Solved Have an old windows 98 that is not connected to internet

July 25, 2014 at 15:07:05
Specs: Windows 98, 1 GB Ram
only use it for playing solitaire, writing recipes, and had a few Ancestry things on it.
a few days ago it started making a burrump burrump noise, then the mouse stopped working and I could not shut down so had to do a hard shut-down. then I rebooted a while later and it said being it was improperly shut down they had to check the etc etc etc.then it started checking the C files, and it checked for over 7 hours. (was afraid to shut it down until it finished) the next day it worked for awhile then started the same thing again. then the screen went black and a sign came up saying
"unable to find operating system" now what?
I did take most of the important things off before it completely went out.
thanks for any help. Nicki

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July 25, 2014 at 15:23:47
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Being a '98 box as it were.. it will accept a good olde fashioned dos boot disk?

Presuming you have one, boot up it and run Fdisk - to see if it can find the hard drive... I suggest this as it may be that drive has died or is in the process of...?

Equally if you have Linux type dvd you could boot with that and again see if it will find/produce the hard drive as a resource. Ubuntu is one of the current flavours.

An ISO can be downloaded here; burned to a DVD; boot with that DVD.

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July 25, 2014 at 15:24:10
yout hard drive probably has failed and probably would need replaced. win98 reloaded probably not worth repairing


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July 25, 2014 at 15:32:06
Hi Trvlr: Being a '98 box as it were.. it will accept a good olde fashioned dos boot disk?

I don't even know what that is. (I do have all the CD's that came with it new though)
I wanted it on long enough to get the other things off onto a floppie (the only thing the 98 will take) then I could transfer it to my desktop computer or my laptop. but if I couldn't, it would not really matter.
Thanks for everyone's help here. Nicki

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July 25, 2014 at 15:36:09
Hi Trvlr:
Is a DVD the same as a CD? I only have CD's right now. and what is an ISO?

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July 25, 2014 at 16:17:56
CD was the first version of optical to hit the market - initially for music (hifi kit etc.) and then also software (computers).

DVD came a wee bit later - again for both music , films, etc... and also software.

CD has a smaller capacity than DVD.

In the days of '98 the OS would come on CDs as things were less bulky in terms of the way they written; and also DVDs hadn't arrived (if I remember correctly) at that time. Once DVD arrived and the cost dropped... most things started to arrive on DVD.

CDR = write once; CD-RW = write/erase many times

DVDR = same as CDR; DVD-+/-RW = same a CD-RW.

An ISO is an image of a disk that can be downloaded, saved and then burned to a CD or preferably theses days) a DVD. Most ISO (but not all) are too large nowadays to fit on CD...

Linux ISO are generally too large these days for a CD; although there is cut down Linux version (puppyLinux I think) that "may" fit on a CD?

More than likely the disk set that came with this box would have included a boot floppy (1.44Meg). And that would have included the basic set of dos tools to configure a hard drive; inspect it etc... One of those tools would have been Fdisk.

Do you still have the boot floppy?

Occasionally it wasn't provided... (penny pinching) with a pre-installed system; and one was encouraged to make one from within the installed '98 OS. Also the copy of '98 that came with the kit was full Retail version; no clever OEM stuff in those days. And the first disk would usually have been bootable and could be used to re-install the system if needs-be.

Possible way to recover files from the possibly dead or dying drive...

Are you comfortable going inside the case? If so... then power down fully; remove the power cord. Open the case and see if you can physically remove the hard drive from its housing. If so.. Wrap it in a couple of sheets of paper towel; place in plastic bag; squeeze the air as much as you can and seal the bag. Place the bag (with the drive enclosed) in a fridge - NOT the freezer - for about an hour or so...

Remove from fridge; open plastic bag and let the air in. Then remove the drive - still in its paper towel wrapping, and lay it on a flat surface; let it sit for about 5-10minutes; then loosen the paper towel to let air reach the drive itself for about 5 minutes. Then unwrap the drive completely; check no moisture on it - if there is simply gently blot it away with paper towel. Re-install the drive into the computer. Power up and see if it will boot up at all. It "may" and if so it will do so for a wee while; until it warms up somewhat... But often it's long enuff to copy files off to (in this case) floppies or CDR/RW. If it goes down again... repeat the fridge process; you may get away with a few times before it finally refuses to play ball...

