Solved ECS livermore 945 GCT-HM picking video card..

September 29, 2011 at 14:23:03
Specs: Windows 7, DDR 2 5.3 GHz installed
I have the hp6019h. The motherboard is the ECS Livermore 945GCT-HM. The power supply is 250 watts. The cpu is the original. The only thing I've added is RAM. It's 2 GB. Now, 2 part question. Knowing that my board has PCI express x16 v. 1, could somebody recommend a GPU for HD Gaming that isn't more than my system needs? I know that PCIX 2, is backwards compatible but it seems buying one like that would be an overkill. The second question is, even though my MOBO says 2 GB is the maximum RAM that I can run, can I go up to 4 GB's? Was 2 GB an operating system limitation and now that I run windows 7, can I go up to 4 GB?

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September 29, 2011 at 16:39:17
A power supply is based on it's size basically. If you have a mini tower you will need a smaller psu. If it's a standard size case, you would look for an ATX power supply. They're all internal. The new psu's have all the connections on you need to power the card. For what you need, I might suggest the Radeon 4650 which draws it's power from the pci-e slot without the need for a separate cable. If you're going to upgrade the psu, look at power supplies that have a single 12 volt rail like the Corsair line. I'll include some links, so you can get an idea.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...



#1
September 29, 2011 at 14:24:33
By the way, I'm not looking to upgrade my power supply. I'm trying to justify my spending to the wife...We'll also want to use this as a media center, not just gaming.

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#2
September 29, 2011 at 14:34:18
Look at response #8 from this thread
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Other-...

E8500 | 4GB | 320GB | 9800 GT 1GB @ 720/990 | HP w1907 @ 1440 x 900 60Hz| Win7 Ultimate SP1 x64


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#3
September 29, 2011 at 15:02:09
Okay, is there a way you could answer my specific questions? I'm not trying to sound unappreciative but I've been researching this for some time now. Also, you made no reference to my RAM limitations. Again, I appreciate your effort but I've been to a million forums regarding this and every time, I get an answer like this that's a year old. Is that literally as good as it gets for this junk OEM? I know the advancements that are being made with GPU's and I also limited what you could respond by saying that I'm not interested in buying a card that's PCI X 2.0. Like I said, I know it's backwards compatible but isn't that overkill because my system will never be able to utilize the speed of 2.0?

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#4
September 29, 2011 at 15:27:10
Your motherboard will only support 2 gigs of ram, so that has nothing to do with the os. As far as a video card upgrade goes, a 250 watt psu isn't going to cut it. I don't know enough about the older cards to make a suggestion, but maybe someone in here will. Hang on.

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#5
September 29, 2011 at 15:33:09
Okay so if I wanted to upgrade my power supply, I've never done it, are power supplies universal? Or is there an external power supply specifically for a graphics card?

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#6
September 29, 2011 at 16:36:08
For starters, you haven't listed the model number of your system & I have no idea what hp6019h is supposed to be? The Livermore-​GL6 was used in several different HP & Compaq models. It's not a good base for a modern gaming machine. It only supports 2GB RAM which really isn't much these days, especially for gaming with Win7. And if your CPU is a Pentium 4, that makes things even worse.

PCIe x16 1.x vs PCIe x16 2.0 is a non-issue. 2.0 cards are more plentiful, perform better & are backwards compatible with 1.x, so there's no reason not to get one. However, the 250W PSU is a deterrent to getting a decent gaming card. You need to consider if spending $100-150 to upgrade an outdated system is worthwhile.


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September 29, 2011 at 16:39:17
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A power supply is based on it's size basically. If you have a mini tower you will need a smaller psu. If it's a standard size case, you would look for an ATX power supply. They're all internal. The new psu's have all the connections on you need to power the card. For what you need, I might suggest the Radeon 4650 which draws it's power from the pci-e slot without the need for a separate cable. If you're going to upgrade the psu, look at power supplies that have a single 12 volt rail like the Corsair line. I'll include some links, so you can get an idea.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...


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#8
September 29, 2011 at 19:44:51
hp6019h is the model number. Google it or I guess I could search for the link if you need it. I also stated that I knew of the backwards compatibility. I just don't want to get one if, hear me out, my computer will never be able to maximize its ability. Now, if I have no option then that's fine. That's why I'm here. I've been sifting through forums nonstop trying to get an answer.

Yes, the CPU is a pentium 4 (socket 775) but I will be upgrading to a core 2 duo if that's the best one for my MOBO. As far as gaming is concerned, I'm perfectly fine with not buying a $1500 graphics card. I'm not that serious about gaming. The only reason that I said "HD" is because I wanted someone to suggest something that would be good, not amazing! My bad if I mislead you.

