Hard Drive Master & Slave

November 26, 2007 at 11:13:17
Specs: Vista Ult., 2.5GB

I have an IBM Deskstar 180GB hard drive which I want to install into my computer. I have had to change beacause my old one was rubbish. I have kept my other drive which is only about 30GB to keep all my files on. I have tried to install Windows 2000 to then upgrade to Vista because 2000 is the only Windows Operating System that is bootable. I try and format it and it says it is only 7000mb odd of disk space. I have then tried to connect it externally to this laptop to try and format is, it says its only 24GB? What is going on? I think it might have something to do with the jumper settings n the back of the drive. They are as follows:
There are options for "16 Heads" and "15 Heads". Then they are:
Device 0 (Master)
Device 1 (Slave)
Cable Selcet
Forcing Dev 1 Present
Then it says the sane options for a "32GB Clip" or "Auto Spin Disable". Which on earth do I choose!?

Many Thanks,
Joseph Middletn


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#1
November 26, 2007 at 11:32:03

First of all you need to determine if your computer can use the 180GB drive. Your computer must be 48 bit LBA compliant in order to use a harddrive larger than 127GB. Partitioning will do no good if your system is not compliant.

Describe ALL the drives currently installed in the computer and state how they are connected to the MBoard. What I need to know is if the current drives are on one cable and there is another connector available on the MBoard. The second IDE connector will be right next to the one in use now. If both are now in use describe which drives are connected where.


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#2
November 26, 2007 at 11:46:54

Hi,
I currently have a Seagate Barracuda 32GB Hard Drive and my old drive was an 80GB Nikimi drive. The Seagate has no jumpers on it as it says that to use the slave do not put any jumpers on it. The cable has 3 connections on it, one on one end and 2 at another end. My mother board is the Asus A8V-VM. I have also stuck it in a caddy and connected it to this laptop, it says after formatting it, the If you need any more info please don't hesitate to ask. Thanks very much for deciding to help me.

Many Thanks,
Jophster


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#3
November 26, 2007 at 12:00:18

jopster

Do you have CD/dvd drive/s? How are they connected? That is what I asked you above.


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#4
November 26, 2007 at 12:04:51

Hi. Sorry didnt know you wanted those too,
I have an LG Ultra Speed CD-RW Drive (Slave) and an LG DVD+-RW Drive (Master). It has the same kind of cable as the Hard Drives. Hope this helps... Not sure if you canted to know about how they are connected to my motherboard. If you want to know, I can take a picture of it if you think that would help.
Many Thanks,
Joseph a.k.a Jophster

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#5
November 26, 2007 at 12:12:23

Picture is not necessary. So you think the current 32GB drive is set as a slave? Is ther another drive of any kind connected to the same cable as the 32GB? Is the 32GB connected in the center of the cable or on the end? Normally no jumper will indicate Master setting.

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#6
November 26, 2007 at 12:17:29

Hi. No the drive is plugged in at the end of the cable. Im just checking the jumper settings on that now. I will get back to you soon about that.
Many Thanks,
Joseph

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#7
November 26, 2007 at 12:29:48

Hi,
Try going to www.jophster.com/images/
There are some images that might help, im not sure. Also, the hard drive thats the slave just to confirm, it says that for the drive to be a slave it must have no jumpers on it.
Hope this helps.
Jophster

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#8
November 26, 2007 at 12:44:44

To simplify this process I will expain jumper basics. You can either use CS(cable select) OR Master/ slave. You cannot mix the two. So, you need to jumper the drive to suit and connect to the same cable as the 32GB also connect a power connector. Boot the computer and watch the POST screens at startup. ALL drives should be identified by model number, which, in HDs includes the size as part of the model. If you do see all drives by model then all you need to do is to jumper the 32GB as slave and the new drive as Master. No need to move the cables around. Now enter your BIOS at the next boot and set the boot order to CD before the HDrive. Below is a link to the jumper settings.

http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/suppo...


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#9
November 26, 2007 at 12:53:08

Thanks for your help. I will give that a try. I will do that now. I will set them both to CABLE SELECT but which cable select should i choose on the IMB drive, the options are:
16 Heads CABLE SELECT
15 Heads CABLE SELCET
32GB Clip CABLE SELECT
Auto Spin Disable CABLE SELECT
Not quite sure which one to use as the master.

Jophster


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#10
November 26, 2007 at 13:04:08

Loading WIN 2K Boot Files. Will let you know how I get on...

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#11
November 26, 2007 at 13:11:20

What's the model number of the IBM drive?

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#12
November 26, 2007 at 13:12:47

Right, well when it was loading it saide something like DISK I/O Error with a lengthy status number and yet it carried on loading, the disk that was the slave was fine but the 185GB master was saying capacity of 40440MB (About 40GB).
Any ideas?

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#13
November 26, 2007 at 13:30:35

Trying to install Win 2K with the only drive connected.

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#14
November 26, 2007 at 13:39:51

What service pack is integrated into the version of Win2000 that you are using?

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#15
November 26, 2007 at 14:34:56

I have no idea. I am going to have another go tomorrow morning and Im going to get Hitatchi on the phone and have a rant at them about it. Just really frustrated that I could not get it to work tonight. I will keep you updated and thanks so much for your help today. Your are a credit to Computing.net.
Thanks again,
Jophster

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#16
November 26, 2007 at 14:45:35

Did you look at the link I posted in #8. It will explain all you need to know about the jumpers. Use 16 heads. Use the Master with slave settings and leave the cable connections as they are. If you don't have at least SP3 on the Win2000 CD you will need to partition the drive and create the primary partition to be less than 127GB in order for Win2000 to properly mount it.