This routine has been known to work well - on occasion...; at least until the drive finally says - "enuff" it's b..... cold in there and I'm playing ball anymore..." If you do manage to revive the drive for a while - don't count on using long term; simply acquire a suitable drive to replace it and re-install '98 with the disk set you have?

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July 25, 2014 at 20:05:42
As already mentioned your hard drive appears to be failing. If you want to keep that system going you need to get another drive about the same size as the one in it now (for compatibility issues). Install it as a second drive and then clone the failing drive to the newer one.

Or if you're satisfied with transferring needed files from it to another computer that's fine too.

Let us know if you want to keep it going. It'll take some work on your part.

Don't forget to preorder your Hatch green chili for this fall. Many vendors ship world-wide.

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July 26, 2014 at 12:22:13
I have the "HP Pavilion Recovery" CD that came with the computer. It says
"these DC's contain a backup copy of all software originally installed and can ONLY be used with an HP Pavilion PC" Should I put this into the computer and see if it works?

I turn it on and it will boot up then say being it was not shut down properly etc etc. then it goes to "microsoft Scandisk" gets to 85 % then says "checking more C files," then gets to 85 % again over and over and over, then the screen will go black, and say "unable to find operating system".
It is not really necessary that I get this old 98 up and running as it was just used as a thing to play solitaire with, but if I can't get it going, then we have to take it out and store it somewhere out of the way, as I am afraid to dump it in the trash or even give it away.
At one time it did have a lot of our financial things on it which I deleted but, who knows what a person who is computer savy could get off it. Thanks for everyone's help. I appreciate it. Nicki

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July 26, 2014 at 12:39:29
It does sound as thought the drive is dying a death...?

As regard destroying the contents of the drive... The ideal way is to take it to bits - not that difficult - to access and remove the platters that make up the drive. Then smash them into bits; and as many and a small bits as possible...

Another way is to sit a very powerful magnet on it for a few minutes and then slowly wave it around/over the drive (still assembled) and slowly draw the magnet away from it; repeat this a couple of times... That will make it very difficult for all but the most determined ""hacker" to access contents if anything survives being seriously exposed to magnetic fields...

If the drive was accessible by a utility that write zeros to it then one could do that; often referred to a mid level format (MLF); after-which one would reformat the drive... And another approach - one could simply reformat it a few times (although there are ways to recover data from a formatted drive...).

My Networks instructor (in the late 90s) considered the only safe way to dispose of a drive was to smash it to pieces; burn it and grind the ashes to dust... Then deposit (i.e. scatter) the ashes in the ocean from a "hecilopter". (Check your dictionary of Pooh Bear language). But then he was also involved is military type situations as well...

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July 26, 2014 at 12:52:54
Hi Trvlr:
So then I should NOT try putting the HP Pavilion Recovery CD in?

I can put things ONTO the computer with A CD but can only take things OFF and transfer things to a Floppie

As far as all the other things you mentioned,opening up the computer, taking HD out, refrigerator, magnet, etc. that all over my head LOL! but thank you so very much for all your help.

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July 26, 2014 at 13:57:47
Thought the fridge routine might sound a bit up in the clouds... Actually it has been very successful on many an occasion in getting a (mechanically) failing drive running again - at least long enuff to recover data...

Destroying a drive's contents - before dumping the actual computer is frequently considered a minor issue; and sadly it isn't... At the very least one ought to reformat it a few times...

And if at all inclined... at least bash the drive itself (having removed it from the computer) with a hammer a few times so as to really jam (and hopefully even shatter) the drive platters...; before dumping it.

Is using external cd/dvd-writer an option in terms of copying to larger than floppies...? Presumably the '98 "box" came with a basic usb connection? If so then consider using that approach? Most "burners" come with a basic recording software package to allow burning disks...

