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Name: rich.bradshaw
Date: November 13, 2006 at 01:53:59 Pacific
OS: Windows XP SP2
CPU/Ram: Athlon 2600+, 512 Mb
Product: emachines
Comment:

When I power on my computer everything sounds fine, lights come on, fan spins etc, but nothing is happening on the monitor.

I changed monitors. Still nothing. Monitor works with other PC.

I have the computer on my LAN, so I waited for it to boot into Windows so I could try pinging it to see if it is up. It's not. So, it's not booting into Windows.

Again, there is nothing happening on the screen, and there are no beeps or anything to suggest a hardware failure - I guess that it isn't even getting to the BIOS.

I took hard drive out of faulty PC and put into another PC, that works fine, and I was able to copy all the files onto another PC.

What do I do now? What can I try to fix it? Nothing unusual has happened to it, this happened literally overnight... Could it be the PSU? Would that make sense if there obviously is power?

There are no scorch marks or anything on the motherboard, and all cables seem to be correctly plugged in.

Please Help!

Rich



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Response Number 1
Name: street1
Date: November 13, 2006 at 02:39:00 Pacific
Reply:

Least expensive is..............

Reset BIOS to defaults using jumper or, removing CMOS battery for a few minutes.

Perhaps installing new CMOS battery.


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Response Number 2
Name: AlwaysWillingToLearn
Date: November 13, 2006 at 07:41:09 Pacific
Reply:

this happen to me too, turned out the PSU was faulty try to test another psu on that machine...


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Response Number 3
Name: rich.bradshaw
Date: November 13, 2006 at 09:01:57 Pacific
Reply:

I tried removing CMOS battery, but hasn't worked. Is it likely to be the PSU, even though it is still powering up? Can the PSU deliver the incorrect amount of power or something?

Can I swap my Dell PSU into my emachines computer just like that, or would I need to buy a new one? I don't want to fry the motherboard!


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Response Number 4
Name: AlwaysWillingToLearn
Date: November 13, 2006 at 10:02:09 Pacific
Reply:

it shouldnt fry the computer, not my knowledge anyway, and yes sometimes the psu become faulty and do not supply enough power to boot the computer fully. hopefully someone should be able to clarify wheather or not the dell psu will fry your emachine or not, but to my knowledge it shouldnt,



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Response Number 5
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: November 13, 2006 at 19:07:07 Pacific
Reply:

Another dead EMachines computer. You're not alone - see response 1 in this:
http://www.computing.net/hardware/w...


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Response Number 6
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: November 13, 2006 at 20:23:38 Pacific
Reply:

See this if you want to investigate whether to get a new mboard if you need to:
http://www.computing.net/hardware/w...

If you can tell us the exact model number, I may be able to find out which mboard you need.


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Response Number 7
Name: rich.bradshaw
Date: November 16, 2006 at 03:42:14 Pacific
Reply:

OK, when all my coursework has been done and handed in, I will swap over the PSUs and see if thats the problem... hopefully, I am getting tired of having to share my computer with my fiancee already!


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Response Number 8
Name: rich.bradshaw
Date: November 16, 2006 at 13:58:58 Pacific
Reply:

Right, swapped over my Dell PSU into the emachines... didn't make any difference. Put it back into the Dell, and that one works again thank God!

What do I try now?

Thanks for your help!


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Response Number 9
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: November 16, 2006 at 16:07:24 Pacific
Reply:

A small number of Dell PSs are wired in a proprietary way - if you have such a PS, it will not work for a mboard designed to use a standard PS, which is probably the case for your EMachines computer, and you may damage both the PS and the other mboard. The colors of each of the wires at the 20 positions in the main connector from the PS must be the same at the same positions, and some positions must have two wires that are the same.

In other cases I've heard of with EMachines computers, it was the mboard that was damaged by the power supply failing, and they were able to get the computer going again by replacing both power supply and mboard, but there's no guarantee that's what's wrong with your computer - if you can take the cpu someplace and have it tested, that's advisable. Usually the ram is not damaged by the power supply failing, but floppy drives, cd drives, and cards in the slots might be - you can test all of the latter in another computer, but if the ram doesn't work in another mboard, that doesn't necessarily prove it's bad - it must be compatible with the other mboard - in the worst cases the computer will not boot if it is incompatible with the other mboard - in not so bad cases it will work but not be recognized as its proper size.

If you supply the exact model of your EMachines computer, I can probably find out which mboard you have, and you can use that info to search for a replacement mboard if you're so inclined.


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Response Number 10
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: November 16, 2006 at 16:18:47 Pacific
Reply:

By the way, the hard drive is very unlikely to be damaged physically by the power supply failing, but it might have some corrupted data on it.
Here's how to check your hard drive.
See the latter part of response 1 in this:
http://www.computing.net/windows95/...

If the hard drive is okay and you want to use it in another computer without losing the data on it, see the latter part of this to get an idea of what's involved:
http://www.computing.net/hardware/w...


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Response Number 11
Name: rich.bradshaw
Date: November 16, 2006 at 23:57:15 Pacific
Reply:

The drives all seem fine, I wired it all together to get the data off onto my Dell, so it's ok from that point of view... My Dell PSU looks the same, same ratings on it, and checked wire colours etc... it did power the fan and lcds etc, but no boot as before. I think I might have to just ditch it - we can't really afford a whole new motherboard etc. Might have to wait for another day... At least we still have another PC!

It is an eMachines 610, with an AMD Athlon Sempron.

Thanks a lot!


