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Name: gpp
Date: October 21, 2008 at 18:00:02 Pacific
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What's the cheapest way to backup and save files on your PC? I want to back up about 3 gig of files as cheap as possible. Only have a CD burner, and it'll take too long to burn a bunch of those. So, flash drives seem like a good option. Any reason not to use one... or is there a cheaper option?



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Response Number 1
Name: aegis
Date: October 21, 2008 at 18:51:30 Pacific
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I say replace your CD drive with a RW DVD drive and use DVDs. There's an initial expense for the drive, but the advantages of more reliable and flexible optical storage make the expense worth it.


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Response Number 2
Name: jefro
Date: October 21, 2008 at 19:20:07 Pacific
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You should compress the files with maybe 7zip or even ntbackup. That 3G might be way less to somewhat less.

Normally a hard drive per Gig is less. If you only need the 3G a flash is hard to beat right now. What like $7?

"Best Practices", Event viewer, host file, perfmon, antivirus, anti-spyware, Live CD's, backups, are in my top 10


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Response Number 3
Name: wanderer
Date: October 21, 2008 at 20:01:46 Pacific
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Golly gee guess I need to come by the hardware forums once in awhile.

There is storage media and transfer media.

Floppy disks and usb sticks are examples of transfer media. They are prone to media failure. Usb is prone to mechanical failure.

Tape, DVD, CDR are examples of storage media. They last a long time and are not prone to either media or mechanical failure.

A hard drive falls inbetween. It is prone to both media and mechanical failure but the length of time of those failure are between the rates of transfer media and storage media.

Should you store backups on transfer media?
Only if you don't care about the data long term. Long term being defined as now and into the future for 10 years.

Transfer media can fail at any time. I know of an exec that thought he was keeping his docs secure by keeping them on a usb stick he could keep with him. After 2 yrs it died. He almost lost his job due to his own stupidity. Nothing was backed up.

As previously recommended DVD's are the way to go. Anything less can't be considered a backup from my point of view.


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Response Number 4
Name: OtheHill
Date: October 21, 2008 at 20:06:47 Pacific
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Just to add to the above. One other advantage of optical media is that you can duplicate the backups very quickly and cheaply for even more security.


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Response Number 5
Name: wanderer
Date: October 22, 2008 at 09:22:30 Pacific
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Got this as a PM from Point of View. I have condensed it for viewing

"From point-o-view 23:54:05 10/21/2008 (reply).Re: hardware, ID:53416, Response:3

I have been building PC rigs for myself and others for well over 12 years, early hard drives were noisey, slow and sometimes unreliable.

However, that has all changed now with modern technology comes better engineering with hard drives becoming more and more reliable over the past 3 years especially.! Maxator, Samsung, Seagate, Hitachi Deskstar, and my personal favourite Western Digital,(Raid)(Sata)(Sata2)etc.

Please never post a blog saying hard drives are unreliable, (rubbish) and the cds and dvds are better, also you went on the say backup to cds + dvds are more reliable for backups than USB FLASH STICKS & Hard Drives where are you getting all this rubbish from??

I used to burn backups of important files on to high quality dual-L dvds, latter finding out that when I went to load the odd backed up dvd it just would not work, but was fully operational when it was 1st burnt to dvd-dual-L 8 months before.! -
regards,
POV

My reply:

Never said drives were unreliable. You need to re-read my post.

Do you recall MFM and ESDI drives? I do. Have you been responsible for your corporations terabytes of data for years? I have.

Why do you think raided systems exist? It's to make up for drive failure. DVD/Tape can have media failure. Drives can have media AND mechanical failure.

POV writes "also you went on the say backup to cds + dvds are more reliable for backups than USB FLASH STICKS & Hard Drives where are you getting all this rubbish from?? "

Industry standards POV which you do not appear to be aware of.

heres a link, though I disagree concerning usb sticks which if you google failed usb drives and the exec example I gave before prove they are not long term devices. I have had them fail.

http://www.zdnet.com.au/reviews/har...

POV I have worked for Symantec and Hyundai. At Hyundai I supported Dec Alpha servers. These are servers the size of refigeratators. I have worked with everything from a 8086 to them. Having supported mom and pop businesses to large corporations, I know exactly what I am talking about. Experience rules!

Have a nice day.