If no burner software then this link will give a you "free" - imgburn. download and install etc. on to the '98 "box". If you can't download to it, then download to another computer;save to a cd/dvd-rw (so you can re-use the disk anon); copy from the cd/dvd to the '98 box etc...

Should you use the recovery disk at this stage...? I'd suggest not - at least not until you have explored all other avenues; and also recovered any files you may wish to from the '98 "box".

If you are satisfied that there is nothing of value on the drive at present and you're prepared to go the exercise... then no harm in running the setup disks again... You may even do a simple repair installation... and that very likely would preserve a few things intact too. (More on that aspect anon if you need it...) But it would depend on the actual system being able to access and write properly to the drive...; which you seem to imply it can - even if it won't boot?

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July 26, 2014 at 14:35:22
No the old 98 does not have a usb connection in either the front or in the back. and like I said I could put things onto the computer such as games to play such as
wheel of Fortune Games, and Joy of cooking by using a CD that I bought, but anything that I wanted to take off or transfer, could only be done with a floppie.

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July 26, 2014 at 15:26:43
mmm it's that olde... I guess it's the vintage where one installed a plug-in card with a couple of usb ports on the back...

If it has a parallel port and you have another computer with a parallel port you could connect the two together with cross-over parallel port cable. They're still around... That way you can transfer almost anything between the two computers

Or - network the '98 "box" to your other computers - if it has an add-in network card installed, or an on-board network port (cat-5/ethernet).

Or remove the drive and attach it to another computer with a usb-hard drive adapter; or even physically slave it to another working drive.

Or obtain an internal cd/dvd burner unit; they're really quite cheap these days. It would replace the existing cdrom unit... and give you full access to cd/dvd recording... Physically remover the current cdrom and replace it with the burner; connecting as was the cdrom.

For the price of an internal cd/dvd burner and a little time you could increase the functionality of it a little; but without an add-in usb card installed too it will be very limited by current standards...

But all of these may be more than you feel inclined to do...

It would be vulnerable too if going on-line, as very few anti-virus still utilities support early Windows OS; and Internet Explorer for that OS is very dated and vulnerable. Likely you would have to use Firefox or Chrome or Iron - if they '98 at all nowadays.

Which having said... many of use keep an old box as an emergency system... and often put Linux on it; as that OS is pretty safe from most of the pests about...

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July 27, 2014 at 13:46:53
Hi Trvlr:
Boy! the things you are telling me are way over my head. LOL
My old HP 98 was purchased for me as a Christmas Gift in 2000 and worked great until I retired it in about 2009-2010 when I bought a new Dell desktop and then later a Dell Laptop.
I have not had the 98 connected to internet since then.
You said people often put Linux on old computers, but, would that work with mine it it says "cannot find Operating System" ? probably not.
Thanks for all your help and patience. I just wish I knew as much about computers as you do. Nicki

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July 27, 2014 at 14:13:58
Initially you can simply boot the system with a Linux dvd. It will load itself into the RAM only and then once booted to a desktop it runs not unlike Windows (although in a very general sense). Once booted up you can look for the hard drive and see what's on it...

If the system will load Linux as above then likely the main hardware is ok - with the possible exception of the hard drive (for the reasons already alluded to above by others here).

You can also opt to install Linux to the hard drive, and if successful will set itself as default operating system to boot - via a boot-menu (similar to that for Windows).

However.. There is wee bit more to that approach if wanting a dual boot, as you would be Linux/Windows-98; whereas Linux/Windows XP etc. is a little easier.

If the system will boot into Linux - running off the dvd - not installed onto the hard drive, then likely (if the drive is ok) it will install to the hard drive both dual boot and on its own on its own; and that could/would mean Windows 98 was deleted...

If you want go dual boot approach post back. Similarly if wishing to make it Linux only.

But first download the ISO for Ubuntu as above and burn to a dvd - which then use the dvd to test out Linux (without installing it to the hard drive). Use more current computer (one with cd/dvd burner) to download the ISO and burn to a dvd.

