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Dell 3000 Video Card Upgrade

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Name: Cessna
Date: June 9, 2005 at 01:08:11 Pacific
OS: WinXP
CPU/Ram: 512
Comment:

I just bought my wife a Dell 3000, 512 RAM, 3.0 Ghz, 800 FSB and the video card is very poor in it. She is trying to run Trainz Simulator on it and the picture is very poor. Flight Simulator FS2004 is even worse. I realize now I should have done more research before I bought this Dell. I have searched this forum for video card update suggestions but the post are years old. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can get a quality video card in this machine and if so what could I buy?

Very disapointed,
Cessna



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Response Number 1
Name: Rimfire
Date: June 9, 2005 at 02:35:43 Pacific
Reply:

If I understand the feature set of the Dell Dimension 3000, you are right to be disappointed. This computer uses the Intel extreme onboard graphics and does not include an AGP (or PCIe) slot.

This means to only way to upgrade the graphics is to add a PCI video card. Whether or not you could get a better video card is very open to debate.

One thing that might be worth trying is increase the amount of ram that is dedicated to the video card. You will find this setting in bios. Just keep in mind that the more you give to the graphics processor, the less that is available for other processes. At least you have the option to add more ram.


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Response Number 2
Name: Bryco
Date: June 9, 2005 at 04:30:45 Pacific
Reply:

"the picture is very poor."

Are you saying that the graphics device does not provide enough speed to run the games or that the image itself is not up to expectations?

I would expect the current graphic device to provide enough speed to run the games.

But, an Analog monitor may be the culpret and source of your disappointment. If so, then you may want to experiment with the available resolutions to see which may provide the best image. The higher resolution the better the quality.

It is a shame that Dell does not add PCI Express slots until the 4700 series and I am surprised they don't at least include an AGP slot.

The Dell systems as advertised are nicely priced but you do need to properly determine what you want before making a purchase.
I bought one in late February. I could have gotten one for as low as $299 but when it was done I spent $1,280.
I don't use it for gaming.
I got a good price for what I got.

Regards
Bryan


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Response Number 3
Name: Bryco
Date: June 9, 2005 at 05:09:31 Pacific
Reply:

Also, go to Start, Run, dxdiag, Display tab to see how much memory is allocated for the video. According to Dell's site it is adjustable from 32-64MB.

If at 64 then that's all you got but if it is at 32MB then there is room for adjustment there. Look in C:\DELL\DOCS\MANUAL to find out how to adjust it.

Regards,
Bryan


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Response Number 4
Name: Cessna
Date: June 9, 2005 at 10:03:53 Pacific
Reply:

Rimfire,

From what I can see from Dxdiag is this video card has 96.0 MB of RAM. And I will definately be adding another 1000MB very shortly.

Bryco....The quality of the graphics is poor, looks like there is too much color or contrast and I have tried to lessen them somewhat with very little improvement. Her monitor is a E173FP LCD. The Frames Per Second rate is marginal, just enough to keep the trains from jittering/jumping but barely. Any amount of scenery in the background and she is in trouble.

So from what you guys have indicated it looks like I don't have anymore options other than adding system RAM. I will be looking in the bios before the day is out to see what is left available for the video card if any.

I thank you both very much,

Cessna


Display Devices
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Card name: Intel(R) 82865G Graphics Controller
Manufacturer: Intel Corporation
Chip type: Intel(R) 82865G Graphics Controller
DAC type: Internal
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2572&SUBSYS_019D1028&REV_02
Display Memory: 96.0 MB
Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
Driver Name: ialmrnt5.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.4020 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 1/23/2005 17:56:00, 37951 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: ialmnt5.sys
Mini VDD Date: 1/23/2005 18:05:06, 804317 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B78E66-6632-11CF-2C7C-9721A3C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x8086
Device ID: 0x2572
SubSys ID: 0x019D1028
Revision ID: 0x0002
Revision ID: 0x0002
Video Accel:
Deinterlace Caps: n/a
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Not Available
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run


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Response Number 5
Name: Bryco
Date: June 9, 2005 at 12:14:31 Pacific
Reply:

You might want to try going to Start, Control Panel, Performance and Maintenance, System, Advanced, Performance, Settings button to see if you can tweak it from there. Alos look on the Advanced tab there.

Bryan


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Response Number 6
Name: pheonix991
Date: June 9, 2005 at 13:05:19 Pacific
Reply:

if you do decide to upgrade the video card, this is possibly the best card you will find that is pci.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814140041

then, there is the cheaper card that most pci video card people have. i usually tell people to stay away from the 5200's but here is one, it should run your wife's games fine.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150040

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Audigy 2 ZS<b


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Response Number 7
Name: Rimfire
Date: June 9, 2005 at 14:31:41 Pacific
Reply:

I would have thought that 96 MB was too much to dedicate to onboard graphics. 32 or 64 are more common settings.

Do you have a crt monitor you could try? LCD displays are not the best choice for gaming.

You have reduced your colour settings? lower settings will increase contrast. You need them to be at 16 bit or higher for the games you listed. (Right click the desktop, chose properties, settings tab).

Intel Extreme graphics are usually considered adequate for all but the most demanding of games.


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Response Number 8
Name: Cessna
Date: June 9, 2005 at 16:30:14 Pacific
Reply:

Pheonix991...are you saying that the video card you mentioned can be installed in her Dell 3000? If so that would be wonderful. At least it's something that I could try out, even if I was disatisfied with it the price is reasonable.
I downloaded the latest drivers for the onboard video card and they were identical to what was already on there so that got me nowhere fast.
Rimfire....no I haven't changed the color settings at all. I did experiment somewhat but returned everything back to default with its "Auto" feature.
And no, I haven't tried my CRT monitor but I will very shortly just to see the difference.
I can't thank you people enough for the help. It is much appreciated.

Cessna


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