If you don't know what service pack is on the CD assume it is SP1 and partition smaller. After Windows is setup you can then deal with the second partition.

I suggest you use maybe 30GBs for your primary partition and leave the rest unallocated. Then install to the 30GB. Format NTFS default.


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#17
November 26, 2007 at 21:21:23

HEY

What's the model number of the IBM drive?


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#18
November 26, 2007 at 21:29:18

DAVE

The only IBM Deskstar listed is this one.

http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/suppo...


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#19
November 26, 2007 at 23:33:34

It looks like the 180GXP (if that's what he's got) is a line of drives and not a specific model number:

http://www.storagereview.com/IC35L1...

The models in that series start at 30 gig and go up to 180.

My concern was this might be another instance of the user misinterpreting a model number and coming up with the wrong capacity.


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#20
November 27, 2007 at 07:38:15

im going to put in my two cents
you might find the two drives arent compatible with each other.

i never thought this was possible but i had it happen with a segate 200gb and a 30gb drive. i found funny things happend in the bios like the drive sizes changed or one drive disapeared. confused the hell out of me
but this might be the case

all text needs typos. There there for the reader to find,to distract them from the total lack of content.
google it! wasnt the answer to the question i asked so dont be dense and give me that repl


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#21
November 27, 2007 at 08:38:58

jophster

Did you look at the diagram of the jumpers?

I am assumming the OP knows how to read a label. He has been handling the drives.


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#22
November 27, 2007 at 10:26:37

Hi,
Its definately 180GB and yes I have looked at that website link at have set it up like you said, it said that it only had 40GB capacity when installing it with Win2K. Im going to give it another go now by setting the IMB Deskstar as master and the Segate Barracuda as my slave. I will then load up and press "any key" to go into the Win2K set up. I will post with my findings...

Many Thanks,
Joseph a.k.a Jophster


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#23
November 27, 2007 at 10:49:57

How are your partitioning and formatting the disk? What tools are you using?

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#24
November 27, 2007 at 10:58:32

I am using the Windows 2000 boot disk that loads and displays all the drives and how I can delete partitions etc.
However, it is now saying that no drives are connected and even in BIOS it is saying no drives connected. I plugged in my old drive which I know works and it has not detected that either. I think I might have damaged my motherboard. I don't know, any ideas? If not, perhaps I should start thinking about how taking it into a specialist. So annoyed about that drive, if it has damaged my motherboard, IBM are going to be sorry. Not quite sure what to do now...

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#25
November 27, 2007 at 11:36:34

I doubt you have damaged anything. Calm down and we will get you though this.

Are you connecting the harddrives by themselves? When doing so the jumpers need to be set differently. The 180GB has Master alone and Master with slave settings. The first diagram for the 16 heads is Master alone, the 4th diagram for 16 heads is Master with slave on the same cable. If there are'nt two devices on the cable then you would use Master alone.

Your problem may be the service pack on your Win2000 CD. If it is an older version, which is the most common, then you can't even use it to partition and format the 180 because the drive is larger than 127GB. The solution is to use another method. Do you have a floppy drive in this computer? Download a Win98SE boot disk from the site linked below. Unzip and install to a 3.5" floppy disk and boot to the floppy. Partition your 180 harddrive to say 30GB and make that primary partition active. That is all done right in Fdisk. Make suer to use large disk support. DO NOT partition the remainder of the 180GB at this time.

Now boot to the Win2000 CD and format the 30GB partition and install Win2000. Install the MBoard chipset drivers and network, sound, etc. Install SP4 from the MSoft site as linked below. You also need to Enable bigLBA as indicated on the third linked site. You did state the 180GB drive shows correctly in the BIOS at times?

http://bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/windows200...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/303013


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#26
November 27, 2007 at 11:59:24

Hi.
No I havent seen it boot up properly at all yet. But if this is all true why then when I try and install my old hard drive does it still not identify it?

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#27
November 27, 2007 at 12:12:35

You have changed jumpers on both drives, haven't you? Watch the POST screens at startup to see which drives, if any are be configured. Reseat the IDE cables and don't forget to connect power to the drives.

You never presented any specifications for your computer. Boot into the BIOS screens and verify that all four IDE drive listings are set to autodetect. I am assumming your computer is fairly new if you are considering running Vista on it.

Try resetting everything as it was originally, without the 180GB connected or powered and see if the computer boots for you then. Watch the screens at startup.


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#28
November 27, 2007 at 12:58:55

I did that and it said that NO IDE CONNECTED in the slave and maser on the hard disks. The dvd & cd drives are set correctly. My pc used to running vista before my old hard drive sort of stopped working, files kept on getting corrupt so i have wanted to install a new one. Not sure what to do. I will have a go at sticking the 180GB drive into a caddy and try and format/check capacity on the drive.

Joseph


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#29
November 27, 2007 at 14:05:04

The original connections did not include the 180GB drive. Put things back that way. Post your system specs or model number.

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#30
November 27, 2007 at 14:08:31

kk... i will obtain em now

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