Pending getting a replacement hard drive you could at least boot up the Linux disk and go on-line etc...?

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July 27, 2014 at 15:49:24
Awhile back I had gotten a Ubuntu DVD sent to me in the mail, don't remember if I saved it or threw it away, will have to check.
Question about Linux or Ubuntu. is that something you have to pay for monthly? like Earthlink or other IPO's? or is it something that you can download and then log on internet free?
Another question please, I will have to buy a pack of DVD's so do I need DVD-R? or DVD-RW? Thanks again. Nicki

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July 27, 2014 at 16:17:51
As best I know all Linux disks are free if you download the ISO and then burn to a dvd. Some sites will of course make small charge if you want a disk of their variant shipped to.

There is no subscription routine; and much like M$ windows each variant is frequently updated...

Some of more common variants of the original Linux are: Ubuntu, Debian, Knoppix, Puppy Linux (I believe this variant is a slimmed down variant?).

While you can use DVD+/-R or DVD +/-RW.. I generally favour using RW disks. It allows a given disk to be re-used in the future... Also +RW is usually more available than -RW; and I favour using +R/RW disks, unless recording tv sources on my Panasonic PVR

Both will work on any computer; but +R/+RW isn't always supported on some brands of domestic television/video recorders. Some Panasonic PVR (to name but one brand) may not accept +R/+RW disk for recording; but will play both +R/RW and -R/-RW fine.

I also personally avoid bulk bargain packs if I don't know or recognise the brand; especially serious/critical data storage... Established branded disks are usually around for a fair/decent price?

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July 27, 2014 at 16:38:22
Oh Boy! they come as + or - I thought a DVD was a DVD. the Ad I saw was for 100 DVD+R for $25 (might have been DVD-R) said regular $35 Now I cant find the ad to see the brand name. there was no W on it, just the R and I think it was a + so would that be a good price?
I bet you are rolling your eyes about now. LOL

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July 27, 2014 at 17:09:43
Many use R rather than RW as they're invariably cheaper regardless of which flavour they are.

Bulk buying is logically cheaper too. And both big name brands, and those as it were badged by the vendor or store, do "deals" which can allow for the odd duff disk cropping up, and still be good deal. I have a 100 stack of Sony cdr and one of those was faulty a while back... Many say they have no problems with non-main brand disks.

Often I test a disk creation by using an RW disk initially; and then copy to R later, or create an R disk afresh.

DVD+R is a common deal, as is CDR in bulk numbers. DVD-R equally so at times. But DVD+R is the more common, and I'd incline to it...

For $25 you could afford to take a notional gamble?

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July 27, 2014 at 19:49:22
A couple of things to think about...

How much memory is on the computer? Win98 can run with 16mb of RAM. There may not be enough to run a live CD of Linux.

Win 98 will support a CD or DVD burner. Finding hardware/software will be the biggest issue. Most everything you find nowadays is SATA. You'll need IDE and it usually costs more - if you can find it.

Not all computers of 2000 vintage will boot to a CD. It needs to be supported in BIOS.

You probably do not meet the hardware requirements for any current version of Linux.

If it was my computer and I wanted to save it I would replace the hard drive with one closest in size to what it has now, again it will be IDE. It may not recognize the full capacity even then. The new drive would be set up as master and I'd run the HP restore CD's that you have.

Then, I'd connect the old drive configured as a slave and copy all the files I wanted to the new drive. Once that was done I'd remove it.

You may have to configure BIOS to recognize the new drive.

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July 28, 2014 at 01:58:55
Excellent comments and advice from DanJ above. I hadn't really considered whether or not your system would have/hold adequate RAM to support current Linux variants.

If per chance you needed an earlier version of whichever variant likely they are on the site of the one you opt to use; or can be found via a google trawl.

A clearance house might have a suitable internal burner; and I have seen new units about too in the not too distant past.

Installing a replacement hard drive is relatively simple. And one can also clone the old drive to new, providing it holds up long enough to allow it.

