Have 2 hard drives can i add another?

Amd / XP2000
August 25, 2009 at 08:41:25
Specs: Ubuntu, 3.2ghz/2gig
Hi I have only every had two hard drives in any machine. Can i add another? What i have in this machine is two sata drives and I am new to the world of sata as i have only every had ide drives. My objective is to plug in another sata drive if i can because for some reason the external enclosure it is in is not being recognised by either this machine or my other one that has windows on it. The enclosure is fairly new but the drive is something i harvested out of someone else's machine. I was using it for a couple of months before it stopped being recognised.
I want to find out if the enclosure is the problem or the hard drive plsu i have some data on there that i want. I do not have any spare sata drives to stick in the enclosure to see if all is well or not plus the thing that confuses me is the connections on the drives are different to the 160gig one that is sitting in the enclosure so i am not sure how i could connect it anyway. I thought of putting it as the secondary drive in the desktop but the connectors don't fit on anything on the drive. Neither the data or power cables. The other thing that has puzzled me about this machine is that the bios doesn't see these drives because they are not ide they are not listed in the boot sequence part of the bios. I don't honestly know how the machine boots??? The machine had windows on it when it was given to me over 6 months ago and the former owner said he always had problems with it but he is not very good with computers at all so I said i would take it. I straight away put DreamLinux on it I think and it worked really well. Now I have Ubuntu on it because i am too much of a beginner in the Linux world. Anyway i have some snapshots of the drives in my machine and the connections on the board so I can post them if needed plus I should get a pic of the 160gig drive that is sitting in the enclosure. Oh and the MB information as soon as I reboot as i have forgotten it. I am not very good at reading/understanding MB manuals yet so i wouldn't know if my objective is something that i can do or not. Not that experienced yet! Would appreciate some advice....thanks guys!!! :0)
P4P800-E Motherboard.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#1
August 25, 2009 at 10:13:29
Short answer is yes. First, here's your motherboard manual.

http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb...

Description of motherboard connectors starts on page 47 (2-25) of the manual. The oops! page is page 49 (2-27); you can run a total of 6 drives (hdd and optical) under W2K or XP but only 4 drives under Win9x or DOS. Note the "required IDE configuration setting in BIOS" chart.

Since no mention is made of Linux, worst case scenario is that you have a maximum of 4 drives available. Examples would be 2 hdd's and 2 optical drives or 3 hdd's and 1 optical drive, etc.

What you need to make clear to us now is the manufacturer and model numbers of the drives you'd like to use; all of 'em, as in both hdd and optical drives.

Are you able to install Windows 2000 or XP on this machine? It might be necessary if you want to be able to configure for 6 total drives.

Pics would be fine. We need to know how it's all configured now.

Skip


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#2
August 25, 2009 at 20:36:28
Mmmmmm it is a lot more complicated than i thought. I am sticking with linux as i already run a windows machine offline and that is enough. Too many security issues with windows and linux just works.
Thanks for the manual will study it later tonight as it is sunny outside and plus there is an astronomy thing on earlier tonight. I am finding it hard to get the enclosure open for some reason today so will try also again later. Here is a pic of the sata drives attached to the board right now http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/...
I have one optical drive attached to the machine as Ubuntu for some reason doesn't like two optical drives. Dream Linux likes two as I used that recently.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#3
August 26, 2009 at 06:19:55
Finally got the hard drive enclosure open and this is a pic of the 160gig sata hard drive i had in it http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/...

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#4
August 26, 2009 at 07:30:50
More info from my bios which is Amibios Version 1004.001 Build date 09/24/04
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/...
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/...
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/...
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/...
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/...
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/...

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#5
August 26, 2009 at 19:21:03
Here's a hint...turn off the flash when you take a picture of the screen.

I'm curious why you need so many drives? What are the capacities?


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#6
August 26, 2009 at 19:45:35
No I had to add some brightness contrast when editing the pics after i transferred them to the computer as they were too dark and unreadable.

My first post addresses what your saying. I want to read the third drive as I don't know why the system doesn't recognise it within the external enclosure.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#7
September 3, 2009 at 08:49:31
OK well i am still not able to mount this drive in the enclosure and it is a http://www.samsung.com/me/products/... so i guess i will try and get some kind of adapter from ebay as i have reinstalled the OS's on my linux box plus not heard from anyone.

Sorry SkipCox- I just reread your post and here is more then what you asked for as far as system info:
Computer
Processor 2x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz
Memory 2074MB (251MB used)
Operating System Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.2
User Name rapattack (Dreamlinux User)
Date/Time Sun 30 Aug 2009 06:08:51 PM EST
Display
Resolution 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer GeForce4 Ti 4400/AGP/SSE2
X11 Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Multimedia
Audio Adapter ICH4 - Intel ICH5
Audio Adapter MPU-401 UART - MPU-401 UART
Input Devices
Macintosh mouse button emulation
AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
HID 04b3:310b
Power Button (FF)
Power Button (CM)
Printers
No printers found
IDE Disks
PIODATA DVD-RW DVR-108DX
SCSI Disks
ATA WDC WD360GD-00FL
ATA WDC WD360GD-00FL

and yes i would like what you said 4 drives if that will solve me being able to read the 160gig drive that is listed above in the url.
Sorry i have been slow with this info but I am not well due to a disability and i am trying my hardest. :0)

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#8
September 3, 2009 at 09:08:15
All SATA data connectors are the same. The power connector for SATA is different than IDE but a simple adapter can turn a Molex into a SATA type.

