heatsink will slip in nicely!

Good luck - Keep us posted.


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Response Number 10
Name: peters
Date: July 2, 2004 at 22:29:31 Pacific
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Toothpaste and vaseline?Well,you`ll have the cleanest and freshest smelling cpu around,and its not likely to get dry skin.Maybe ill try that new brand of toothpaste that whitens the die,and ill buy floas also to clean inside the pins.LOL!@@


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Response Number 11
Name: Symbios
Date: July 2, 2004 at 22:38:19 Pacific
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I'm gonna have to agree with every one else. Just spend $3 and get some REAL thermal paste!

Symbios


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Response Number 12
Name: DarkManX4lf
Date: July 2, 2004 at 23:19:15 Pacific
Reply:

nah i'll stick to what i made :), but i did go out and buy thermal paste anyway just in case.


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Response Number 13
Name: angrymen2001
Date: July 3, 2004 at 04:34:49 Pacific
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"nah i'll stick to what i made :), but i did go out and buy thermal paste anyway just in case"
Just in case what? You're computer craps out?
Thermal compound is made for a reason people, to remove damaging heat away from the CPU. If you want to experiment by possibly throwing $$ away, why don't you send me $10 and I'll research new methods of computing using a toothbrush and lip balm.

When all else fails beat the $%!* out of it!!!


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Response Number 14
Name: name
Date: July 3, 2004 at 08:10:48 Pacific
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"""""""""""'Let's see if I have this straight. You are willing to risk failing a processor and possibly even a motherboard worth hundreds of dollars because you want to use something stoooopid like toothpaste?"""""""""'

That's just in case (because?) you didn't read it the first time. As a person who was a RADAR tech in the navy for 6 years, was a licensed amateur operator since high school, and a person who has dabbled and worked in electronics all my life, I can tell you this.

I WON'T BE USING TOOTHPASTE (for headsink compound) ANY TIME SOON!!!!!!!!!!!


Let me just ask you a couple of questions:

Do you have an engineering degree, in , say, chemistry? Do you know WHY heat sink compound is made the way it is? For one thing, in MOST electronics, heat sink compound can NOT be conductive.

(Ya, ya, I know all about the "silver blue streak whatever bla bla, but that stuff is hype as far as I'm concerned, anyway)

Do you know that whatever it is that you mixed up in your kitchen/bathroom/garage/basement "laboratory" is not conductive? Or that it even conducts heat better than metal to metal contact? It JUST MAY BE that whatever you put on there may either cause a partial electrical short, or may act as an (heat) insulator. Toothpaste contains some sort of grinding compound, you know, small ROCKS AND STONES, like you would use for GRINDING out the paint on your car??????? It PROBABLY also contains a fair amount of water.


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Response Number 15
Name: DarkManX4lf
Date: July 3, 2004 at 08:15:38 Pacific
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wow u people really take my computer seroiusly...
more serously than i do...


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Response Number 16
Name: DarkManX4lf
Date: July 3, 2004 at 08:23:22 Pacific
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also there was a article some where that said toothpaste kept the cpu cooler better than arctic silver, http://www.dansdata.com/goop.htm


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Response Number 17
Name: johnoh
Date: July 3, 2004 at 09:31:14 Pacific
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quote from the article at dansdata.

"That's right - Toothpaste Superior To Arctic Silver 3! Film At Eleven!

This was only over half an hour, though. When I removed the cooler from the heater, the toothpaste that'd been squished out around the edge of the contact patch was already dry and crusty, and the rest of the paste would follow soon enough. It'd be just minty white dust inside a week, and probably wouldn't work much better than no thermal compound at all. Maybe worse"


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Response Number 18
Name: anonproxy
Date: July 7, 2004 at 14:37:24 Pacific
Reply:

The issue is four-fold:

1) Purity. No matter the final product, you need relatively pure materials (at micron-size). This is required for the proper density (and thereby thermal conductivity).

2) Paste. You need something to suspend the conducting crystals/particles in - and just the right amount. And, it needs to largely evaporate or transfer heat really well. This may be the hardest part.

3) Tolerance. Your paste needs to maintain it's composition under high temperatures to maintain conductivity.

4) Manufacture. You have to test your paste, determine what could be wrong, and then modify the mix. If you cannot reproduce the same composition ratio with every batch, you're going to be doing a lot of guessing.

FYI, if you read the instructions with most thermal pastes, you would know to not use petroleum-based greases (like Vaseline) because they don't evaporate. After all, Vaseline is petroleum jelly that's left after the distillation process evaporates the oil. I think (impure) cement paste has a higher thermal conductivity than Vaseline (someone check me on that). Silver is over 400x as conductive, copper nearly as much, gold about 300x, and aluminum about 200x. I think the metals have it. (Best work on finding a suspension fluid).

Interestingly someone mentioned small aggregate in toothpaste. This could be something like concrete on your CPU (I've never looked into it).

Another thing, it really depends on how you measure system temperature. Which is another topic...


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Response Number 19
Name: jam
Date: July 9, 2004 at 06:03:25 Pacific
Reply:

I was thinking...

Radio Shack Thermal Grease is mostly zinc oxide...diaper rash cream is mostly zinc oxide...hmmmm


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Response Number 20
Name: FBI Agent
Date: July 9, 2004 at 09:59:34 Pacific
Reply:

lol @ the last post. back to the subject though... doesnt toothpaste wear down metals and cause them to rust? someone mentioned that they have water...

water + metal + oxygen = rust

i've seen some pics of water cooling systems before, they're actually not as good because they created condensation around the hose and it causes all of the pieces around to get all rusted and stuff... kinda like how your processor will be in not too long.

FBI_Agent


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Response Number 21
Name: DarkManX4lf
Date: July 13, 2004 at 22:44:41 Pacific
Reply:

haha lets see, ive been using the toothpaste combo for a month now, currently got a new case with more fans, so now cpu temp is down to 37c ! :P


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Response Number 22
Name: FBI Agent
Date: July 14, 2004 at 11:14:42 Pacific
Reply:

watch out for the rust

FBI_Agent


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Response Number 23
Name: Woof
Date: July 16, 2004 at 16:31:56 Pacific
Reply:

does the paste cotain flouride or not?

interesting to see if it keeps your cpu free from tooth decay :P


Woof


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Response Number 24
Name: mossy131
Date: July 22, 2004 at 03:55:11 Pacific
Reply:

I think its a great idea to try new stuff, it might be a tat risky but if in the end you come up with a good solution then thats great, dont be such a pesamist every 1, i havend had any thermal compound on my pentium 4 since 2002 and its still running fine, im going to try my hand at getting a good homemade thermal compund right now!

Go Darkman ! ! ! :)


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