Incidentally did you try a windows 98 repair installation routine? This in effect re-installs the OS over itself...,; and as the disks you have are more than likely retail disks, with an hp "badge", it might be viable? Although you still have a failing hard drive, so better to replace it and "start afresh"...?

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July 28, 2014 at 15:19:44
Hi Trvlr and DanJ:
The 98 came with a whopping 64MB RAM, then I took that out and replaced it with 2 new 128MB sticks for a grand total of 256MB WOW !
Thank you both for trying so hard to help me but, the things you are suggesting are so far over my head that it is spinning. When I got the windows 98 computer, I did not even know how to turn it on, let alone work it, plus all of the words used, such as boot up, drag and drop, control-alt-delete. and LOL, these were all Greek to me. (some of them still are) so I think I am just going to take the old 98 and store it away in the loft of the garage and forget about it. but thanks again.

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July 28, 2014 at 16:36:49
Nicki, I take it you are a registered nurse by your screen name. You can do this.

If you get a new IDE hard drive...

The hardest part is opening the case. Unplug the computer first. There are two connectors on the old hard drive, a power (4 wire) and data (flat 40 or 80 pin cable) connector. Disconnect both and remove the old drive.

Put the new drive in. Plug both connectors in.

Turn the computer on. You'll very likely have to configure BIOS for the new drive. You may have to press a key, usually F1 or the ESC key.

Enter the parameters from the new drive - it may autodetect the new drive. Then follow the HP restore process. When done it'll look like it did when you first brought it home..

You could also:

1. Install the new drive. There should be two connectors on the data (flat) cable.
2. Usually you get software to "clone" the drive with a new drive. Boot the computer and and follow the instructions.
3. When done disconnect the old drive and close. It should appear just as it does now.


1. Install the new drive.
2. Run the HP restore.
3. Install the old drive, as per above.
4. Boot the computer, configure BIOS, and you should see both drives now in Windows Explorer.
5 Copy your data from the old to the new drive.

NOTE: You could hook both drives up at once but this eliminates the possibility of accidentally wiping out the data on the old drive.

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July 29, 2014 at 13:40:52
do you believe it?
Today before I was going to take out the computer, monitor and printer, I thought I would try one more time.
turned it on an Bingo, it booted up, to my desktop with all my folder with things that I wanted to retrieve, I quickly got the only 2 floppies I had left, and put them in and clicked onto "send to" then clicked " Floppie A" and it transfered, so I worked as fast as I could to get the other ones off, whoopie! got them all off, just now put the floppies into my Dell Desktop and they are all on and showing.
So I am going to try later on with the Windows 98 Recovery Disc I have to go to the pharmacy to pick up my husbands medicine, It is 3 discs, so have to wait a while until I get back, Hope the computer is still working when I get back.
Do you think it will work or not?
And Yes I am a Registered Nurse, well I was, but am now retired.
Well it just now started to make that brump! brump sound again then the mouse froze couldn't get off so had to do a hard shut-down. At least I got everything off and then deleted the files and folder in the recycle bin then emptied it. LOL!

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July 29, 2014 at 16:33:25
Does sound a little like the drive is dying... Is the sound/noise perhaps a little like clicks (possibly lower in tone than higher); or is more like series of buzzing and burps (the sound a drive makes when being accessed on occasion - especially drives of that vintage)?

But it may also be simply overheating and then the OS doesn't work properly as the cpu (the "brains" of the thing) gets all hot 'n bothered... ; and it can't access the drive properly and the rodent also gets stuck...

You might check that all cooling fans are running OK - and if you can go inside the case then check the mini-fan on the cpu is also running - and that none of the ventilation holes and fans blades/ports various are full of dust 'n fluff...

That you have now recovered all you want off the drive (phew...) means you can try a rebuild with the disks you have; and if it goes awry then you've lost nothing... And you may be able to find a replacement hard drive to rebuild on that with the disks you have.