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Response Number 12
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: November 20, 2006 at 22:11:54 Pacific
Reply:

your mboard is MS-6777
which is usually also listed as a
MSI K7N2GM-L

I found this by searching for: K7N2GM-L motherboard:

This one probably has a MSI bios - if it does you can flash it with a Emachines bios version if you must (see below for the update) -
One here: 14.99 so far - 5 days left - bid on it!
http://cgi.ebay.com/MSI-K7N2G-L-SOC...
.....

I found these by searching for: MS-6777 610
These probably all have an Emachines bios version:

One here - $99 - for "610 Media Center" and others
http://www.skyline-eng.com/catalog/...

Two here - get a quote
http://www.pinnaclemicro.com/dcat.c...

Two here - get a quote - look for ms-6777 - same ones?
http://www.l7inc.us/part_MS6
........

eMachines 610 Mboard: MS-6777 CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2600+ 2.13 GHz
http://www.emachine-upgraders.info/...

Case manual - Nexgen - here:
http://www.emachine-upgraders.info/...

Apparently it's an Emachines UK model only.
Emachines UK
http://uk.emachines.com/
Zero info about Emachines 610 there, or about most older models. Stink!
......

Emachines US has a lot more info about older models, but have nothing about this one.
http://www.emachines.com
etower 600 series is all Celerons
.....

OEM Model #'s
MS-6777
Part #'s
100468

MSI™ K7N2GM Series
• K7N2GM-L (Onboard 10/100 LAN) (or K7N2GML)
• K7N2GM-IL (Onboard IEEE 1394, 10/100 LAN)(with firewire)

(there is only one overall mboard version, Ver. 1; it may or may not have firewire on it)

Processor
• Supports Socket A for AMD® Athlon™/Athlon™ XP/Duron™ processors @FSB 100/133/166
• Supports 600MHz up to Athlon™ XP 2700+ processor or higher
Chipset
• nVIDIA® nForce2 IGP Chipset
- Supports DDR266/333 with internal graphic core, DDR266/333/400 with external add-on card
- Supports external AGP 8X/4X
- Integrated TV encoder
Memory
• Supports four memory banks using two 184-pin DDR DIMMs
• Supports up to 2GB PC3200/2700/2100/1600 DDR SDRAMs
• Supports both 64-bit and 128-bit DDR SDRAM
........

"Firewire chipset is VIA VT6306."
MSI site says it's VIA 6308 - may vary.

Unofficial info about the mboard:
http://www.emachine-upgraders.info/...

Drivers and Bios update there - if you get a mboard with a MSI bios, you can flash the bios with the Emachines version if you have to (you may not have to).

Marketing Name K7N2GM-L
Model Name MS-6777

Mboard manual here - MS-6777
http://www.elhvb.com/mboards/OEM/eM...
......

MSI support for K7N2GM-L
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/suppo...

Manual, lots of bios versions, drivers, other downloads, support info, etc.
.....

Specs both versions mentioned here - with and without firewire
• K7N2GM-L
[Onboard 10/100 LAN]

• K7N2GM-IL
[Onboard IEEE 1394, 10/100 LAN]

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/produ...
.....

Review:
http://www.firingsquad.com/hw/122/M...



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Response Number 13
Name: rich.bradshaw
Date: November 21, 2006 at 01:01:42 Pacific
Reply:

Thank's a alot. I'm in the UK, think the one on eBay might only ship in the US... I'll check around though. How did you find out that that was the right mobo?

Thanks!


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Response Number 14
Name: Tubesandwires
Date: November 21, 2006 at 08:53:54 Pacific
Reply:

You may have the best chances of eventually finding an exact replcement mboard with an emachines bios version on ebay UK, since yours is a UK system model. But one with the MSI bios version is the same mboard, plus or minus the firewire.

"How did you find out that that was the right mobo?"

It all started out when I was researching Trigem mboards used in other brand name computers.
I discovered Trigem mboards are used in many name brand computers in their el-cheapo models - HP and Compaq for sure, probably others, and often the same mboards are also used in emachines systems. When you search for info about those Trigem mboards, you often get hits about them on third party sites about emachines systems.
Apparently emachines has never been very good about revealing a lot of info about their systems and what actual mboards are in them, and the info they do have about older systems eventually disappears from their web sites - because of that there are various third party sites that saw a need to retain the info about older systems and to provide more info about the systems in general.
Many of the emachines systems have Trigem mboards, made by a major Korean manufacturer. In fact, many emachines systems are actually Trigem systems in emachines branded cases (they may be the same cases as Trigem uses) with an English bios on the mboard, or whatever language where they are sold, and software in a suitable language. The info for Trigem mboards disappearing is especially frustrating because the parent Trigem web site probably has support for current and older mboards but it's only in Korean!
Having found these third party sites about emachines systems, I found they also have info about what mboards they have in them, including those that don't use Trigem mboards.

In this case, the make and model of mboard is obvious when you look at the mboard. In the case of Trigem mboards, it isn't as obvious.


NOTE that they are probably more choices on the web as to where to get a different bios version of the emachines bios than just the one on the emachines-upgraders site, if you happen to get a mboard with a MSI bios and you want to use an emachines bios version.

MSI makes mboard versions with or without a socket that the bios chip is installed in - in this case going by the pictures the bios chip (see the large yellow dot in the pictures of the mboard) is soldered directly to the mboard and cannot be removed and replaced, at least not without a lot of expertise, so in this case if you were to flash the bios and the bios chip physically failed, it would not be worth the money and trouble to replace the bios chip. These cheap flash chips can only be flashed an unpredictable small number of times.



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