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Response Number 6
Name: UpAndComing
Date: October 22, 2008 at 11:46:28 Pacific
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yeah a stack of media (tape, CD, DVD) can sit on your shelf for decades and be fine, as long as you still have hardware capable of reading it.

no professional corporate IT department should think that their data is secure and reliable on flash media. mine sure doesn't, nor do our business partners, vendors, or annual IT auditors.

Hard Drives ARE unreliable - they are one of the only pieces left in a PC that has moving parts. these moving parts are susceptible to mechanical failure, while the data is still also vulnerable to the corruption that threatens newer technologies ("transport media" if you want).

All that being said, here's a personal experience - I accidentally ran a USB thumb drive through the washing machine. I was still able to read the data from it after it came back out.


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Response Number 7
Name: UpAndComing
Date: October 22, 2008 at 11:57:31 Pacific
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i need to post more - i just posted and stepped up a level and re-read the subject of this thread.

someone is looking for the cheapest way possible to protect their data?

your backup should be plan B anyway. Do you really want to find yourself in a situation where you're already past plan A (like your PC is fried), only to find out then that you got what you paid for with your thrifty backup solution?

that's like using the cheapest doctor you can find, or the cheapest parachute, medicine, car brakes, whatever.


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Response Number 8
Name: Paul Stobbart
Date: October 22, 2008 at 15:21:12 Pacific
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i use my 80gb ipod (in disk mode) it works as an extra HDD (basically because it is) but i dont use it all that often (only when re-install for example). The only problem i have personally come across is the time it can take for transfer, but this isnt too far from the time of transferring to optical medium. It isnt my favourite way of having a backup, but until i can get my hard disk running again (hopefully) i have no other option

hope this suggestion could be of help to someone. If you dont have an ipod, sorry to waste time, but my opinion is people who have the space waiting on their ipod generaly overlook using it as temporary backup drive


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Response Number 9
Name: OtheHill
Date: October 22, 2008 at 15:47:50 Pacific
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I would just add that IMHO hard drives are NOT more dependable in the last three years. I think the failure rate is greater than say ten years ago. I currently have a 320GB WD IDE drive that I am RMAing under warranty.

Look at the comments on the newegg.com site concerning DOA and premature failure hard drives.

One thing can be said, the cost per MB has fallen to a fraction of what it used to be. The drives are also faster. They are not dependable enough to rely on them as you only copy of the data.

They are still much more expensive as an archiving method. The only advantages are speed and flexibility.

IMHO optical disks are more dependable than hard drives of any type. Assuming you verify the data after creation they should keep for a long time. Additionally, you can burn multiple copies and store at least one off site. To do that using a hard drive can get expensive.

Doesn't do you much good to have an external drive setting next to the computer when a robber makes off with the whole mess. Or you have a fire or flood and haven't stored offsite. Get a box at the bank and store backups of software and personal files there. Then you can use the external for short term backup without much risk.

edit

Here is an active thread as an example of DOA.

http://www.computing.net/answers/wi...


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Response Number 10
Name: gpp
Date: October 22, 2008 at 16:54:05 Pacific
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I should have added that they are mostly jpegs from a digital camera, and are not super important... but I would like to keep them around. Actually, the reason this came up is that I want to reformat my computer. I downloaded some update from Microsoft, and now it runs like crap.. I mean crappier than before. So, I was just thinking that a flash drive might kill two birds with one stone on this one. Just wanted to see if anyone had any thoughts on the reliability of a flash drive. Also, I really have no intentions of buying a dvd burner, and cds don't really seem any more reliable than any thing else.


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Response Number 11
Name: wanderer
Date: October 22, 2008 at 19:03:58 Pacific
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I can read cdr in my dvd-rw drive I burned 6 years ago.
I also have washed a memory stick and still had it work. I had to smile at that one UpAndComing :-)

I have also had a strickly office one and one minute it worked and the next it was unreadable. Hadn't been moved. I was pissed since it contains some file I hadn't backed up [just goes to remind you of the importance]

Hey if the data is replacable or not important a flash drive is fine. I just wouldn't store my financials on one as the only copy.

The great thing in this discussion is we are talking about backup. Too many out there don't understand the importance of backups. Glad all you do!

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Response Number 12
Name: gpp
Date: October 23, 2008 at 17:22:20 Pacific
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All this talk of making sure data is backed up has made me want to go a step further. I am going to use a flash drive as a backup, but I'm also going to burn to CD as well. This way I'll have it all in 3 places. The HD when I load it all back onto my laptop, the flash drive, and a 2nd copy on CD as well.

Thanks for all the advice.


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