Now, as far as upgrading a 3 year old computer, I'm fine with the money because of what I want to do with it. I'm mostly going to use it as a media hub in my living room instead of my PS3. I put a TV tuner card in it awhile back so I'd like it to be an all-in-one sort of thing. I've already installed a bluray burner that somebody gave me because they thought it was shot so I'm almost there but my onboard piece of crap graphics chip can't keep up with it when watching movies and there's considerable lag with burning. So, I guess, is the core 2 duo as good as it gets for this MOBO?

I will be building my next computer specifically for future upgrades soon but for now, I know exactly what I want to do with this one. I'm just having a hard time finding the BEST graphics card for this MOBO. Anyway, this is neither here nor there but, in my computer diagnostics class last semester, we installed SSD's into old pieces of crap school computers to benchmark the difference and the performance of the old machine rivaled that of a nice mid grade modern machine so I'll be installing something cheap-ish.


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#9
September 29, 2011 at 19:47:42
Hey thanks grasshopper! Like I said, I've never done it because I'm scared of electricity...hahaha....

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#10
September 30, 2011 at 05:40:49
"hp6019h is the model number"

Model number of what? It's not the board model, it's not the system model. And I did google it - 4 hits, one of them being this thread.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hp6019h

I'm guessing what you have is an HP Pavilion Media Center a6019h?

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsuppor...

"I'm perfectly fine with not buying a $1500 graphics card"

There is no graphics card that sells for that much anyway.

What you're going to end up doing is throwing good money after bad. The motherboard sucks, it's based on an outdated Intel chipset & only supports 2GB memory. You're going to end up spending about $100 for a CPU, $50 or more for a decent power supply, & $50 or more for a lower end gaming card. That's $200 invested in a system that's probably not worth $75. I suggest you just keep it as-is & either build or buy a modern gaming machine.


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#11
September 30, 2011 at 09:28:10
riider, I know what you're saying but you're missing my point. It's not about how much this computer is worth or how much I'm going to be spending. I'm going to do this. Bottom line. The main reason is so I can move it from my bedroom where it is now to the living room and make it a family computer/entertainment hub/low end gaming center. I've already stated that I have a PS3 so as far as gaming is concerned that's my go to. If I could rival that, somehow, then I could move my PS3 to my bedroom and keep my kids' sticky little fingers off of it.

Now, when you tell me that I should keep it as is, that doesn't make sense for me because of what my intentions are. I basically just want to maximize this crappy OEM for my family. I will be building soon but the funds are tight. If I had a thousand dollars right now, I wouldn't even be asking these questions. I'd be asking about unlocking cores of the i5...haha.

Please don't get so hung up on what you think is best for me. That's why I don't usually register at forums. People that want to tell me specifically why not to do what I know I'm going to do. I already know that it doesn't make sense from a gamer's perspective to put money into this crappy MOBO but that's not the point. The point is, I came here looking for answers to questions that I'm tired of looking through multiple forums for. All I want is specific answers so that I can spend the least amount of money possible and still get the best performance out of this machine.

So, knowing that you are correct about the HP Pavilion Media Center a6019h, I should apologize for not giving the exact info but I did tell you the mobo so I figured that was enough really.

Please answer these questions:
1. Is the core 2 duo (conroe) as good as it gets for the ECS Livermore 945GCT-HM?
2. Once I've changed the cpu, can you recommend the best graphics card for my specific needs that will not be an overkill for my new processor yet will help me when handling HD images from an antenna/cable since I have a tuner card installed?


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#12
September 30, 2011 at 12:31:51
1. forget the cpu. You won't see any difference.
2. Upgrade the power supply and the graphics as i suggested in post # 7. You can always use the psu and card in a new build, so you're not wasting money.

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#13
September 30, 2011 at 17:01:17
The difference in benchmarks from my CPU to the core 2 duo is enough to make me want to change it but since I don't really have a great understanding of modern graphics cards, I'll trust you. Modern graphics cards bypass the memory and the cpu, right? That's where I get confused. What do you think about adding a SSD? Will that improve my performance also? I mean, when we did that last semester, it was pretty amazing to me the way it benchmarked afterwards but because benchmarking was new to me at the time, I'm not sure what all the SSD really did. This is beside the point but I have a source that I can get an SSD much cheaper than most. It's hot...hahaha, no not really. A friend of mine buys systems from the government and schools and whatnot and he flips them to the general public.

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#14
September 30, 2011 at 17:04:35
I hope I didn't just lock this board by setting the best answer.

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#15
October 1, 2011 at 06:59:23
You didn't lock it. I wouldn't use an ssd drive yet. For what you say you want to do, the hard drive speed wouldn't matter. The video card memory has nothing to do with system memory. The memory on the card is used by the gpu itself.

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