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July 29, 2014 at 18:20:09
HI Trvlr: No, it is not a clicking or a buzzing , it sort of sounds like driving really, really slow on a flat tire, Brump, brump, brump!
The computer is up high on a shelf,in a tight corner, and the monitor and keyboard are down on the desk. so it is kind of hard to get to, to work on. I'm almost 83 years old, (and feel like 103 ) but, maybe in a day or two I can manage it, and will see if it is full of dirt. which it probably is.LOL ! Thanks again Nicki

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July 29, 2014 at 18:26:12
Hi Danj:
I copied and pasted your instructions and put it in a folder on my desktop.
thanks, But what do you mean by "configure BIOS for the new drive"

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July 29, 2014 at 20:26:51
If you were to add a second drive, in fhis case for purposes of cloning the failing drive or copying files from it, you may need to go into bios setup and make sure the drive is seen OK there. But since you got everything off of it you needed--and assuming it is going bad--you'd just take the old one out and replace it with a working similar capacity drive, making sure it's connected and jumpered the same as the original one. Since the bios already is set to see the old one it would also see the newer one since it was 'in the same place' so to speak. Then you'd use the disks you have to reinstall 98.

Don't forget to preorder your Hatch green chili for this fall. Many vendors ship world-wide.

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July 30, 2014 at 13:03:04
today I turned on the 98 and it immediately went black, and a sign coming up over and over again saying"Unable to find Operating systems" so I turned it off, then 10 minutes later turned it back on and it came up to my desktop with no trouble.
I got on and started looking for things that I wanted to delete, and found our "Family Trust" which had all of our checking and savings acct. numbers. our IRA accts, Mutual funds, Annuities, etc, I almost passed out,! so I quickly put it onto a floppie disc. checked it on my Dell desktop to make sure it was on it,then deleted the file on the 98 desktop, then emptied the Recycle Barrel again.
I then put several other things onto the floppie, such as all the books I have and my collectable tea pots. then deleted the files and emptied the recycle barrel again, just then, the computer started with that brump, brump and the mouse froze, so got off again.l LOL!
I am going to transfer all the Floppies to a DVD, when I buy some.
I have two 8GB Flash Drive's and also a 16GB Flash Drive, maybe I will try to see if I can transfer to one of those.( They are still in the unopened package, I bought them last year) Would that be "Removable Disk E" ?

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July 30, 2014 at 14:31:30
The flash drives get their letter when attached and discovered by the operating system; subject to a few basic/default rules...

If you were currently to install a usb connection to the '98 box you have, and then connect a single flash drive - then it would be "E". The usb devices get their letters assigned starting with the one immediately after all physically installed hard drive(s) and cd/dvdrom have been given theirs. Your '98 box currently has an A floppy; no B floppy; a C: hard drive; and D: cdrom. So the first usb device attached will be "E".

The way computers labels disks is:

A = floppy drive
B = floppy drive

In the days when one had a single floppy (and no cd/dvd) it was by default "A"; add a second floppy drive and it became "B"

A and B are still reserved by default to floppy drives (physically installed inside the case); even if there is no floppy installed, nor space/provision for one.

C = the first Primary on the first hard drive - and in the olde days one only had one hard drive (unless one was flush with spare cash).

If a cdrom went in then it became "D".

Things moved on a wee bit though...

A hard drive can have a single partition (within reason and it will be Primary - if it's the only drive installed). However if it has two partitions - and in the days of 'dos/95/'98/ME that was not uncommon... (and actually a preferred/better way to go even today - at least for many of us) - then if there was only a single drive with both Primary and a second partition (an Extended partition) "that second" partition became "D". Which meant that the cdrom was bumped along to be "E" . The poor olde cdrom is last in the food queue...

Where it gets just a little more involved is if the single hard drive has two or more Primary partitions. By default M$ OS label all Primary partitions in order; starting with those in the first physical hard drive; and then if there is second hard drive present - it moves on to the second physical hard drive (if it's there and has one or more Primary partitions). After that the labeling starts again following on from the last letter used for a Primary and starts to label Extended partitions etc.; starting with those on the first physical drive installed, moving onto the second afterwards...

