hd compliance

Ecs / Sl5wh
January 7, 2009 at 15:29:27
Specs: Windows XP, Intel P4 1.9
greetings people. dumb question : on a Samsung SV1021D 10gb hd, would it make a difference whether 40 way or 80 way ribbon cable is used ? this would be running on a slow mobo.. and a 800mhz duron. 256mb ram

I always say it's best to doublecheck.


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#1
January 7, 2009 at 15:40:35
An 80 wire cable for UDMA66. It will however function with a 40 wire cable.

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#2
January 7, 2009 at 16:18:08
thanks skip

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#3
January 7, 2009 at 16:27:37
A motherboard with an 800 mhz duron may or may not have support for faster data transfer that requires the 80-wire cables. You might want to post back its model number.

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#4
January 7, 2009 at 18:03:39
that's gonna be pretty hard to do because i've spent over an hour looking for it. hw32 identifies it as super grace electronics, dr hardware2008 sees it as some other name that no longer exists. all i can say for sure it has the kt133 chipset, with a via8363north and via vt82c686south. this is the board with the duron800. it has an ISA :D 5 pci, 3 sdram slots, and onboard sound. that's it. the power connector is perpendicular to the rams, all the way up in the right corner as it sits mounted. thank you. i'd wanna know if i can use a regular 40way cable on this. and i'd also want to know if this board can take advantage of the 200 bus of the duron.

in the bios i can go as high as 112/37 on the cpu/pci. i'm at 104, it's stable so far.

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#5
January 7, 2009 at 18:13:50
i'm sorry i aid duron above by mistake it's an athlon 800.

here is the hwinfo32 on it

Computer: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8363
CPU: AMD Athlon-832 (Thunderbird, A4/A5/A6/A7) @ 831 MHz (8.00x104.0)
Motherboard: PCPartner K133(A)ASA/MSA / A-Trend ATA-V971-SX0/V970B-SX1 / HIS-K7KT133-A1S
Chipset: VIA VT8363A KT133A + VT82C686A
Memory: 384 MBytes @ 103 MHz, 3.0-3-3-6
- 128 MB PC133 SDRAM - Unknown
- 128 MB PC133 SDRAM - Unknown
- 128 MB PC133 SDRAM - Unknown
Graphics: nVIDIA RIVA TNT2 M64 Video Adapter
nVIDIA RIVA TNT2 M64, 32 MB SDRAM
Drive: SAMSUNG SV1021D, 10.0 GB, E-IDE (ATA-4)
Drive: SONY CD-ROM CDU5221, CD-ROM
Sound: VIA AC'97 Audio Controller [H]
Network: Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC
OS: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Build 2600

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#6
January 7, 2009 at 18:15:53
see all the brands? pcpartner, via, a-trend, HIS ?

would i need to get chipset drivers for this old mobo? nothing shows yellow in device manager.

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#7
January 7, 2009 at 18:44:56
First of all, the athlon 800 and duron 800 both run at 100Mhz fsb. The 200 bus number is there because AMD "double pumps" their specs. Hence 100 is the same as 200; you're currently running at 104(208)x8 or 832Mhz.

Looks like you have the VIA KT133A northbridge chipset; the "A" stands for "and now it works".

The 112/37 setting may or may not be stable. That might be pushing the pci bus too far.

I'd start my search for a motherboard pic and manual with the A-Trend number and go from there.

The XP drivers for the motherboard should work fine.

Go ahead and use the 40 wire cable...worst that can happen is slightly slower hdd performance. The KT133A chipset does support UDMA66 and a 80 wire cable. However, I honestly don't think that old hdd will suffer much from a 40 wire cable.

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#8
January 7, 2009 at 18:51:27
thank you :) you said i'm pushing the pci bus. all i have on it is the lan card (on a pci slot). does the agp count as pci? and if so, this little riva tnt can't take the 37? i mean i'm running benchmarks and it's okay so far. riva heatsink kinda HOT though. can it be from the 37 you think ?v

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#9
January 7, 2009 at 19:42:18
You fsb runs at 100Mhz default; agp bus is 66Mhz default, and pci bus is 33Mhz default.

