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Good amount of thermal paste?

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Name: was55amg
Date: October 16, 2005 at 09:07:33 Pacific
OS: Win XP Pro
CPU/Ram: P4 2.8GHZ 1024MB
Comment:

Hello,

i'm about to build myself a computer for the first time. Now, the operation that stresses me the most, is making sure i've put the good amount of thermal paste between the cpu and heatsink. How do you know?

Any tips welcomed.

Thanks!



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Response Number 1
Name: blackbill
Date: October 16, 2005 at 09:18:14 Pacific
Reply:

Do not put excess amounts of grease on... it only squeezes out and makes a mess. The grease is to fill in microscopic imperfections in the mating surfaces so there are no air spaces...nothing more. A thin uniform layer on both surfaces prior to mating will do just fine.


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Response Number 2
Name: ham30
Date: October 16, 2005 at 09:19:31 Pacific
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http://www.neoseeker.com/Hardware/faqs/kb/5,61.html


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Response Number 3
Name: PC Bob
Date: October 16, 2005 at 09:25:11 Pacific
Reply:

The 'right' amount' is pretty small, indeed.

You need to apply just enough to fill in the microscopic holes and scratches in the two metal surfaces. In that vein, apply it only to the actual metal of the top surface of the CPU chip. It does not cover the entire heatsink. This paste is composed of, usually, a silicone grease with fine metal partcles (usually zink, sometimes silver) dispersed through out. The metal is what does the trick for heat transfer, not the grease. Grease is a heat insulator. I have seen it globbed on so thick there was no way for the heat to get through. What you want is a very thin layer, evenly applied. Aside from that, I think you are on your own. If it's necessary to take the heatsink apart, use alcohol to remove the old layer and reapply when reassembling it. It is very easy to get too much, but too little would be not be as bad. If there is coverage, you should be ok. Over time, according to AMD, the heating and cooling cycles will cause it to migrate away from the header. They recommend the stick-on patches, for that reason. These are easy to use but messy to get off, and also must be changed if you take it apart.


I hope this answers your question. And good luck.

Bob :)

After all is said and done, there's a whole lot more said than done.


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Response Number 4
Name: jam
Date: October 16, 2005 at 09:33:58 Pacific
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The size of the dab of paste needed is usually described as the size of a BB or a grain of rice...as PC Bob put it, "The 'right' amount' is pretty small, indeed"

Regardless of the type of paste used, you won't find better instructions than these:

http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_instructions.htm

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Response Number 5
Name: name
Date: October 16, 2005 at 10:36:00 Pacific
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""The metal is what does the trick for heat transfer, not the grease. Grease is a heat insulator.""


That is absolutely NOT true. In older electronics devices, for years, before all this "Arctic Silver" and whatever came along, thermal transfer goo was used FOR YEARS precisely BECAUSE IT WAS AN ELECTRICAL INSULATOR.

In my mind, having a thermanl transfer medium which is a conductor is not very good engineering.

With the actual size of today's processor chip exposed, the amount of goo is about 1/2 of a drop of water--or less.


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Response Number 6
Name: Mechanix2Go
Date: October 16, 2005 at 12:19:19 Pacific
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Hi name,

Well, I was willing to let it pass, but.

I believe that grease is used to conduct the heat.

Silicone is used because it's a high temp grease.

Most greases are not great electrical conductors.

No high voltage in a PC. In a high power radar the PFN [pulse forming network] is usually filled with oil for insulation. Typically ~ 100KV. Same goes for the cathode of the RF amp.


If at first you don't succeed, you're about average.

M2


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Response Number 7
Name: was55amg
Date: October 16, 2005 at 17:23:44 Pacific
Reply:

wow guys, exellent i really have a better understanding now, thanks ;-)


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Response Number 8
Name: name
Date: October 17, 2005 at 09:40:38 Pacific
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Actually, the oil in HV circuits IS for heat transfer, as well as insulation. That is certainly what every transformer in every power station in this country uses for cooling.

By the way, I spent 6 yrs in the US Navy maintaining RADAR gear.

the point I was trying to make, is that earlier versions of heat conductive paste did NOT have any metal or conductivity, but yet was still designed to conduct heat from the device WITHOUT any danger of shorting the circuit.

Not so with modern some "Arctic Silver" products. You would not want to use it on a relatively HV power transistor, for example a 40V RF transistor, with the heat sink at DC ground.


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Response Number 9
Name: Mechanix2Go
Date: October 18, 2005 at 03:07:53 Pacific
Reply:

Hi name,

Yeah silver is a good conductor ir heat and current.

Any of these?

AN/SPS-39A
AN/SPS-48C
AN/SPW-2
AN/APS-20


If at first you don't succeed, you're about average.

M2


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Response Number 10
Name: PC Bob
Date: October 18, 2005 at 19:12:08 Pacific
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Hey Mechanix2Go, how about (I think it was) an FPS49? I was on the old Galveston CLG3, anyway. It's been a long time, now. We put 'er out of commission in May of '70.

Yeah, we used a lot of high voltage insulating oil, too. Also a lot of thermal paste, which had, at that time, zinc oxide for the heat transfer. The grease was more to keep it in place than any sort of insulating. In a high heat area it really gets messy! Basically, I just spread a little on my finger tip and use it to spread it over the surface that needs it, thinly.

Bob

After all is said and done, there's a whole lot more said than done.


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Response Number 11
Name: Mechanix2Go
Date: October 19, 2005 at 00:31:18 Pacific
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Hi Bob,

If you mean the director for TALOS, It's the AN/SPG-49. Those were monsters.

I was on the Galveston from 11/64 ~ 3/69.


If at first you don't succeed, you're about average.

M2


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