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Name: hydrocynus
Date: July 30, 2005 at 21:27:26 Pacific
Subject: HELP! blank screen, no beep
OS: WINDOWS XP
CPU/Ram: GEIL 2*256 DDR PC-3200
Comment:

This is my first post, but I surely will visit that board more often.
OK, I had an old PC with only a PII 500+ Mghz. It was time to upgrade. So the idea was to keep the case, the PSU and to build a new system. Here is what are the parts I used to build my new system:

MOBO: ASUS A7N8X-E Deluxe (no idea of the Bios since I cannot boot)
CPU: Athlon XP 2700+ thoroughbred with fan coolermaster dream III
Graphic card: Leadtek Geforce 440MX AGP 8X 64
RAM: a pair of GEIL 256 mb DDR PC3200
I will not mention the rest. I just need to at least see something else than a blank screen.
I will mention that the case I own is not pretty and the PSU is ATX 2.0 (CODEGEN) 300W 115V/8A/60Hz. It powers with no problem the PC I am using to write this post (Pentium II 550mgHz, ABIT BX6 with 512 MB RAM, AGP graphic card, modem, two fans and other stuff).

here is what I have done: EACH TIME I DID SOME MODIFICATIONS (see below), I CLEARED THE CMOS (battery removal, wait with jumpers set to clear the BIOS)

1-I removed everything. Placed the mobo on the table on top of the antistatic plastic. I only had the power ATX plugged and the speaker (the loud beeper one) and my sound system, since that card comes with an integrated audio.
When I power up the PC, I have a blank screen, the monitor in stand by (it works since I am using it right now), I can hear that horrendous voice: "no CPU". But no beep (seems my speaker is dead, as when I think of it, I do not hear it anymore, even with my old system). Was happy to hear that voice though

2- I added the CPU, the thermal grease (not too much, I know), the cooler fan on it that was then plugged onto the board. I powered the PC, no beep, not horrendous voice. I tried the reset button. Nothing.

3- I tried all above with a PCI video card (ATI) that works (I tested it) so i am pretty sure I do not have a video card problem.I added the RAM too... nothing. No voice. The thing is like stuck to this point.

One thing I need to mention. Before i had the ASUS, I received a Soltek SL-75FRN L (loved that board), and I used the components above. I bought a P4 ATX 12V as it was requiered. I had a normal boot up with the hardware, I used with the ASUS. I was able to boot up 3 times, then, I had the blank screen. I thought i fried the board (the board has a COP system to shut down the system when the CPU gets too hot). I returned the board to get that ASUS... but still a blank screen.

I suspect my PSU is not good, and i will buy a new case tomorrow with at least 400Watts of clean power. That might do the trick... though, by looking over the internet it did not fix the problem for most. Does my minimal system with only a fan and a CPU needs that much power. I seriously doubt of it.
I wish I had another CPU to test. I think it is faulty, and I maybe fried it with the Soltek board (all jumpers were set correcty though). The CPU has not bend pins, no physical damage of any kind... at least nothing i can see under a magnifying lens. But it might....

Any other ideas? I (and especially my wife) am getting tired of this. In the past I built maybe 25 systems and was doing some PC maintenance for friends and colleagues. I stopped doing it. I thought that it was easier to build a system nowaday. Seems I am wrong: especially with AMD systems.

You tell me.



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Response Number 1
Name: jam
Date: July 30, 2005 at 21:43:42 Pacific
Subject: HELP! blank screen, no beep
Reply: (edit)

The power requiremenst for a P3 system & an Athlon XP system are totally different. The P3 is powered by the +5v rail, the AXP is powered by the +12v rail. CODEGEN PSUs are junk. You need a unit with a minimum of 350W & at least 16A on the +12v rail (more is better). Here's a great unit at a decent price:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817153006

BTW, the PSUs that come with a case are usually crap, unless you pay a good buck. You're not gonna get a good PSU with a $50 case.

ASUS A7N8X-X
Athlon XP 1800+
8.5 x 200MHz
1024MB PC3200 2.5-3-3-7
Asus A9550GE/TD 128MB
WinME/WinXP Pro SP1


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Response Number 2
Name: Rimfire
Date: July 30, 2005 at 21:58:49 Pacific
Subject: HELP! blank screen, no beep
Reply: (edit)

While the power supply may not be the best for the current setup, I would be inclined to point the finger at the cpu.


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Response Number 3
Name: jam
Date: July 30, 2005 at 22:10:28 Pacific
Subject: HELP! blank screen, no beep
Reply: (edit)

If this is the PSU you have, the specs are totally inadequate for an AXP system:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6783813214&category=42019


ASUS A7N8X-X
Athlon XP 1800+
8.5 x 200MHz
1024MB PC3200 2.5-3-3-7
Asus A9550GE/TD 128MB
WinME/WinXP Pro SP1


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Response Number 4
Name: hydrocynus
Date: July 31, 2005 at 11:23:05 Pacific
Subject: HELP! blank screen, no beep
Reply: (edit)

I think rimfire is right
I bought a new case, the board is not sitting on the plastic anymore. I then got a new power supply with 400 w of power and the 12+ is 18A much enough for the CPU. My board does not requiers a P4 12V.

Nothing happened... I still have the blank screen, no beeps (and this time I know the speaker works), no vocal post when the CPU is installed with the heat sink on top (but still the vocal post when no CPU is installed: "no CPU installed!")
So, the problem is not linked to the power supply. Now I know it.

So, it is either the board or the CPU. The heat sink warms up moderately, so I think the CPU is working and the board is faulty?

Both will return to Newegg tomorrow or the warranty will be void. If you have some ideas before tomorrow, they are much welcome. I keep the case (bought at Tiger direct this AM) since my old one was less than suitable for an Athlon XP. Boy, these new machines suck a lot of power!


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Response Number 5
Name: Rimfire
Date: July 31, 2005 at 14:42:36 Pacific
Subject: HELP! blank screen, no beep
Reply: (edit)

That removes the PSU as the possible cause of your problems.

In your original post you said that you have tried the same processor on a different motherboard. It didn't work there either. You also said that you tried the motherboard without the processor and it behaved as expected. You then added the processor which caused the motherboard to function as not expected. Having the processor but no ram should cause the same grating voice to tell you that you don't have any ram.

Antistatic bags are not intended to run boards on. They control static by being conductive. Running boards should sit on an insulator. Fortunately the new case removed this possibility (assuming that the spacers were installed correctly).


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Response Number 6
Name: hydrocynus
Date: July 31, 2005 at 16:43:47 Pacific
Subject: HELP! blank screen, no beep
Reply: (edit)

Yes Rimfire, you are correct.
The first board I received was a soltek and the CPU worked with that board for three boot ups. Then, I had the blank screen with no beeps.
with the Asus received. Same problem.
So the CPU might have fried moderately and the Soltek was good.
I will receive the new CPU by Wednesday or Thursday. I will test it with the ASUS and if it does not work. The ASUS board is faulty, not the CPU.
Let's see.


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Response Number 7
Name: hydrocynus
Date: August 4, 2005 at 20:03:03 Pacific
Subject: HELP! blank screen, no beep
Reply: (edit)

Hello all. Got the new CPU in the mail today.
Everything work. So it was the CPU.
This means that even though a CPU looks intact, even warms up the heat sink, it doesn't mean that it is working.
Now the board recognize the new cpu as a 1500 mhz, but I am sure I will deal with that.
Thanks for your help!
Serge


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