Finally - at some stage the olde cdrom gets assigned the next letter in the alphabet when all drive partitions have been satisfied...

If you now introduce any external storage device (another usb connected hard drive; or a usb-memory stick/flash drive/jump drive (whatever you want to call it) then that will get the next letter available after all physically internally installed hard drives (partitions), cd/dvdrom etc. have been tagged/labeled. So if you had installed in your computer say: floppy drive "A"; but no floppy drive "B"; and a hard drive "C" - with one Primary partition "only" and no extended partition; then the cdrom = "D"; and thus the first device attached via usb will be "E"; and the second will be "F" - and so on...

Remove (eject correctly) a usb device and its (temporary) letter is free to be assigned anew to the next usb device attached.

If you had "E" and "F" usb devices attached, and then ejected "E" - "F" would remain "F" until either you rebooted the system; or ejected "F" and then reconnected it again. It would then take whatever is the next letter available after all physically installed devices have ben labeled/tagged accordingly. So just because a given flash drive may have been say "G" on one occasion it doesn't follow that it will be "G" the next time its connected. It all depends on how many other usb devices are there, and in which order the operating system find and labels them (when the Operating System is fully booted up).

To quote a very famous tv ad character - Alexander (from - "simples" eh...

And if the above hasn't completely fuddled your gray cells... a little "light reading":

And just to make it all even more irritating... With NT/W2K/XP/win-7/win-8 a lot of the above can be tweaked to be labeled as whatever you want it to be... In other words once you get into NT and the whole family on that tree things really do change...

Nursing must seem very "simples - eh" after the above...?

Have to say I have my suspicions about the state of health of hard drive...; and also possibly a failing memory stick; but the hard drive is top of the list... If the drive was in Casualty/ER I might be wondering if it was really heading for the ICU; and then not so long afterwards - cold storage pending coroner's reports etc...

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July 30, 2014 at 15:39:47
Hi Trlvr: LOL You are so funny.
My old 98 does NOT have a ISB anywhere on it , front, back or side. and the only thing I could transfer to was/is a 31/2 inch Floppie.
I got everything I needed transferred from the old 98 to the Floppies, now I am going to put them onto either a DVD or a Flash Drive using my DELL Windows XP Desktop computer.
When I click onto "my Computer" it will bring me to "rives with removable Storage"
3 1/2 inch Floppie (A) DVD-RW (D) Removable Disk (E)
So I think that the Flash Drive would go into the USB port, and it would be (E) or would it ?
What I would do is, put the Floppie into my Dell Desktop, and also put in a new DVD or Flash Drive in the USB Then hopefully I can "send" the contents of the Floppie to the DVD or Flash Drive.
Am I making any sense? LOL and yes, RN State Board was a LOT easier than all this computer stuff. thanks for ALL the hard work you have done for me. I really do appreciate it,more than you know.

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July 30, 2014 at 16:11:42
Yup... Your good ole Dell - configured as you say - will show the first flash drive connected as "E". And if you have a spare usb port and connected as second flash drive with "E" still connected, the the second one will be "F".

And your plan to transfer the floppy data - via the Dell - to dvd will work fine.

Suggest that you make two sets of those floppy to dvd transfers. Store them separately (suitably labeled too of course); as disks can get lost or broken...

Likewise get into the habit of duplicating all your personal files etc. off the Dell onto cd/dvd too. Ideally very time you make a new (important) folder and/or file and stored on the Dell hard drive, make a copy to dvd. That way if things ever go pear-shaped... and the patient/computer is rapidly heading for ICU or the freezer... your personal stuff is already safely duplicated elsewhere. Sadly so very few ever make those copies off the system - and only realise their potential value when it's often too late.