Explain why you think you need adapters. Look at the link below to see what a SATA data cable looks like. Also the power connector.

http://images.google.com/images?q=S...


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#9
September 3, 2009 at 09:43:16
Yeah mine are not the same. The power cable for ide that i am used to is not for the 160gig hard drive that i want to put into this machine. The drives that are internal take power cable that are the same as the the ide drives do. That is the only difference that i can see. I have some pics in another post where i am talking a little of this issue but mostly about the 160gig inside the enclosure that i was trying to mount. Because i can't i want to put the 160gig into the machine to see if the thing is working. I will try and get the pics from the other post/thread so that you can see the difference in the drives.

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#10
September 18, 2009 at 08:36:11
Well i sent the enclosure and the hard drive to my uncle that has a computer shop. The hard drive is dead! Ah well it did work for a while but will now try and find the money to put another hard drive in it that is new ofcourse.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#11
September 27, 2009 at 03:22:24
I have noticed something else. The two sata drives already in the machine have both got jumpers on them next to the power cable. I don't know if this is right. I don't know much about raid and all that. They are plugged into the board separately and there is another sata drive connection there that says raid that is available. I attached another sata drive someone gave me to the raid connection but i got no reaction from the bios/system. Is this being blocked by the jumpers being wrong?
Ultimately i also do not know if the sata drive i am using this time round into the raid connection is working either. I got it from a machine i found in an alleyway in suburb. I also tried the same drive in the external enclosure and windows didn't see it. I don't think there was anything that i remember. I didn't check the bios with the windows desktop/machine that i have. In my linux machine i used gparted and it was there. I formatted but am not confident with the mount commands so got no further.

I also stuck a spare ide drive in the linux machine. At first because it was on the master part of the cable it tried to boot into windows 98 which was installed on the machine it came out of...was found in the same alleyway on the same day but in a different machine. I then put it on the end of the cable and set it as a 3rd boot device in the boot priority and everything was better.

My point is as i said i think things could be better if i knew how the jumpers should be set on the sata drives and maybe a third sata could be installed in the tower. Maybe the jumpers are blocking me putting in a 3rd drive? I think also the cables (data) are not plugged in the right place on the board. The dvd drive is plugged into the blue slot and that should be for hard drives in a dominent ide environment?

Is this right? Sorry still very much an ameteur and trying to get the best out of what i have......thanks

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#12
September 27, 2009 at 11:20:59
That jumper is to force the drive to run at SATA I speeds, should that be necessary.

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#13
September 27, 2009 at 20:17:29
Oh OK thanks OtheHill.
So do you know much about that raid connection on the board? Is that supposed to be a usable thing when i already have two sata drives connected or is my only option to connect ide drives to the ide data cables to add more drives?
The existing sata drives are great but i am going to be editing more videos so it would be nice to have more space to put the files onto.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#14
September 28, 2009 at 04:22:30
Look at BIOS settings for the RAID controller to see if you can use the connections separately or not. Or read the manual for the board.

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#15
September 28, 2009 at 06:17:47
Do you mean read the bios? What is BPOS? This page
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/... from the manual seems to suggest i can have 6 drives in this machine.
This is the first page on raid http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/... and http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/... . There is a couple more pages ...should i capture them for you to see because it is not making 100% sense to me.

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#16
September 29, 2009 at 07:46:06
I just saw something else in the bios.
Onboard Promise controller DISABLED .
Should i enable so i can use that spare connection?

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#17
September 29, 2009 at 16:07:25
That is what I was talking about above. You should be able to run a single drive on that controller. You will need to install the Promise Controller drivers. They should be on the motherboard disk.

Should you ever want to boot from that controller you will need to install the Promise drivers when installing the OS. If all you want to do is use it for storage then just enable the Promise controller in the BIOS and Window should find new hardware. If WinXP can't install drivers for it then you will need to install them manually.


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#18
September 29, 2009 at 20:55:05
Ah ok that is interesting. I am glad i found that bit in the bios. The bios on this machine is so much more complicated than any machine i have come across before. Will enable then as i am only using it for storage but i use linux so we'll see what happens. Thanks OtheHill your always informative. Will report back once i put the drive in to tell you how i went!

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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#19
October 2, 2009 at 09:15:44
I got it mounted!!! Yippee. Can't believe how many drives can be in this machine. Nice score since it was given to me by a neighbour that thought it was faulty! Well he doesn't know anything about computers!

"The meaning of life is to be happy and useful" Tenzin Gyatso the 14th Dalai Lama


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