If your motherboard does not allow you to lock the agp and/or pci bus at 66/33Mhz or only offers you the otption of 112/37Mhz, you're gonna reach the OC limit pretty quick. In other words, the agp and pci bus speeds will increase as you increase the fsb.

The pci bus runs more stuff than just the pci slots. At 37 or 38Mhz you'll see audio, modem, nic, bsod or other screw ups.

See if you can take a look at cpu temps in bios.

Before you try to overclock further you need to identify the motherboard and find a way to monitor temps. MBM5 or SpeedFan are good programs for temp monitoring. CPU-Z may give you some information on your motherboard.

http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php

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#10
January 7, 2009 at 20:03:32
robpetrache, pay close attention to Skip...he knows his stuff :-)

Just to clarify about the bus speeds - when you increase the FSB, the PCI, AGP & memory buses increase along with it. Some boards have a BIOS setting to lock the PCI/AGP at their defaults of 33/66MHz, however, your board does not. The generally accepted safe max for the PCI bus is 37.5MHz. Go too much above that & bad things begin to happen.

"the "A" stands for "and now it works""

Good one Skip! lol


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#11
January 7, 2009 at 20:28:03
Got that one from johnoh several years ago...the KT133 design effort sure wasn't the best.

This page might be your motherboard.

http://www.pcpartner.com/support/ma...

Didn't find a manual for the A-Trend or HIS numbers...just a picture or two.

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#12
January 8, 2009 at 06:05:31
"Got that one from johnoh several years ago...the KT133 design effort sure wasn't the best"

Now that you mention it, I do recall him saying that. And of course you're right about the KT133. The KT133A was a huge improvement though & powered many a performance board in it's day. I'm still using an Asus A7V133-C in my Linux box.


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#13
January 8, 2009 at 12:37:12
yes that's the board !!!! and THANK YOU ! now i know the jumper set for 100bus :) i've left the bios setting at the max cpu over a 36 bus. i think 102 or 103 it was. 102/66 or 103/66 and it's steady. great man how did you find it? LOL you didn't have the board in front of you. i did. thanks again.

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#14
January 8, 2009 at 14:21:01
back to hd issues, if i have 3hrs left to finish up a system, mobo k7vt4a pro with a sempron 2200 (166/333bus) and using a weak 20gb maxtor fireball 3 ata/133 hd, and i have ONE 80way ribbon left, with one of the wires interrupted, only one, i can see there's a piece missing right bext to the blue connector, can I use it? Or am I better off using another 40way that's new ?

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#15
January 8, 2009 at 14:38:28
or can I not use the blue? and just use the grey and black? black to mobo grey to hd?

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#16
January 8, 2009 at 16:38:44
Seems like I've seen new 80 wire cables with a 1/4" notch in the cable...try it; see if it works.

If not, try the black/grey or go to the 40 wire cable.

FYI, I've bought a crapload of flat and round cables priced from 39ยข to like $1.29 from places like SVC. If you're gonna build these things, you should keep some of this stuff on hand. I buy as many different items like this as possible to save on shipping and just toss 'em all in a box to cover future builds and repairs.

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#17
January 8, 2009 at 19:00:22
I think the cut wire means the cable can only be used as cable select.

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#18
January 8, 2009 at 19:26:10
That makes sense; I do recall seeing the cut cables on old compaq or hp machines.

If so, the drive should work jumpered to CS.

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#19
January 9, 2009 at 04:19:24
you're right again:) yep, it works on cs. thanks i nearly tossed it. :)

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#20
January 9, 2009 at 11:09:25
Good call Dave.

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#21
January 9, 2009 at 22:54:03
Thanks. They really ought to stamp those cables with something like 'cable-select only'.

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#22
January 10, 2009 at 11:24:05
okay this may be a little harder. a friend put a password on a hd, from the system bios. over a year ago. now he brought me the system and asks that i remove that password because he forgot it entirely.

hd fujitsu mhv2080bh
pswd set from bios
sata 80gb

what do I do ?

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#23
January 10, 2009 at 12:55:38
I think you'll have better luck if you start a new thread with your last question.

Make sure you let us know the operating system and manufacturer/model of the computer or motherboard.

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