Incidentally flash drives are not really intended for long term storage; more short term and obvious portability - a bit like the olde floppy used to be way back when... Cd/dvd is much better for long term storage; and copies ought to be checked at intervals too - to ensure they're still ok. Ideally at intervals even renew those copies - duplicate the original cd/dvds to newer/fresher disks. Even better is to have both optical disk storage (cd/dvd) and an external hard drive. The external drive being another secure way to safeguard data. Having two forms of storage means even less likely to lose those important files as seldom will two different storage media fail at the same time - unless you're really unlucky...

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July 30, 2014 at 17:23:26
Floppies to transfer the files are your best bet right now. Once you get them on the other computer back them up to something else - CD or flash.

Flash will last a while. I had some that I'd misplaced and over 5 years later everything was readable.

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July 31, 2014 at 13:48:04
Hi guys:
Got everything off the old 98 EXCEPT a Photo Album with 18 pictures of ancestry folks, like my mothers Great grandma and Grandpa, Me when I was 15 months old, etc.
The Album would not transfer but I was able click onto "my pictures" and they were all on that, but, those pictures are all so small, and I can't get them any larger like I can with the photo Album, but I did get them onto 2 floppies, and of course, my printer with the old 98 is out of black ink, so have to get some and then see if I can get it working long enough to print out the pictures ,I already have a few of the pictures printed but still need about 7 or 8 more off, then I will junk the computer up in the garage loft, (unless I drop it getting it off the high book shelf) then I will dump it in the trash LOL! once again thanks for all your help. Nicki

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July 31, 2014 at 14:14:12
If you want to recover those pics (in that album) - don't dump the hard drive if/when you dump the computer itself... Remove the drive and it can be connected a couple of ways to another system and then those files can be copied over to wherever...

It's not hard to remove a drive; looks worse than it really is. Much like removing an appendix...; or a rhinoplasty (which operation I have seen many times...).

Does the '98 box have a network card installed? Presumably your Dell does?

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July 31, 2014 at 14:32:54
Hey Trvlr:
sounds like you are a nurse too.
I don't even know what a network card

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July 31, 2014 at 15:10:45
Hi Nicki:

No - I worked for a couple of years at Medical Sciences - U of T (in Ontario) in the 70s, running the Media Instruction Services - mostly tv... We ran it as a broadcast facility - modeled on the BBC (as was... and sadly is no more); and we had "very high" (true broadcast professional) standards...

Besides making instruction media (tapes) for medical students, and workshops; and also training tapes for patients to use at home - for say dialysis - we also used to feed closed cct. tv "cosmetic and other surgery" at times to conference/convention audiences from all over the place... Rhinoplasty was a stock event... Some of the comments, and asides from the "surgeons etc." were priceless...; pure MASH and more... I learned a lot in those days re' allopathics and related areas; and also have other non-conventional (alternative) health qualifications too in my back pocket... CST, and Kinesiology to name two...

A network card has a small input port/socket that looks very like a phone socket - but is slightly larger. In the days of '98 such a connection port/jack was on a plug-in/add-in card one installed into a desktop/tower computer. Today most computers have one built into the motherboard itself; with the actual jack/port on the back or side of the case...

If you had such a card installed, then it might have been rather simple matter to access the drive over a network from your Dell; and then transfer those pics. to the Dell.

Does your '98 box have a parallel printer port on the back; and does you Dell have also? Likely it may even have a label saying "printer" or lpt1 over it?

It looks like this on the back of a computer:

(image to the right at the top of the page)

If so then for the price of special cable you can connect the Del and '98 box together, using those parallel ports, and copy the files that way to the Dell...

Again - if you decide to dump the computer itself - remove the drive and keep safe. And at some future time you will be able to recover those pics... (presuming the drive will spin up long enough). It will not be asked to boot up; merely connected physically to another computer asked to allow itself to be accessed from that other computer.

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July 31, 2014 at 16:49:24
I don't remember anything looking like that on the back of the 98, and when I got another printer 3 years ago it was not like that thing, it was a sort of square plug that went into the back of the computer, I had to get it on Ebay because it was so old and all the newer printers had different plug ins, I went to about 5 or 6 computer stores and none of them had a printer that would go with the old HP Windows 98.

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